PNC 6/20/12

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Agenda PNC MEETING

06/20/2012 18:00h PST

IRC: irc.pirateirc.net

Room: #pnc

Wiki: [http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/20/12 http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/20/12]

Attendees

Members of the PNC

participating:
- Zacqary Adam Green, NY
- Bradley Hall, Florida
- Jeff Talada, Washington
- Jarod, GA
- Erik Zoltan Massachusetts
- Jake Ziering, CA

excused:

unexcused: 
- Oklahoma
- Oregon

At Large Members of the PNC

Sacha, Michigan

Others

Proceedings

Meeting opened at: 9:08pm EST by Travis McCrea
Meeting closed at: 10:49pm EST by Travis McCrea
Meeting chaired by Travis McCrea
Secretary for this meeting is QuazarGuy
Quorum is established. 6 Members out of 8 present
Logging Enabled: Yes

Review of previous minutes

http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/13/12

Reports

Short report of the board members

Massachusetts

has a consensus to offer a VPN service to its members

Oklahoma

absent

Washington

have an ideal place to recruit from
- also good for holding meetings and conventions

Oregon

absent

Georgia

nothing to report

Florida

nothing to report

New York

postponed the rehearsal for the Pirate Choir protest
recruiting participants from Anon and Reddit
- also Occupy
Josh Lafazan (18 year old school board member) isn't going to be available till August but is still interested in talking with us

California

getting our delegate in order for the convention in San Diego
there's a convention on the free trade agreement that Mr. Simon flew from Australia asked us to be a part of
trying to find an event planner in the Bay Area that can help us with a few ideas for this summer
were part of an interview a few days ago with the Huffington Post
The Daily Dot article is also going to be coming out shortly
- they're going to do a follow up at the convention in San Diego
  - first week of July
radio interview with KFBK in Sacramento
trying to get host some public debates, and perhaps a anti-copyright concert

Short Report From Committees

IT Committee

LiquidFeedback not implemented
ConsiderIt not implemented, maybe not possible to implement
State sign up progress (http://paste2.org/p/2057179 )
- Colorado hit threshold for sign-ups and we should expect their presence

Progress on Temporary PNC Objectives

motion to extend deadline by one week
- 3 for, at-large (.5) for

Speaker and Promotions

Travis is moving back to Idaho and plans on helping out the US

Jeff Replacement Secretary

Lindsay will stand in next week

AOB

Wiki
Promotions committee
Policy committee
What to do with newbies
Pirate Party Picnic
- Considering July 21

Next meeting: 6/27/12 at 9:00pm EST

Meeting closed: at 10:49 pm EST

Logs

<@teamcoltra> I officially call this meeting to order, at 6:08PM (18:08) PST
<@teamcoltra> Can I get a roll call please
<@teamcoltra> (name, state)
<Zacqary> Zacqary Adam Green, NY
<Rush> Bradley Hall, Florida
<QuazarGuy> Jeff Talada, Washington
<@teamcoltra> We don't actually have quorum
<@kusanagi> Liz Brunner, NY
<@teamcoltra> kusanagi who is representing NY
<QuazarGuy> teamcoltra, can you unlock the pad?

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<@teamcoltra> Done
<@kusanagi> Zac is the rep now
<erixoltan> sorry to be late
<@teamcoltra> It's alright
<@kusanagi> !deop

>>> ChanServ sets mode -o kusanagi

<@teamcoltra> !voice Zacqary

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v Zacqary

<@teamcoltra> !voice Rush

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v Rush

<@teamcoltra> !voice QuazarGuy

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v QuazarGuy

<@teamcoltra> !voice erixoltan

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v erixoltan

<Sacha> Sacha, Michigan, observer?
<kusanagi> Actual name, no?
<@teamcoltra> the PNC didn't actually agree to that
<@teamcoltra> I just made a suggestion
<@teamcoltra> no one adopted it as a motion
<jarod_> Jarod GA
<@teamcoltra> There that gives us actual quorum
<@teamcoltra> !voice jarod_

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<+erixoltan> Erik Zoltan Massachusetts

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<@teamcoltra> JakeZ you are representing California tonight?
<JakeZ> yes I am
<@teamcoltra> You need to tell us your name (and reaffirm you represent california)
<JakeZ> Jake Ziering
<@teamcoltra> :) Thanks
<JakeZ> President California Pirate Party
<@teamcoltra> !voice JakeZ

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v JakeZ

<@teamcoltra> And welcome to our meeting :)
<+JakeZ> thankyou
<Sacha> No, using real names goes against the pirate party. If you are suggesting that.
<kusanagi> No, it does not.
<+Zacqary> How about we discuss that during the designated part of the meeting where we discuss things like that?
<@teamcoltra> There is no pirate party in the world that uses screennames in their meeting
<+Zacqary> So as not to derail the meeting.
<@teamcoltra> (on a national level at least)
<@teamcoltra> Zacqary fair enough, right now there has been no motion against it anyway
<@teamcoltra> Let's start with minutes of last week
<@teamcoltra> (Link: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/06/12)http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/06/12
<@teamcoltra> if everyone can read and agree that they are accurate
<+QuazarGuy> it's the wrong week
<Sacha> Yes, it does Kusanagi. Should we add it to the AOB for everyone to discuss it
<+erixoltan> lmao QuazarGuy is right
<+QuazarGuy> (Link: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/13/12)http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/13/12
<@teamcoltra> :) Thanks QuazarGuy
<@teamcoltra> Time flys when you are having fun
<+QuazarGuy> I need a replacement
<+QuazarGuy> this meeting is preventing me from recruiting
<@teamcoltra> QuazarGuy right now? or in general?
<+QuazarGuy> in general
<+QuazarGuy> can discuss at the end
<@teamcoltra> Has everyone read last weeks minutes?
<Sacha> QuazarGuy you are one of the officers though. Can y ou really like quit.
<+QuazarGuy> I said I would need to be replaced soon
<+QuazarGuy> when we voted on it
<kusanagi> Sacha: knock it off.
<@teamcoltra> Okay order guys. The topic is last weeks agenda
<+QuazarGuy> I looks fine to me
<+erixoltan> agenda looks good to me.
<+Zacqary> I wasn't there. kusanagi, this one's on you.
<kusanagi> Looks good to me
<+erixoltan> sorry I meant to say "minutes" not agenda.
<@teamcoltra> Okay we will go onto reports, if anyone has an objection to it later just say something
<@teamcoltra> erixoltan you are up first
<+erixoltan> I may have to leave early for personal reasons.
<+erixoltan> Massachusetts voted last week to move our weekly IRC meeting from Tuesday to Thursday.
<+erixoltan> For that reason we haven't met since the last PNC meeting. So this will be a short report.
<+erixoltan> On the agenda for Thursday is how to offer VPN to our members. We have a consensus to offer it, but we have to work out the details.
<+erixoltan> That's really all I have for Mass.
<@teamcoltra> Thank you erixoltan
<@teamcoltra> Oklahoma isn't here
<@teamcoltra> Washington, QuazarGuy
<+QuazarGuy> everyone in Washington is busy with work or life, I have an ideal place to recruit from but they meet on Wednesdays during this time and I'm the only free enough person to do it
<+QuazarGuy> we're also considering that same place to hold physical meetings and conventions
<+QuazarGuy> so not that much
<+QuazarGuy> done
<@teamcoltra> THanks, that's cool that you guys are looking into that
<@teamcoltra> Oregon is not here correct?
<+QuazarGuy> correct
<@teamcoltra> Okay next then
<@teamcoltra> Georgia from jarod_ / Jarod
<+jarod_> no changes
<@teamcoltra> Florida / Rush ? He may not be here
<@teamcoltra> Okay next
<@teamcoltra> New York from Zacqary
<+Zacqary> We postponed the rehearsal for the Pirate Choir protest to this Saturday. That's when we'll decide which day to do the action itself.
<+Zacqary> We're recruiting participants from Anon and Reddit.
<+Zacqary> Maybe some from Occupy.
<+Zacqary> Ideally they'd all want to get involved with the party afterwards.
<+Zacqary> Josh Lafazan isn't going to be available till August but is still interested in talking with us.
<+Zacqary> Otherwise, I don't think there's anything else to report. kusanagi, am I missing anything?
<@teamcoltra> (Josh is the 18 year old School Board member)
<kusanagi> That's everything I knew of
<+Zacqary> Okay. So that's it, then.
<+Rush> I can give Florida's report when ready
<@teamcoltra> Rush go ahead
<+Rush> Florida has nothing to report.
<kusanagi> LOL
<@teamcoltra> :) Glad we didn't miss that
<+Rush> lol
<@teamcoltra> Presenting for the first time (I believe) to the PNC as a member: California
<@teamcoltra> JakeZ please tell us what you guys have been up to for hte past couple of weeks
<@teamcoltra> (or last one week really)
<+QuazarGuy> we already have their past couple weeks before this week
<@teamcoltra> Yeah that's why I corrected myself :P
<@teamcoltra> buuuuuuuut JakeZ doesn't seem to be around... or he is writing a text wall
<grabby> (I am also here from California, I was late so I missed the initial Rollcall, JakeZ might be writing a textwall though)
<+JakeZ> sorry was in bathroom!
<+JakeZ> California has been getting our delegate in order for the convention in San Diego
<+JakeZ> there's a convention on the free trade agreement that Mr. Simon Frew from Australia asked us to be a part of
<+JakeZ> Beyond that we're trying to find an event planner in the Bay Area that can help us with a few ideas for this summer
<+JakeZ> we're trying to get host some public debates, and perhaps a anti-copyright concert
<@teamcoltra> (psst mention your interviews)
<+JakeZ> hah, that's right. We were part of an interview a few days ago with the Huffington Post
<+JakeZ> The Daily Dot article is also going to be coming out shortly
<+JakeZ> or rather, that one is out
<+JakeZ> they're going to do a follow up at the convention in San Diego
<+JakeZ> which is the firts week in July
<@teamcoltra> (psst and the radio interview ;) )
<+JakeZ> I think we might have mentioned that last week
<+JakeZ> but it was with KFBK in Sacramento
<+JakeZ> I think that covers it :-)
@teamcoltra looks at the rest of the pirate parties in shame
<+Zacqary> Hey, we've been getting interviewed. D:
<@teamcoltra> I am just teasing. You are all special
<+Zacqary> *<4
<+Zacqary> **<3
<@teamcoltra> Speaking of special - matuck are you around?
<kusanagi> Hahaah
<@teamcoltra> IT Committee
<matuck> barely
<@teamcoltra> What kind of awesome things have you done?
<matuck> ummmm... slept... changed baby... handed to wife to feed and repeat again...
<kusanagi> Awww
<@teamcoltra> Ummm so no IT Committee stuff then :P
<matuck> no
<+QuazarGuy> what's the current state of the site?
<+QuazarGuy> what's implemented? what's not?
<matuck> the only thing i know thats not implemented is LF
<@teamcoltra> I would suggest covering topics 6 and 7 and AOB before 5 if you guys don't mind... because 5 usually drowns out the rest of the meeting
<+QuazarGuy> you have considerit working?
<@teamcoltra> (whoops sorry, I pressed enter while pre-typing)
<+erixoltan> I forgot to mention that Massachusetts Pirate Party is having a hackathon July 1 to get liquid feedback implemented on our site.
<matuck> and considerit... i probably won't get considerit working we have been unable to get a ruby app working after trying multiple different apps
<@teamcoltra> too late erixoltan , now you have to say it next week
<@teamcoltra> ;)
<+erixoltan> matuck jogged my memory
<kusanagi> erixoltan: that is awesome
<+QuazarGuy> cool
<+QuazarGuy> can't think of anything else
<+QuazarGuy> next week could we have an estimate of how many people have signed up in different states?
<@teamcoltra> also matuck can you update California to be a full member state
<matuck> sure
<+JakeZ> thankyou
<@teamcoltra> Okay so thats all for IT Committee... Actually this is where we should insert our new committee --
<@teamcoltra> The PNC 2.0 committee
<Sacha> Okay, I need to go now. Sorry to interrupt. Would it be okay if I sent my AOB stuff to the SAB list
<@teamcoltra> Sacha yes
<Sacha> wait, nvm I want to stay for this. After that I need to go though. Please continue. Sorry.
<@teamcoltra> Zacqary
<@teamcoltra> Have you guys accomplished anything as of the last week?
<+Zacqary> I was on vacation when the committee was formed so I haven't been in touch with anyone yet.
<@teamcoltra> So are you guys going to need to extend your deadline, which I believe is next week
<+Zacqary> I think we COULD do it by then, but it might be a good idea to push it forward.
<@teamcoltra> How much time would you request?

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<+Zacqary> One more week?
<+QuazarGuy> I motion to extend the deadline for the PNC proposal by one week
<@teamcoltra> There is a motion on the floor:
<@teamcoltra> I motion to extend the deadline for the PNC proposal by one week = Seconds?

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<erixoltan> whoops
<@teamcoltra> erixoltan would you second: motion to extend the deadline for the PNC proposal by one week
<+QuazarGuy> JakeZ, jarod_, Rush, Zacqary
<@teamcoltra> (not putting you on the spot, just you didn't see it)
<+Zacqary> I can second it, right?

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<@teamcoltra> Yes
<+jarod_> 2nd it
<+Rush> What
<+Zacqary> Okay. So I do.
<@teamcoltra> okay so do we need to debate or just vote?
<+QuazarGuy> there is a motion to extend the PNC deadline by a week
<+QuazarGuy> two weeks from now
<+QuazarGuy> jarod 2nded
<@teamcoltra> Okay well considering no one is discussing I will put it up to vote
<@teamcoltra> All in favour of motion to extend the deadline for the PNC proposal by one week -- say aye, against say nay
<+Rush> I second
<+Rush> aye
<Sacha> aye
<+Zacqary> Aye
<+QuazarGuy> aye

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<@teamcoltra> !voice erixoltan

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v erixoltan

<@teamcoltra> annd calling the vote
<+QuazarGuy> 3.5 for
<@teamcoltra> It passes. So the PNC will now continue to operate for 2 more weeks in it's current form.
<+erixoltan> aye
<+erixoltan> sorry
<@teamcoltra> Did the PNC itself need to discuss anything more on this topic, or are we differing all progress to the committee?
<+QuazarGuy> they haven't done anything
<+QuazarGuy> does the committee need anything?
<@teamcoltra> Exactly, my question is, is there anything that the PNC feels it needs to do on this agenda item before we move on
<+Zacqary> Well, first of all, I'd like to know who besides me is on it. Sorry that I wasn't in the loop last week.
<+erixoltan> I am on the committee. Brady is as well and we have one other person who volunteered and whose name escapes me.
<@teamcoltra> You are co-chaired by brady
<@teamcoltra> Dan
<@teamcoltra> or Dave... I think it's Dan
<+QuazarGuy> Brady
<+Zacqary> Okay. So Brady, Erik, and Dan?
<+erixoltan> I have an email from I believe an additional person who wanted to be on - can't remember exactly the name though.
<+Zacqary> Sacha expressed interest in being involved.
+QuazarGuy IT committee state sign up progress report ((Link: http://paste2.org/p/2057179)http://paste2.org/p/2057179)
<+Zacqary> And wait, the minutes from last week say Brad was running for chair. Is he on the committee too?
<+QuazarGuy> Rush, if you're on the PNC committee give your contact info to Zacqary
<+Rush> I have no idea what committee I'm on
<+Zacqary> Hooooly clusterfuck, Batman.
<+Rush> I forgot
<+QuazarGuy> to make the bylaws and such

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<+erixoltan> Zacqary, the other person is Chris Walsh of Massachusetts.
<+Zacqary> Okay. So the committee consists of Me, Erik, Chris Walsh, Brady, Dan, and...who else?
<+QuazarGuy> you can do this outside the meeting I think
<+Zacqary> Okay.
<+QuazarGuy> to save us time
<+Zacqary> I know what I'm doing, you guys, totally. I swear. :D
<+Zacqary> >.>
<+erixoltan> If there are other people, and since the existence of the PNC hinges on this, I think it would be relevant.
<@teamcoltra> So are we moving on or contenuing ?
<+Zacqary> I think we can move on. I'll duct-tape this committee together.
<+erixoltan> np
<@teamcoltra> I added the next topic myself, if a state wouldn't mind giving me the floor I have some good (?) news

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<+Zacqary> Motion to give teamcoltra the floor
<+erixoltan> second
<@teamcoltra> If anyone objects at any point please say so, and I will gladly open up a formal vote
<@teamcoltra> Okay, so I have decided that I am going to move back to the United States, something I swore I wouldn't do -- due to the legal threat I face by living in teh country. However, the US Pirate Party needs much more help than the Pirate Party of Canada
<@teamcoltra> and as such I am going to be moving back, and engaging state parties (and assisting in the formation of a Pirate Party of Idaho) and going to be doing speaking events
<@teamcoltra> That said, I am a great canvasser, I am comfortable with public speaking events, and so if any state would like my presence to help them with getting their state going as a full time dedicated person I just need my travel covered and a couch to sleep on.
<+erixoltan> wow that is big news!
<+QuazarGuy> welcome back Travis
<kusanagi> Wow
<@teamcoltra> Also if you have any local schools (high school / college) and you would like to have me do a speaking engagement
<+QuazarGuy> sort of feel sorry for you
<+Zacqary> That's really brave of you, Trav.
<@teamcoltra> I can do that

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<+JakeZ> come this fall, I could try to find you a place to stay in San Francisco
<@teamcoltra> (plus if the highschool / college will pay my trip.. then you are off the hook) I specialize in the importance of civic duties and engaging youth in politics. I also do other speaking events which we can discuss later, but I can basically talk on anything technology / pirate / copyright
<@teamcoltra> Thats all, thanks guys :)
<+QuazarGuy> WA is going to abuse you Travis
<@teamcoltra> QuazarGuy I was thinking since I live 30 minutes away from Spokane, I would help build up your Eastern team
<+QuazarGuy> sure thing
<+QuazarGuy> I've been wanting to drive out there
<+QuazarGuy> but lets move on
<@teamcoltra> Indeed
<@teamcoltra> So self serving, as moving on is a discussion about Jeff
<@teamcoltra> ;)
<@teamcoltra> Jeff would like to step down as secretary of the PNC
<+QuazarGuy> oh you were 6?
<@teamcoltra> (it seems)
<+QuazarGuy> ok
<+QuazarGuy> so before we voted on secretary I announced that I'd need to be replaced around this time
<+QuazarGuy> should we take candidates and vote next week?
<@teamcoltra> QuazarGuy the PNC officials will need to be revoted in 2 weeks
<@teamcoltra> (if I understand the rules properly)
<kusanagi> I believe so.
<+QuazarGuy> ok well I'd like a week to train the next person then
<@teamcoltra> What I am saying is if we elect a new person
<@teamcoltra> they will have 1 week
<+QuazarGuy> ah
<@teamcoltra> then have to be reelected
<@teamcoltra> :P
<+QuazarGuy> right and the obligations will be rewritten
<kusanagi> Well, I could do both positions, sort of.
<@teamcoltra> QuazarGuy would you settle on having someone stand in for you instead?
<+QuazarGuy> yeah
<@teamcoltra> Like, keep your title, but have an alternate... in which case we don't need to appoint them, just fine one :)
<@teamcoltra> find*
<+QuazarGuy> sure
<+QuazarGuy> unfortunately, Brady can't
<+QuazarGuy> is anyone willing to stand in for me next week?
<@teamcoltra> They also don't have to be in this body, they can be anyone
<+QuazarGuy> anyone not already allowed to speak may say they're willing
<kusanagi> Would the position require a lot of typing?
<+QuazarGuy> I mostly copy/paste
<kusanagi> I could do that.
<@teamcoltra> Okay so on to Any Other Business?
<+QuazarGuy> what's with the wiki?
<+QuazarGuy> thanks kusi
<kusanagi> No prob
<kusanagi> Sacha was compaining in #uspp before the meeting
<kusanagi> About how the wiki is and the Tuesday meetings are
<kusanagi> I believe she said something aout bringing this to the sab
<+QuazarGuy> ok?
<kusanagi> Yeah
<kusanagi> Haha
<+QuazarGuy> so we'll do that in email then
<+erixoltan> no choice
<+QuazarGuy> promotions committee?
<kusanagi> Yeah
<+QuazarGuy> that too?
<kusanagi> Something like that
<+QuazarGuy> everything in purple Sachas?
<kusanagi> Yep
<+QuazarGuy> lol ok
<+QuazarGuy> so Mass and WA held a Pirate Party Picnic last year on the same day in July
<@teamcoltra> How did they turn out?

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<+QuazarGuy> at least 15 people came for WA
<+QuazarGuy> Mass had a better turn out I think
<+QuazarGuy> everyone had fun
<+QuazarGuy> but I think it would be great to turn this into a national convention type event
<+erixoltan> I was not actively involved at the time of the Mass event.
<+QuazarGuy> I think it would also be awesome if Pirates from all the states could communicate with Pirates from other states at the event

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<+QuazarGuy> like a google+ hangout or something
<kusanagi> Hmm
<+QuazarGuy> any other states interested?
<+JakeZ> that sounds like a great idea
<kusanagi> It does!
<+JakeZ> google+ limits to 9 people

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<+QuazarGuy> last year we did like July 20thish
<+JakeZ> so the structure could be a bit awkward