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[9:20pm] Bosun: OK .. Megan - last item. | [9:20pm] Bosun: OK .. Megan - last item. | ||
[9:20pm] Sayyida: Thank you | [9:20pm] Sayyida: Thank you | ||
| + | [9:21pm] Sayyida: I have an issue with Joe and that is not a secret. My issue is not with his actions as chair but with the feelings left when I was chair | ||
| + | [9:22pm] Sayyida: I felt manipulated, I voiced concern over johan and he stayed. I was advised to through a transational behaviour. | ||
| + | [9:22pm] Sayyida: then we had another woman who wanted to run for office, I said no. we voted no, yet she was only talking with joe | ||
| + | [9:23pm] Sayyida: the only way we could get johan out and save the party was to have a vote of no confidence | ||
| + | [9:23pm] Sayyida: I was sad because joe never got to lead in his own right | ||
| + | [9:24pm] Sayyida: however, the personal attacks over the SAB crossed a line and it was unprofessional | ||
| + | [9:24pm] Sayyida: i understand you had a really hard week personally | ||
| + | [9:24pm] Bosun: It is not good to have members sniping at each other. | ||
| + | [9:24pm] Sayyida: then the party blew up in a way that you were held accountable for transational friendships | ||
| + | [9:25pm] Sayyida: that took an emotional toll on you and I understand that it hurt | ||
| + | [9:25pm] Bosun: Do you mean transactional? | ||
| + | [9:25pm] Sayyida: yes, my writst is killing me and remembering spelling is hard | ||
| + | [9:26pm] Sayyida: being petty isn't how this party operates. | ||
| + | [9:26pm] Sayyida: I don't care what emotionally is going on with any of us, including me. when I am here, i am here and I try to think as logically as I can | ||
| + | [9:26pm] Sayyida: my disorder isn't to be used as a weapon ever again. | ||
| + | [9:27pm] Sayyida: we are here to make a better party and hopefully a better world | ||
| + | [9:28pm] Sayyida: supporting politics with "if they are useful they can stay" its not about what someone can do for you to be good policy | ||
| + | [9:28pm] Sayyida: its dangerous | ||
| + | [9:28pm] Joe: May I retort? | ||
| + | [9:28pm] Sayyida: the floor is yours | ||
| + | [9:28pm] Joe: First, I never attacked your mental well-being nor used it as a weapon. If it came across as that, then I am sorry | ||
| + | [9:30pm] Joe: That being stated. You were having challenges moving forward which is why I suggested that I lead the party. It was not my intent to rule with an iron fist or what not. That is why when the vote came through, I accepted the council. | ||
| + | [9:30pm] Bosun: You both sniped, no ax grinding please. | ||
| + | [9:31pm] Joe: That said, though I had my suspicions, I had no proof, nor the time to research. When you brought it forward, I had no defense for Johan and offered no excuse. | ||
| + | [9:31pm] Joe: I'm just giving my perspective. I have no malice and do seek to continue my duties so long as you will find me useful. | ||
| + | [9:32pm] Sayyida: a party divided is a weak party. | ||
| + | [9:32pm] Joe: As far as the other women, though I spoke to her directly to get a better understanding, where I left that conversation was that she still did not have official support of the party | ||
| + | [9:32pm] Sayyida: i forgive you for what you said over the SAB | ||
| + | [9:33pm] Joe: There is no divide except your feelings Sayyida, please let me finish since I showed you the respect to let you finish | ||
| + | [9:33pm] Bosun: Johan's proposals practically flashed con-man in red glowing letters. I too said nothing. | ||
| + | [9:33pm] Joe: I did take my dismissal personally which was my failing but I still gave up all authority without question. | ||
| + | [9:34pm] Joe: I never challenged any choice made by previous councils and agree with 99% of our policies | ||
| + | [9:35pm] Joe: That said, I did what I thought was best and to accuse me of profiteering from this was completely unacceptable and that is why I no longer consider you a friend Sayyida. | ||
| + | [9:36pm] Joe: If you took the time to understand me, as others have, then you would know that is not me. | ||
| + | [9:36pm] Bosun: I don't think she said that Joe. | ||
| + | [9:36pm] jokeefe: I am not sure what the point of this discussion is | ||
| + | [9:37pm] jokeefe: also we are overtime | ||
| + | [9:37pm] Sayyida: jokeefe: its about forgivness | ||
| + | [9:38pm] Bosun: Shall we adjourn then? | ||
| + | [9:38pm] Sayyida: if I may say one more thing? | ||
| + | [9:39pm] Bosun: Say it please and the move to adjourn | ||
| + | [9:39pm] jokeefe: Perhaps you two could talk it over and come to a resolution and find forgiveness? | ||
| + | [9:39pm] Bosun: then | ||
| + | [9:40pm] Sayyida: per CoC if Bosun is wiling to stay with Joe to finish this converstaion here that would be good with me | ||
| + | [9:41pm] Joe: I have to be up in 4 hours for work due to the storm, I am not up for this discussion anymore. | ||
| + | [9:41pm] Sayyida: understandable | ||
| + | [9:41pm] Sayyida: ill send an email | ||
| + | [9:41pm] Bosun: The let's adjourn. | ||
| + | [9:41pm] Sayyida: aye | ||
| + | [9:41pm] Joe: Motion to | ||
| + | [9:42pm] Joe: and aye | ||
| + | [9:42pm] jokeefe: aye | ||
| + | [9:42pm] jokeefe: will post notes | ||
| + | [9:42pm] Sayyida: good night | ||
| + | [9:42pm] Joe: Ty and gn | ||
| + | [9:42pm] Bosun: Good night. | ||
| + | |||
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Latest revision as of 21:42, 16 December 2019
Agenda
FYI
- P.O. Box reserved at the Chicago Loop Post Office 100 W Randolph 60601-3218
Discussions
- Request board support for NY multi-party protest of change for ballot status from 1% of Gov. Vote to 2% *basically doubling the bar to get on the ballot as a party*
- COC discussion (Sayyida/Megan)
- Suggested adjourn at 30 minutes.
Reports
None.
Decision
Attending
Summary
Minutes
Record of the meeting
[9:00pm] Bosun: OK time has come. [9:00pm] Bosun: Who do we have? [9:00pm] Sayyida: IDs please [9:00pm] Joe joined the chat room. [9:01pm] Sayyida: Megan Klein vice chair WI [9:01pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Secretary, MA [9:01pm] jokeefe: https://wiki.pirate-party.us/PNC_12/16/19 [9:01pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 12/16/19 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us) [9:01pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Treasurer, MA [9:01pm] jokeefe: ahoy [9:01pm] Joe: Ahoy [9:01pm] Bosun: Joseph T Klein, Chair, WI [9:01pm] Bosun: Joseph T. Klein, Chair, WI [9:02pm] Bosun: I repeat due to lag. [9:03pm] Bosun: FYI - I paid for a year for a very small PO Box at 60601 - Chicago - it will fit letters. [9:03pm] Sayyida: thank you [9:03pm] Joe: Awesome [9:03pm] jokeefe: thank you [9:04pm] Joe: What did it cost? [9:04pm] Joe: So I can mark it as an In-kind contribution [9:04pm] Bosun: Meg and I will go down and show are IDs and promise not to use it for bad things. - That will make it active. [9:05pm] jokeefe: ok. put it up on the website? [9:05pm] Joe: Motion to put on website? [9:05pm] Sayyida: second [9:06pm] Bosun: Not until we go down and finish the paperwork. [9:07pm] jokeefe: ok [9:07pm] Bosun: At that point I will add it to the website and wiki. [9:07pm] jokeefe: great [9:08pm] Sayyida: next item? [9:08pm] Bosun: I will send Joe a listing of my contributions including incorporation costs and P.O. Box [9:08pm] Joe: Thank you sir. [9:09pm] Bosun: NY Greens contacted us about support protest against NY raising the bar for ballot status. [9:10pm] jokeefe: how would they like us to help? [9:11pm] Bosun: With your permission, if agreed, we will draft a letter and send it to the appropriate NY office. [9:11pm] Joe: We could post a statement on twitter as well. [9:11pm] jokeefe: and the blog/FB page [9:11pm] Bosun: I have also asked what else we can do. [9:11pm] Joe: ^ [9:12pm] Bosun: We should make noise and protest. [9:12pm] Sayyida: yes [9:12pm] jokeefe: thanks for offering to write it Bosun. please send it to sab. will hopefully get suggestions for improvement, especially from NY [9:13pm] Bosun: Are. We agreed? [9:13pm] Joe: Aye [9:13pm] Sayyida: aye [9:13pm] jokeefe: sounds good [9:13pm] Bosun: OK - discuss on SAB [9:13pm] Bosun: content [9:14pm] Sayyida: half time [9:14pm] Bosun: Before I go to the last item. I want to know if we want to make a statement regarding inpoeachment? [9:15pm] Sayyida: yes i think we should [9:15pm] Bosun: Peachy-mint [9:15pm] Joe: I am actually against it [9:15pm] Bosun: Why Joe? [9:15pm] Sayyida: does not suprise me [9:15pm] jokeefe: I think we have issues closer to our platform to focus on [9:15pm] Joe: Why is that Sayyida? [9:16pm] Joe: Jokeefe is right on track with what I am thinking [9:16pm] Joe: This is a tangled mess that I think it would be a waste of our attention. [9:16pm] Joe: I am no fan of Trump. He' [9:17pm] Joe: He's is a crooked businessman. There is plenty of proof of that. [9:17pm] Bosun: I was not thinking of a diatribe, just a short statement. [9:18pm] Joe: It's more based on the fact that it's a can of worms that is just not worth our time currently. Not when we could be focused on fixing the platform and building the states, such as CA [9:18pm] Sayyida: aprox 10 min vote for more time? [9:18pm] Bosun: He who says nothing gives consent. [9:18pm] jokeefe: draft what you think we should say and send it to sab to comment [9:18pm] Bosun: I will table this and we can discuss it next time, or not. [9:18pm] jokeefe: would be my suggestion [9:19pm] jokeefe: thanks [9:19pm] Bosun: I will put it on SAB. [9:19pm] Joe: If you wish to draft something, I will not stand in the way. [9:19pm] Joe: Can we go back a moment, Sayyida, why do you think I objected? [9:19pm] Sayyida: 10 min [9:20pm] Bosun: OK .. Megan - last item. [9:20pm] Sayyida: Thank you [9:21pm] Sayyida: I have an issue with Joe and that is not a secret. My issue is not with his actions as chair but with the feelings left when I was chair [9:22pm] Sayyida: I felt manipulated, I voiced concern over johan and he stayed. I was advised to through a transational behaviour. [9:22pm] Sayyida: then we had another woman who wanted to run for office, I said no. we voted no, yet she was only talking with joe [9:23pm] Sayyida: the only way we could get johan out and save the party was to have a vote of no confidence [9:23pm] Sayyida: I was sad because joe never got to lead in his own right [9:24pm] Sayyida: however, the personal attacks over the SAB crossed a line and it was unprofessional [9:24pm] Sayyida: i understand you had a really hard week personally [9:24pm] Bosun: It is not good to have members sniping at each other. [9:24pm] Sayyida: then the party blew up in a way that you were held accountable for transational friendships [9:25pm] Sayyida: that took an emotional toll on you and I understand that it hurt [9:25pm] Bosun: Do you mean transactional? [9:25pm] Sayyida: yes, my writst is killing me and remembering spelling is hard [9:26pm] Sayyida: being petty isn't how this party operates. [9:26pm] Sayyida: I don't care what emotionally is going on with any of us, including me. when I am here, i am here and I try to think as logically as I can [9:26pm] Sayyida: my disorder isn't to be used as a weapon ever again. [9:27pm] Sayyida: we are here to make a better party and hopefully a better world [9:28pm] Sayyida: supporting politics with "if they are useful they can stay" its not about what someone can do for you to be good policy [9:28pm] Sayyida: its dangerous [9:28pm] Joe: May I retort? [9:28pm] Sayyida: the floor is yours [9:28pm] Joe: First, I never attacked your mental well-being nor used it as a weapon. If it came across as that, then I am sorry [9:30pm] Joe: That being stated. You were having challenges moving forward which is why I suggested that I lead the party. It was not my intent to rule with an iron fist or what not. That is why when the vote came through, I accepted the council. [9:30pm] Bosun: You both sniped, no ax grinding please. [9:31pm] Joe: That said, though I had my suspicions, I had no proof, nor the time to research. When you brought it forward, I had no defense for Johan and offered no excuse. [9:31pm] Joe: I'm just giving my perspective. I have no malice and do seek to continue my duties so long as you will find me useful. [9:32pm] Sayyida: a party divided is a weak party. [9:32pm] Joe: As far as the other women, though I spoke to her directly to get a better understanding, where I left that conversation was that she still did not have official support of the party [9:32pm] Sayyida: i forgive you for what you said over the SAB [9:33pm] Joe: There is no divide except your feelings Sayyida, please let me finish since I showed you the respect to let you finish [9:33pm] Bosun: Johan's proposals practically flashed con-man in red glowing letters. I too said nothing. [9:33pm] Joe: I did take my dismissal personally which was my failing but I still gave up all authority without question. [9:34pm] Joe: I never challenged any choice made by previous councils and agree with 99% of our policies [9:35pm] Joe: That said, I did what I thought was best and to accuse me of profiteering from this was completely unacceptable and that is why I no longer consider you a friend Sayyida. [9:36pm] Joe: If you took the time to understand me, as others have, then you would know that is not me. [9:36pm] Bosun: I don't think she said that Joe. [9:36pm] jokeefe: I am not sure what the point of this discussion is [9:37pm] jokeefe: also we are overtime [9:37pm] Sayyida: jokeefe: its about forgivness [9:38pm] Bosun: Shall we adjourn then? [9:38pm] Sayyida: if I may say one more thing? [9:39pm] Bosun: Say it please and the move to adjourn [9:39pm] jokeefe: Perhaps you two could talk it over and come to a resolution and find forgiveness? [9:39pm] Bosun: then [9:40pm] Sayyida: per CoC if Bosun is wiling to stay with Joe to finish this converstaion here that would be good with me [9:41pm] Joe: I have to be up in 4 hours for work due to the storm, I am not up for this discussion anymore. [9:41pm] Sayyida: understandable [9:41pm] Sayyida: ill send an email [9:41pm] Bosun: The let's adjourn. [9:41pm] Sayyida: aye [9:41pm] Joe: Motion to [9:42pm] Joe: and aye [9:42pm] jokeefe: aye [9:42pm] jokeefe: will post notes [9:42pm] Sayyida: good night [9:42pm] Joe: Ty and gn [9:42pm] Bosun: Good night.