PNC 8/2/20

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Discuss brining in old/new state/territory/district parties.


Biannual report filed for DC cooperative association





  • Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice chair
  • jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts, Party Secretary
  • Bosun: Joseph Thomas Klein USPP Chair Wisconsin
  • Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Treasurer, Massachusetts


  • kusanagi: Lindsay-Anne Gorski, NY
  • yari: Rose Klein, California
  • HIPP: Esme Dudoit


  • Bosun filed the Biannual report for the DC cooperative association. Fee was $180.
    • Bosun will get the next date filing
  • Discussion of moving SAB to mailman on our hosting provider
  • Discussion of forming an outreach group
    • decide who will lead it
    • ask for them to meet and report back in a week
  • Discussion of HIPP past actions
    • jokeefe offered a motion to table this discussion until all involved parties can discuss the issues raised and come to a resolution on it;
    • motion passed
  • meeting adjourned


Record of the meeting


[9:01pm] Bosun: Please identify.
[9:01pm] kusanagi: Lindsay-Anne Gorski, NY
[9:02pm] yari: Rose Klein, California
[9:02pm] Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice chair
[9:02pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts, Party Secretary
[9:02pm] Bosun: Joseph Thomas Klein USPP Chair Wisconsin
[9:02pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Treasurer, Massachusetts
[9:04pm] Bosun: OK,
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Good to text everyone
[9:04pm] Joe: ^
[9:04pm] Sayyida: hahaha
[9:05pm] Sayyida: a full house!!
[9:05pm] Bosun: Let's discuss states recognition and admission criteria.
[9:05pm] Bosun: This was outlined in the bylaws.
[9:06pm] kusanagi: yep
[9:06pm] kusanagi: From what I understand things have changed in the past few years?
[9:06pm] Bosun: Rose will be working on getting CAPP back on its feet.
[9:07pm] Bosun: No, not really.
[9:07pm] kusanagi: oh.
[9:07pm] kusanagi: Awesome to hear Rose!
[9:08pm] Bosun: IMHO MA is really the cleanest in terms of good standing.
[9:09pm] kusanagi: AS they've always been.
[9:09pm] jokeefe: we try
[9:09pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[9:09pm] jokeefe: need more states and local organizers
[9:09pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:09pm] Joe: There is no try, there is only do.
[9:10pm] Bosun: BTW We (WIPP) covered the biannual DC report filing. We did not need financials.
[9:10pm] jokeefe: good to hear.
[9:10pm] Joe: However, Bosun has made plenty of inkind so WI is in good standing as well.
[9:10pm] jokeefe: we should set our own due date in advance of any filing gov. requirements
[9:11pm] Joe: Sorry for the delay, I had a hellish week.
[9:11pm] Joe: I will still get those to you anyways Bosun
[9:11pm] Bosun: I am guilty of filing 24 hours before the dead in. The fee was 180 btw.
[9:12pm] jokeefe: that is a yearly fee?
[9:12pm] jokeefe: sorry
[9:12pm] jokeefe: I see every two years?
[9:13pm] HIPP joined the chat room.
[9:13pm] Bosun: well - I was late but before deadline of trouble and death, If I filed on the requested date it would have been 70.
[9:13pm] HIPP: Here sorry late
[9:14pm] kusanagi: HIPP, please id for the record
[9:14pm] HIPP: Esme Dudoit
[9:14pm] kusanagi: of Hawaii, I assume?
[9:14pm] Bosun: and ... state
[9:15pm] HIPP: Correct, Hawaii Pirate Party
[9:15pm] jokeefe: Thank you
[9:15pm] kusanagi: Thanks
[9:15pm] jokeefe: Boson: When is the next filing date?
[9:15pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[9:16pm] Bosun: I'll get back with that ... I'll post it to the list.
[9:16pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:16pm] jokeefe: thank you. just want to make sure we all are prepared for the next one
[9:16pm] Bosun: Speaking of which, Yari needs list approval.
[9:16pm] kusanagi: SAB list approval?
[9:16pm] yari: yep
[9:17pm] jokeefe:
[9:17pm] papegaai: Title: Subscribe to a Mailing List (at
[9:17pm] Joe: For the record, we have $165 available for use.
[9:17pm] Bosun: She said she neede moderator approval.
[9:17pm] Bosun: needed ..
[9:17pm] kusanagi: Okay, that's a minor issue - I don't have access to the list. Yes, my email is listed as admin, but any password resets don't come, which is really irritating
[9:18pm] jokeefe: DADA mail is weird.
[9:18pm] kusanagi: Clearly. lmao
[9:18pm] kusanagi: but I've tried for a bit of time now, and still no dice
[9:18pm] Bosun: I am a mailman man myself.
[9:19pm] jokeefe: which we need to move too.
[9:19pm] kusanagi: So it might be time to migrate to a new list?
[9:19pm] jokeefe: Yes
[9:19pm] kusanagi: I'm sad about losing the SAB, but not that sad.
[9:19pm] kusanagi: lol
[9:19pm] jokeefe: Will create one at our hosting provider
[9:19pm] Sayyida: hahaha well its life right?
[9:19pm] HIPP left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[9:19pm] HIPP joined the chat room.
[9:20pm] kusanagi: Yeah, sort of. It's a lot of history. But it'll be fine.
[9:20pm] kusanagi: For those using the gateway, consider looking into a stable IRC client
[9:20pm] kusanagi: hexChat is one I recommend
[9:21pm] jokeefe: yes, webclient has issues unfortunately
[9:21pm] kusanagi: So yeah, new mailing list is a thing y'all should handle
[9:21pm] Joe: On mobile, Daddy pirat3 duties
[9:21pm] Bosun: I hope that does not include who is in front of the keyboard.
[9:21pm] kusanagi: They make mobile IRC clients too! lol
[9:22pm] Joe: Thanks, I will look in to it.
[9:22pm] roarde: What's a good client for iphone, android?
[9:22pm] Bosun: Android and Apple
[9:22pm] kusanagi: AndIRC was good when I used it.
[9:22pm] kusanagi: roarde, identify for the record please
[9:22pm] HIPP: there’s mobile irc , joe
[9:22pm] kusanagi: AndIRC is Android, I don't have one for Apple
[9:23pm] roarde: Hi, I'm an interloper. I'll remember not to comment during meetings. For now, please forget I exist.
[9:23pm] HIPP: oh someone said that.
[9:23pm] jokeefe: Colloquy is pretty good for apple
[9:23pm] jokeefe: no worries roarde
[9:23pm] kusanagi: thank you roarde - don't mean to be a jerk, but rules are rules
[9:23pm] Bosun:
[9:23pm] papegaai: Title: — iOS IRC Clients (at
[9:24pm] yari: So - ... I know CA is not a member state and is still just an observer, but wondering if we might want to look into forming some sort of subcommittee for recruiting new states/members?
[9:24pm] jokeefe: an outreach committee would be good
[9:24pm] Sayyida: Section 2: State Eligibility
[9:24pm] Sayyida: In order to be eligible to send Representatives to the PNC, a state must:
[9:24pm] Sayyida: Be home to a Pirate Party which is actively attempting to grow.
[9:24pm] Sayyida: Adhere to the Core Values.
[9:24pm] Sayyida: Appoint one Primary Representative and at least one Alternate Representative, both of whom must be active members of the state’s Pirate Party.
[9:24pm] Sayyida: Regularly send a Representative to attend PNC meetings.
[9:25pm] Sayyida: Maintain an active web presence with an easy method of contact by prospective members.
[9:25pm] jokeefe: we have many people on our mailing list we need to reach out to
[9:25pm] HIPP: Great idea, yari
[9:25pm] Sayyida: Apply for Representation, as set forth in Art. III §3.
[9:25pm] Sayyida: Ratify the PNC Bylaws
[9:25pm] kusanagi: Honestly, most of the mailing list doesn't respond
[9:25pm] kusanagi: a lot of people who are no longer involved/wish to be involved are on it
[9:25pm] jokeefe: SAB mailing list or crew
[9:25pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:25pm] kusanagi: both, really.
[9:25pm] kusanagi: Crew is outdated at this point, iirc
[9:25pm] Bosun: Yes we need to cull our list.
[9:26pm] yari: That doesn't mean we should scrap it - but we should update it
[9:26pm] jokeefe: didn’t think we ever emailed crew.
[9:26pm] kusanagi: I did
[9:26pm] kusanagi: When I was working on that whole thing, emails were sent out
[9:26pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[9:26pm] kusanagi: No one really responded, but that's possibly because it went to spam
[9:26pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:26pm] Bosun: Yes it sends emails.
[9:26pm] HIPP: def update, yari
[9:26pm] kusanagi: yari, right, that's my hope for crew
[9:27pm] kusanagi: SAB honestly I wouldn't worry about
[9:27pm] kusanagi: But that would mean more SM management
[9:27pm] yari: Re: outreach, could we make a group now? Either way I'd like to be a part of it
[9:27pm] kusanagi: and more activity on those channels
[9:28pm] Bosun: Yep.
[9:28pm] jokeefe: We had have issues with running into spam filters
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Direct emails might work
[9:28pm] HIPP: i would like to help as well, yari
[9:28pm] kusanagi: That's possible
[9:28pm] HIPP: re: outreach
[9:29pm] yari: I feel like whichever group we create should have a person who is an actual voting member though as part of it
[9:29pm] Sayyida: motion for extention
[9:29pm] kusanagi: yari, that's a fair point and I agree.
[9:29pm] HIPP: agreed, yari
[9:29pm] Joe: Do we still have access to our email addresses from SAB?
[9:29pm] Sayyida: we have 1 minute left,
[9:29pm] Sayyida: are we going to extend?
[9:30pm] jokeefe: yes, Joe
[9:30pm] yari: Second?
[9:30pm] yari: Am I allowed to second?
[9:30pm] Joe: 2nd
[9:30pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[9:30pm] kusanagi: for this is fine
[9:30pm] kusanagi: i don't know how strict you keep it
[9:30pm] Sayyida: thanks jokeefe
[9:30pm] kusanagi: lopl
[9:30pm] Bosun: ok extend for 20?
[9:31pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:31pm] jokeefe: For the purpose of discussing the formation of an outreach group? aye
[9:31pm] Bosun: passes
[9:31pm] yari: lovely
[9:31pm] HIPP: great
[9:32pm] jokeefe: 1) form an outreach group?
[9:32pm] jokeefe: 2) decide who will lead it?
[9:32pm] jokeefe: 3) ask for them to meet and report back in a week?
[9:33pm] yari: Until we have enough members that all committees are formed of only voting members, I think all groups should have a voting member on them
[9:33pm] yari: Jokeefe - agreed on all points
[9:34pm] jokeefe: I am happy to participate, but since this is the forum to review the report and decide what to do, I am less worried about non-state reps. composing it.
[9:34pm] kusanagi: Currently, do we have recognition on CA and HI?
[9:34pm] jokeefe: the committee that is
[9:34pm] jokeefe: no
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[9:34pm] jokeefe: just people willing to organized and due stuff
[9:35pm] Joe: What f
[9:35pm] Bosun: do?
[9:35pm] HIPP: we’re here for you
[9:35pm] Joe: What states are currently recognized?
[9:35pm] yari: MA and WI
[9:35pm] kusanagi: Right, so unfortunately I have a concern about that.
[9:35pm] Joe: Sorry, baby on my face.
[9:35pm] Sayyida: lol baby face
[9:36pm] kusanagi: lol
[9:36pm] HIPP: lol
[9:36pm] Joe: I wish I was joking. 
[9:36pm] kusanagi: I assume anyone looking to come in would be familiar with our code of conduct
[9:36pm] Bosun: Yes
[9:36pm] kusanagi: Especially since it's on the site, the discord
[9:36pm] yari: Hopefully~
[9:36pm] Sayyida: the thing i wrote so yea id hope
[9:36pm] kusanagi: WE wrote.
[9:37pm] Bosun: We approved
[9:37pm] kusanagi: (and also borrowed from HOPE a bit)
[9:37pm] Sayyida: hahaha i know 
[9:37pm] kusanagi: lol
[9:37pm] Sayyida: oh yea we did just a "BIT"
[9:37pm] kusanagi: I have information that shows that Esme, HIPP, has a history of harassment, including of trans people
[9:38pm] HIPP: i was not aware I had such a history
[9:38pm] kusanagi: see here:
[9:38pm] kusanagi: Emma Best is trans, and in that tweet Esme deadnamed her.
[9:39pm] kusanagi: direct link to tweet
[9:39pm] Sayyida: HIPP, is there some explaination for this?
[9:40pm] Esme joined the chat room.
[9:40pm] kusanagi: There is also a history of threats and other harrassment
[9:40pm] HIPP left the chat room. (Quit:
[9:40pm] Sayyida: Esme, same question.
[9:40pm] kusanagi:
[9:40pm] kusanagi: For example
[9:40pm] Sayyida: is there an explaination?
[9:40pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[9:40pm] yari: Hangon ...
[9:40pm] Esme: I missed the question sorry
[9:40pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:41pm] Sayyida: is there an explaination of deadnaming someone?
[9:41pm] kusanagi: More recently, there was some attacks on Bailey Lemon, current PPI chair, but those tweets from Esme were deleted. You can still see the responses though
[9:42pm] Hawaii joined the chat room.
[9:42pm] Hawaii: Ok I’m back
[9:42pm] Sayyida: I am speechless
[9:42pm] Hawaii: can you please catch me up
[9:42pm] Hawaii: I can’t see the links
[9:42pm] kusanagi: You can see the thread here, with the tweets Bailey was replying to deleted, however, it shows they were in response to Esme:
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[9:43pm] Hawaii: I saw history of harassment of trans
[9:43pm] Hawaii: I was the victim of harassment
[9:43pm] kusanagi: Deadnaming is unacceptable here.
[9:44pm] Hawaii: I was a PPI admin and came in when it was new admins
[9:44pm] Sayyida: How? what I see in this list is deadnaming someone
[9:44pm] Sayyida: you were a ppi admin???/
[9:44pm] kusanagi: PPI doesn't matter here. USPP has never been a part of PPI.
[9:44pm] Hawaii: yes, I was a PPI contributor under ray as an admin
[9:44pm] Sayyida: why would you deadname someone?
[9:44pm] kusanagi: Threating to use a DDoS:
[9:45pm] Pirate_17609 joined the chat room.
[9:45pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[9:45pm] Sayyida: threatening to ddos? isn't that illegal?
[9:45pm] Sayyida: the act that is
[9:45pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:45pm] Pirate_17609: I was not threatening them it was a joking thread
[9:46pm] kusanagi: That is not a joke.
[9:46pm] Sayyida: NO
[9:46pm] Joe: I didn't see that as a threat of Ddos either.
[9:46pm] Pirate_17609: i did not dead name Emma. I left Twitter and did not know
[9:46pm] Hawaii left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[9:46pm] kusanagi: It's there. In the tweet. In parens.
[9:46pm] Pirate_17609: what they threatened to do to me was severe but it was taken jokingly
[9:46pm] jokeefe: Pirate_17609 - Please stop changing your handle. Pick one
[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: I’m trying to but I keep getting knocked off irc
[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: im sorry
[9:47pm] kusanagi: You cannot - especially as a public person - make jokes like that
[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: it’s Esme of HIPP
[9:47pm] jokeefe: thanks for clarifying
[9:47pm] kusanagi: It is flatly unacceptable.
[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: I understand ofc I would not do that now
[9:47pm] Sayyida: this was intended. you clearly had an issue with his person.
[9:48pm] Pirate_17609: i felt uncomfortable so I made a ddos joke
[9:48pm] kusanagi: That's not an excuse.
[9:48pm] Sayyida: thats not a "joke"
[9:48pm] Sayyida: there was no line up or joke abou tit
[9:48pm] Sayyida: about it*
[9:48pm] Pirate_17609: she was actually someone I once loved very much & was close to
[9:48pm] yari: Okay, um - the behavior listed is unacceptable, clearly.
[9:48pm] yari: But can we pause for a second
[9:48pm] Bosun: yes
[9:48pm] yari: please
[9:48pm] jokeefe: We aren’t going to get to the root of this issue in 2 minutes
[9:48pm] Pirate_17609: i can’t see the ddos thread but I would never ddos anyine
[9:48pm] yari: 2 minutes
[9:48pm] yari: Literally 2 minutes
[9:49pm] kusanagi: yari, go for it
[9:49pm] Pirate_17609: I’m still here
[9:49pm] yari: Okay so can we please table this for another time
[9:49pm] yari: Because this is important
[9:50pm] yari: because its not going to be resolved right now
[9:50pm] jokeefe: I agree
[9:50pm] yari: But we need to resolve it
[9:50pm] kusanagi: yeah, most assuredly
[9:50pm] yari: and also to give the rest of us
[9:50pm] yari: Time to read the stuff you've presented, kusanagi
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[9:50pm] kusanagi: absolutely
[9:50pm] yari: Because I didn't click on more than like - one link
[9:50pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:51pm] kusanagi: yeah, it's fine
[9:51pm] Pirate_17609: can anyone repost the links please?
[9:51pm] Pirate_17609: i would like to read them
[9:51pm] Bosun: Can we agree to come to a resolution next week?
[9:51pm] yari: bosun could you call for a motion to table
[9:51pm] kusanagi: Threating to use a DDoS:
[9:52pm] kusanagi: see here:
[9:52pm] Joe: Esme, the notes are always posted
[9:52pm] kusanagi: another post about Emma Best:
[9:52pm] yari: All of the meeting is posted to the website
[9:52pm] yari: Its public, that's why we identify
[9:52pm] Pirate_17609: Thank you.
[9:52pm] yari: Transparency - part of the pirate philosophy
[9:53pm] Pirate_17609: Emma Best was a close online friend
[9:53pm] Joe: ^
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[9:53pm] yari: We are over time
[9:54pm] kusanagi: And that makes it okay to harass her? Say her deadname? Claim she's using her ""transgender"" status?
[9:54pm] Pirate_66913 joined the chat room.
[9:54pm] Pirate_66913: <----Joe
[9:54pm] kusanagi: ty
[9:54pm] yari: We are over time
[9:54pm] kusanagi: We are
[9:54pm] kusanagi: WI, MA..
[9:54pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
[9:54pm] yari: Can we please get a motion to table
[9:54pm] jokeefe: Motion to table this discussion until all involved parties can discuss the issues raised and come to a resolution on it.
[9:55pm] yari: second
[9:55pm] Bosun: We jave a move to adjourn
[9:55pm] Pirate_66913: Bosun, can you moderate over email?
[9:55pm] kusanagi: Okay, cool.
[9:55pm] Pirate_66913: Motion to adjourn
[9:55pm] jokeefe: will vote for adjourn after vote for table
[9:55pm] HIPP joined the chat room.
[9:56pm] HIPP: That’s fine.
[9:56pm] Bosun: Only jokeefe and Sayyida are recognized for motions.
[9:56pm] HIPP: not the motion. The time taken to the examine my tweets
[9:56pm] Pirate_17609 left the chat room. (Quit:
[9:56pm] HIPP: esme Dudoit
[9:57pm] Sayyida: second motion to table
[9:57pm] Bosun: If we table we take it up next week.
[9:57pm] Pirate_66913: I am not Bosun?
[9:57pm] Bosun: vote to table?
[9:57pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:57pm] Bosun: vote please
[9:57pm] HIPP: I will be here next week
[9:57pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:57pm] Pirate_66913: Aye
[9:57pm] kusanagi: I'm not sure if I can be here next week, due to schedule, but I have a few things that should be looked over.
[9:58pm] Bosun: ok , chair will hear a motion to adjourn
[9:58pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
[9:58pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[9:58pm] Bosun: any objections?
[9:58pm] Pirate_66913: Motion to adjourn
[9:58pm] yari: Pirate_66913 we cannot vote or propose motions
[9:58pm] yari: We are observer states, not voting states
[9:58pm] kusanagi: yari, that's Joe O of MA
[9:58pm] Pirate_66913: I am the mass rep and Treasurer...
[9:58pm] jokeefe: no objections
[9:58pm] yari: OHHHH
[9:58pm] HIPP: im esme
[9:58pm] yari: My bad
[9:58pm] kusanagi: he didn't reID
[9:58pm] yari: AHHHH
[9:58pm] kusanagi: it happens
[9:58pm] yari: My bad
[9:58pm] kusanagi: you're goood
[9:59pm] jokeefe: freaking IRC
[9:59pm] yari: sorry
[9:59pm] kusanagi: I think we should also start making the move to discord
[9:59pm] kusanagi: because that's a bit more friendyl
[9:59pm] Bosun: ajourned, please post the minutes.