PNC 8/8/12

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Agenda PNC MEETING'

08/8/2012 21:00h EDT

IRC: irc.pirateirc.net

Room: #pnc

Wiki: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_8/8/12

Attendees

Members of the PNC

participating

- Joseph T. Klein, Wisconsin
- Zacqary Adam Green, NY
- Jarod Smith, GA
- Jeff Talada, WA
- Orion Steele, CA
- Kyle DeVore, OR
- Bradley Hall, Florida

excused

- Massachusetts

unexcused

probation

- OK (fourth week)

At Large Members of the PNC

Alex Kollar PA
James Eastman/Amanda Johnson, Michigan

Proceedings

Meeting opened at: 09:02 pm EDT by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
Meeting closed at: 11:08pm EDT by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
Meeting chaired by
Secretary for this meeting is Jeff Talada
Quorum is established: Members 7 out of 8 present
Logging Enabled: Yes

Review of previous minutes

http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_8/1/12

Reports

Short report of the board members

Massachusetts

excused

Washington

no report

Oregon

working on getting the ORPP FB page up

Georgia

no report

Florida

Friday we have to file our 3-month activity report with the Florida Department of Elections

New York

Pirate Choir video should be done this week

California

we are all back from various teaching jobs across the country so we are starting to bring together all of the ideas and networking together and take action
reaching over 8000 people on facebook every day and our twitter/subreddit/google+ page is growing daily
just had our 9th videotaped weekly meeting and it is available online
on wednesday we have our third episode of the pirate hour (would love to see any of you there) we are interviewing Bill Kelleher and Alan Dechert
working with Travis McCrea and the German pirates as part of the AGPPP
This week we are in the process of switching over our website to our own server space, installing liquid feedback and a 24/7 radio stream
- as part of our media project we are trying to start working with other pirate parties to collect content from musicians in their districts that support our cause, then setting up a radio station that plays our music, podcasts/interviews and our own commercials
  - its an awesome way to unite the pirate parties around the world and build the cultural component of our movement
  - got interest from Pirate Parties UK and Finland
working on the music project and an internship proposal to take to universities in our area to give college students school credit for helping us with the pirate party
writing blogs and keeping stuff fresh

Want help with:

pirate hour - this is an awesome venue for talking to important people about stuff we care about. we are trying to nail down the time for generally thursday nights at 9 pm PDT (midnight on east coast). any of these you could come to helps us because we need a full audience and helps you because it allows you to connect with people and share our networking labor
TPP treaty negotiations - we were really happy to have a presence in san diego and we will work with anyone who is interested in going to virginia to help you with a speech or materials to distribute or whatever

Wisconsin

our members voted and ratified the PNC Constitution
looking into the possibility of a student pirate group at the University of Wisconsin-Madison
reaching 33k people on facebook weekly
Twitter network shows constant growth, and we will soon be making efforts to network using google+

Short Report From Committees

IT Committee

Agenda Items

AOB

Mozart (PPAU) – Trans-Pacific Partnership.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Controversy_over_Intellectual_Property_.28IP.29_provisions
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Controversy_over_negotiation_secrecy
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership
- Next round of negotiations are in VA
  - Sept. 9
  - Registration closes in about a week: http://www.ustr.gov/tpp/
- the text of the speech CAPP presented is here: http://www.calpirateparty.org/1/post/2012/07/california-pirate-party-response-to-the-trans-pacific-partnership-treaty.html
- Mozart is available to help write/edit presentations that get written
- OrionSteele, we can also help write presentations and work with anyone on the logistical side of registering or writing flyers for the table

Observer State updates

Michigan
- revamping site
- waiting on the AGPPP care package
- Ann Arbor boys to start flyering with other flyers when we get the funds
- have a couple contacts at the U of M to flyer there and I'm trying to get others from Wayne State, EMU and other universities to start student groups

Minnesota
- got the HTTPS cert for the MNPP website
- talk with someone from the Rochester, MN area whom has interested folks in the MNPP
- may have some interested folks from a political meetup that I regularly go to

Elections really need to get done eventually. - Amanda Johnson

Vote to issue a statement of opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership. 1 for, at-large for

Questions, Comments, Concerns Send a request to Asha Ziering (calpirateparty@gmail.com) to participate in Pirate Hour

Next Meeting Date

Next meeting: Wednesday, August 18 at 9PM EDT
Meeting closed: 11:08pm EDT

Logs

<@kusanagi> let's start
<@kusanagi> roll call
<Bosun> Joseph T. Klein, Wisconsin
<@kusanagi> (Link: https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-8-8-12)https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-8-8-12 is tonight's agenda
<@kusanagi> not much
<Zacqary> Zacqary Adam Green, NY
<akollar> Alex Kollar PA
<Deamon> James Eastman, Michigan
Brendan is watching
<jarod_> Jarod GA
<@kusanagi> last name, jarod?
<jarod_> Smith
<@kusanagi> gotcha
<@kusanagi> ping QuazarGuy
<@kusanagi> i could use a secy tonight..
<@kusanagi> lol
<Sacha> Amanda Johnson, Michigan

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<@kusanagi> Who is the rep from MI?

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<Sacha> I am
<@kusanagi> kay
<QuazarGuy> here
<Sacha> Could you link to the agenda kusanagi
<@kusanagi> (Link: https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-8-8-12)https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-8-8-12
<QuazarGuy> Jeff Talada, WA
<@kusanagi> ok good
<@kusanagi> we have... 4
<@kusanagi> member states
<@kusanagi> I'll give a bit to Jeff to catch up on the pad
<Sacha> Are we going to put nominations for elections on the agenda tonight?
<Deamon> motion for Jeff to type faster.
<@kusanagi> Sacha: no
<Sacha> Kusanagi Why not.
<Sacha> deamon lolol
<QuazarGuy> ok
<@kusanagi> we could, but i wasn't told anything about it when i spoke with travis at 3 am
<@kusanagi> ok, since MAPP isn't here tonight, QuazarGuy, anything good happening in WA?
<Sacha> Kusanagi is there any reason we need not to? We keep putting it off
<QuazarGuy> no report
<Sacha> I was still talking but go ahead
<@kusanagi> and we're in a meeting right now. throw it in aob

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<@kusanagi> oregon isn't here..
<@kusanagi> welp.
<@kusanagi> next
<jarod_> GA - No change
<@kusanagi> yep
<@kusanagi> fl isn't here yet, so Zacqary

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<Zacqary> No report. Pirate Choir video should be done this week, though.
<@kusanagi> yaaay

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<@kusanagi> oh, talk about perfect timing
<@kusanagi> OrionSteele: CAPP update?
<OrionSteele> hi sorry i'm late
<OrionSteele> i just woke up
<OrionSteele> YES i can give you an update
<Zacqary> Sign in first
<Zacqary> Just because formality and stuff
<OrionSteele> Orion Steele VP of CAPP here for the California Pirate Party
<Zacqary> Kthx
<OrionSteele> our update: ok this week we are all back from various teaching jobs across the country so we are starting to bring together all of the ideas and networking together and take action

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<OrionSteele> We are reaching over 8000 people on facebook every day and our twitter/subreddit/google+ page is growing daily
<OrionSteele> we just had our 9th videotaped weekly meeting and it is available online

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<OrionSteele> on wednesday we have our third episode of the pirate hour (would love to see any of you there) we are interviewing Bill Kelleher and Alan Dechert
<OrionSteele> we are working with Travis McCrea and the German pirates as part of the AGPPP (should like on facebook if you haven't already)
<@kusanagi> that's awesome
<OrionSteele> This week we are in the process of switching over our website to our own server space, installing liquid feedback and a 24/7 radio stream
<@kusanagi> awesome, pirate radio :D
<OrionSteele> as part of our media project we are trying to start working with other pirate parties to collect content from musicians in their districts that support our cause, then setting up a radio station that plays our music, podcasts/interviews and our own commercials
<OrionSteele> its an awesome way to unite the pirate parties around the world and build the cultural component of our movement
<@kusanagi> very cool. that's really awesome
<OrionSteele> we've already got interest from Pirate Parties UK and Finland
<OrionSteele> so this week we are working on the music project and an internship proposal to take to universities in our area to give college students school credit for helping us with the pirate party

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<OrionSteele> that should be done in the next couple days and I am happy to share it with you if you want to do that in your state
<OrionSteele> other than the video project (pirate hour) radio project (radio station) internship proposal and web presence, we've got a lot on our hands
<@kusanagi> yeah
<OrionSteele> obviously writing blogs and keeping stuff fresh
<@kusanagi> you guys are really doing outstandingly
<OrionSteele> :) :) :) thank you!
<@kusanagi> that's all?
<OrionSteele> i think that's good for now...i wanted to mention 2 things we need help with:
<@kusanagi> sure
<OrionSteele> 1. pirate hour - this is an awesome venue for talking to important people about stuff we care about. we are trying to nail down the time for generally thursday nights at 9 pm PDT (midnight on east coast). any of these you could come to helps us because we need a full audience and helps you because it allows you to connect with people and share our networking labor
<OrionSteele> so please let me know if anyone can do that tomorrow
<OrionSteele> and 2.
<OrionSteele> the TPP treaty negotiations
<OrionSteele> we were really happy to have a presence in san diego and we will work with anyone who is interested in going to virginia to help you with a speech or materials to distribute or whatever
<OrionSteele> ok thats all
<@kusanagi> yes, Mozart wanted to talk abotu that to us as well

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<@kusanagi> alight, awesome
<@kusanagi> ok, wisconsin! Bosun, what's good there?
<Bosun> WI - our members voted and ratified the PNC Constitution. We are looking into the possibility of a student pirate group at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. We are now up to reaching 33k people on facebook weekly. Twitter network shows constant growth, and we will soon be making efforts to network using google+. That is all. (CA - fantastic job. Would love to have information on the internship proposal once it is done.)
<@kusanagi> then back to oregon, you late people. check in please.
<MrSquared> Kyle DeVore, OR
<MrSquared> how is it already wednesday?
<@kusanagi> sounds awesome Bosun!
<@kusanagi> I have no idea, MrSquared, i just do what my GCal tells me to do
<@kusanagi> any update?
<MrSquared> Oregon: I am still working on getting the ORPP FB page up, I was just promoted to Admin on our FB group
<MrSquared> it should be up soon
<@kusanagi> very cool

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<@kusanagi> sign in please
<Rush> Bradley Hall, Florida
<Rush> I think I have the bare minimum to persist
<@kusanagi> hm
<@kusanagi> any report from fl?
<@kusanagi> guess not
<Rush> OH
<Rush> Sorry
<QuazarGuy> is that a yes?
<Rush> Yes, Friday we have to file our 3-month activity report with the Florida Department of Elections
<@kusanagi> cool beans
<@kusanagi> and sorry i'm doing this backwards, but (Link: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_8/1/12)http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_8/1/12 is last week's agenda. we're all good on last week?
<MrSquared> looks good to me
<Zacqary> Good
<QuazarGuy> yeah
<@kusanagi> ok, ping Sacha_ Deamon Rush Zacqary jarod_ OrionSteele
<Bosun> approve.
<@kusanagi> Bosun, ageis
<@kusanagi> er akollar
<Deamon> I'm here
<akollar> Oi?
<@kusanagi> last week's minutes
<akollar> Nothing in PA that I know of.
<Rush> I'm here
<OrionSteele> yes
<Deamon> I'm good with it
<jarod_> yes
<@kusanagi> ok good
<@kusanagi> is matuck_ here?
<@kusanagi> IT committee update?

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<@kusanagi> aight, doesn't look like he's here either. >.>
<@kusanagi> ok, i wasn't informed of any agenda items that we needed to go over today, so i'm going to bring it over to AOB
<@kusanagi> Mozart from PPAU wanted to talk with us about the TPP. Are you here, Moz?
<Mozart> Yep.
<@kusanagi> Does anyone object to having him speak?
<@kusanagi> since nonmember and all
<QuazarGuy> no
<OrionSteele> please speak Mozart (mozart is a badass and CAPP has a question for you afterwards)
<@kusanagi> go ahead Mozart
<Sacha> Can we go ahead and allow at large to speak as well for the discussion?
Brendan notes that Mozart is in a library somewhere.
<Mozart> I'm sure many people would object to me being called a "badass". Haha.
<OrionSteele> not us :)
<Mozart> Brendan would probably object for starters.
<Brendan> he's a pussy cat.
<@kusanagi> guys
<@kusanagi> on topic
<Mozart> I hope everyone here has at least heard of the TPP?
<Mozart> It's pretty much the Pacific ACTA -- only in some places worse.
<OrionSteele> yes
<MrSquared> yep
<akollar> Well now I have.
<QuazarGuy> I thought the text wasn't available
<Mozart> (Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Controversy_over_Intellectual_Property_.28IP.29_provisions)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Controversy_over_Intellectual_Property_.28IP.29_provisions
<Mozart> (Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Controversy_over_negotiation_secrecy)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Controversy_over_negotiation_secrecy
<Mozart> (Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership
<Mozart> There are some links.
<Mozart> There have been about three leaks of draft/negotiating texts.
<CalebLangeslag> When was the latest?
<Mozart> About a week ago.
<CalebLangeslag> Not bad
<Mozart> It showed that AU/US are both opposing fair use, in essence.
<Mozart> At the last two negotiating rounds, PPAU and CAPP presented.
<Mozart> That was in Melbourne and San Diego respectively.
<Mozart> The round is in Leesburg, Virginia.
<OrionSteele> the text of the speech CAPP presented is here: (Link: http://www.calpirateparty.org/1/post/2012/07/california-pirate-party-response-to-the-trans-pacific-partnership-treaty.html)http://www.calpirateparty.org/1/post/2012/07/california-pirate-party-response-to-the-trans-pacific-partnership-treaty.html
<Mozart> (Link: http://www.ustr.gov/tpp/)http://www.ustr.gov/tpp/
<Mozart> Registrations for it close in about a week.
<Bosun> can we make a formal resolution of the pnc opposing any US treaty that is done in secret unless it directly relates to national security?
<Mozart> Wait till I've finished.
<Rush> Why not national security?
<@kusanagi> Guys
<@kusanagi> let Mozart finish
<@kusanagi> go on
<Mozart> This needs to be opposed directly. It would be great if as many presentations as possible could be put on.
<Mozart> Bear in mind that members of PPAU travelled +1000 klicks to attend the Melbourne one.
<Mozart> It is serious.
<Mozart> So, I would like you all to consider sending at least a USPP delegate.
<Mozart> Preferably the states could also send their own.
<@kusanagi> When is the next round?
<Mozart> September 9th.
<Mozart> Registrations close next week.
<Mozart> I pasted a link above to the USTR page on it.
<Mozart> That's about all I have to say, are there any questions?
<@kusanagi> None here, but thank you
<Sacha> Can at large speak
<Mozart> I am also available to help write/edit presentations that get written.
<Sacha> +
<OrionSteele> we can also help write presentations and work with anyone on the logistical side of registering or writing flyers for the table
<@kusanagi> Sacha: please refrain from speaking out-of-order
<@kusanagi> have someone make a motion
<@kusanagi> that's really awesome of you guys, I think MAPP mentioned something about sending someone, but they're not here tonight
<Mozart> I was very impressed with CAPP's presentation. I would recommend avoiding doubling up on the same content if several states present.
<Mozart> That way you maximise your time.
<akollar> I will be back in a few if anyone needs me.
<OrionSteele> I heard Travis say something about this in one of our back channels...I am writing him an email now on some other things and I will see if he is still interested in attending the negotiations
<Mozart> I believe he will be out of the country. Which is unfortunate as he could have presented on behalf of PPCA.
<@kusanagi> i think he's going to be in london around that time
<OrionSteele> oh crap that's right
<Mozart> Might hassle the Canadians about this.
<@kusanagi> might be a good idea to
<Brendan> OrionSteele: fly
<OrionSteele> hahaha wish i had the money
<@kusanagi> we all wish we had the money lol
<Mozart> How much would it cost?
<@kusanagi> ]
<@kusanagi> about 600USD
<@kusanagi> at least
<Mozart> Ouch.
<OrionSteele> its ok i can still poke my head around to see if we can get anyone
<OrionSteele> i will try for the next day or two to find someone if no one here can do it...i can get back to you on this
<jarod_> check my website if yall need a quote apextourism.com
<@kusanagi> jarod_: shameless, huh? lol
<Mozart> Well, thank you for your time.
<@kusanagi> No problem, thank you.
<Mozart> Give them hell.
<jarod_> pretty much
<QuazarGuy> (Link: http://www.farecompare.com/flights/San_Francisco-SFO/Virginia-VA/citystate.html)http://www.farecompare.com/flights/San_Francisco-SFO/Virginia-VA/citystate.html
<@kusanagi> Next up, I have Observer State updates
<QuazarGuy> looks like flights are between $250 and $400
<@kusanagi> so, Sacha or Deamon, akollar , CalebLangeslag care to update us?
<Deamon> I can do the MI update if Sach is cool with it
<@kusanagi> whichever is good
<Sacha> Go ahead Deamon as I do not think there is anything to say so you may provide more
<akollar> Right now there is nothing to update on in PA, I'm just here filling in for Passstab
<Deamon> Team Michigan go
<Deamon> Alright, I've been talking with a new member about revamoing the site, progress is slow, but we'll get it done
<@kusanagi> any progress is good progress
<@kusanagi> awesome
<Deamon> We have 10 more likes on the Facebook page, and the website is getting some behind the scenes work. We're still waiting on the AGPPP care package and I'll get my Ann Arbor boys to start flyering with other flyers when we get the funds
<@kusanagi> is that all?
<@kusanagi> oops
<@kusanagi> lol
<Deamon> I type slow my bad
<@kusanagi> it's okay, i type fastish
<Deamon> We have a couple contacts at the U of M to flyer there and I'm trying to get others from Wayne State, EMU and other universities to start student groups when that starts all back up
<Sacha> AGPPP came in today, if you want we can ask them about sending some flyers about the pp if they wish?
<Sacha> We also have MSU and GVSU that we can put flyers up at
<OrionSteele> awesome i will send you our internship proposal too
<@kusanagi> awesome
<Deamon> That would be great Orion
<Deamon> and that's it fo Big Blue
<@kusanagi> cool beans
<@kusanagi> CalebLangeslag: any updates?
<CalebLangeslag> Well, got the HTTPS cert for the MNPP website, setting up the website, tomorrow I talk with someone from the Rochester, MN area whom has interested folks in the MNPP, so hopefully we'll be getting started in the next few days.
<@kusanagi> awesome
<CalebLangeslag> Been trying to contact someone from the Minneapolis area (whom has been around this IRC a bit, but not around much more), but they've been busy and kind of unable to get a moment to talk on the phone.
<CalebLangeslag> and that's pretty much all
<@kusanagi> that's great
<@kusanagi> yaay
<CalebLangeslag> Well
<CalebLangeslag> If we get the MNPP started, I may have some interested folks from a political meetup that I regularly go to, as well.
<CalebLangeslag> in my local area
<@kusanagi> that's even better :D
<CalebLangeslag> Since privacy, free speech, internet censorship, and so on have been discussions that have been brought up many times before
<@kusanagi> so, perfect recruiting grounds
<@kusanagi> excellent!@
<CalebLangeslag> Pretty much
<@kusanagi> ok, next up on AOB is Amanda's point of the elections.
<@kusanagi> Sacha: would you like to address that further?
<Sacha> We need to have them sometime
<Sacha> Soon would be good
<Sacha> First step is nominations and I think we need to do that this week or next
<@kusanagi> Duly noted. But no nominations have been made yet, only 2 states have ratified
<@kusanagi> They should be going on nowish
<Sacha> Are we waiting for states to ratify?
<Sacha> Why?
<Bosun> i thought 3 states ratified
<QuazarGuy> someone else did today
<@kusanagi> Oh, you're right, 3
<@kusanagi> I didn't remember FL
<OrionSteele> CAPP will vote and ratify it on Monday
<Sacha> Okay, so whose job description would it be to shoot out an email to the member states that have not ratified?
<@kusanagi> it's no one's job
<Bosun> can you list the states that ratified?
<@kusanagi> WI, MA, FL have ratified
<QuazarGuy> MA, WA, and FL
<@kusanagi> Technically, you have 6 months to ratify
<@kusanagi> when did WA ratify?
<QuazarGuy> oh WI did?
<QuazarGuy> last week
<Sacha> We are going to wait 6 months to ratify?
<Sacha> To elect new people*
<Sacha> that is insane
<Bosun> so 4 states
<Sacha> Out of how many member states?
<@kusanagi> 8
<@kusanagi> so we're halfway there
<QuazarGuy> I thought we were waiting for bylaws and job descriptions

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<@kusanagi> NY is discussing it tomorrow
<Sacha> Did we form a bylaws committee last week?
<QuazarGuy> I really really want to be replaced
<QuazarGuy> yeah
<@kusanagi> yes, we did
<Sacha> Did we ordain a head yet?
<Sacha> Who is in it?
<@kusanagi> it's the constitution commitee
<@kusanagi> same people in there
<Sacha> Did you let Zach know?
<Sacha> Or should I send an email
<@kusanagi> Zacqary was here for it
<Sacha> We should make a due date then for the by laws skeleton
<Sacha> I'll send him and erik a reminder in case they forgot since I was on it
<@kusanagi> Can the PNC do that?
<Sacha> Kusanagi Yes. They did the same thing with the constitution.
<Zacqary> Yeah we should. Sorry for not being on top of that. Been having health issues.
<@kusanagi> ok
<Sacha> Zacqary No problem, are we going to use the same doc we started? I get to adding some stuff to it.
<Sacha> I can get*
<QuazarGuy> guys, I put in my resignation months ago
<@kusanagi> *<1mo
<Zacqary> We'll talk about it on email
<Bosun> WI motions: Each state, if they agree, including observer states, contribute 60USD to fund attendance by a USPP representative at the TPP.
<@kusanagi> Anyone second?

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<Sacha> Absolutely fucking not
<@kusanagi> Language
<@kusanagi> And out of order
<Sacha> QuazarGuy do you want me to pitch in and start doing it?
<QuazarGuy> we can talk about it later
<Sacha> QuazarGuy K, if you need help or anything or you are too busy feel free to ask. I don't want people to have to do stuff they do not want to.
<@kusanagi> Motion failed, sorry Bosun
<Bosun> "If they agree"
<@kusanagi> I know, but the motion needed a second
<Bosun> nevertheless, the motion died. It is irrelevant

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<@kusanagi> yeah
<@kusanagi> ok, so that's all for the elections bit, yes?
<Zacqary> Guys I gotta go
<OrionSteele> i would like to second the motion but not sure how feasible it is to ask parties for the money...considering we don't have any yet
<Zacqary> See yas

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<@kusanagi> yeah, NY is strapped as it is.
<Rush> Sorry, connection difficulties
<@kusanagi> happens, Rush
<Bosun> WI moves that we direct the captain to draft a statement of opposition to the TPP.
<@kusanagi> Anyone second this?
<OrionSteele> the captain of the pnc?
<Bosun> yes.
<@kusanagi> travis isn't here tonight
<QuazarGuy> Bosun, you gonna help him?
<@kusanagi> so someone would have to call and tell him about it
<Sacha> I could tell him
<Bosun> best time to volunteer him, and our tresurer has volunteered to help him.
<@kusanagi> LOL
<OrionSteele> I will ask him if he wants to do it...although i think we can also take the transcript of the Australia speech and ours and any others prepared for presentation and compile them in one place where people can read them
<Bosun> don't we need a second?
<Bosun> before we discuss.
<@kusanagi> we need a second,.
<@kusanagi> OrionSteele, QuazarGuy do you guys second?
<Bosun> please.
<OrionSteele> sure
<@kusanagi> there
<@kusanagi> lol now discuss
<QuazarGuy> I don't see why this needs a motion
<Sacha> Can't we just ask him if he wants to do it
<OrionSteele> yeah i mean it is something we should have available at the uspp website and advertise
<Sacha> Assigning it to him when he is not even here to accept or disagree is unfair
<OrionSteele> but i don't think we should make travis do it if we already have resources available for people
<Sacha> and if we are just asking him then I doubt we need a motion
<QuazarGuy> or if others are interested in the drafting
<OrionSteele> i wouldn't mind assigning it to him if it is only a paragraph or two as an official statement
<OrionSteele> but not a full blown paper
<Bosun> treasurer of WIPP volunteers to help; His contact is fjk@titania.net.
<Sacha> I agree with what QuazarGuy said
<Deamon> I can draft up a 2 paragraph statement and send it to him for revision if needed
<OrionSteele> that sounds good
<Sacha> So what is the plan right now?
<OrionSteele> he can edit and change it around as an official statement from the pnc, and then it can be combined with the longer analyses for people that want to read more
<Sacha> sounds good
<@kusanagi> calloing travis now
<Bosun> a vote shows that the PNC agrees on this issue.
<OrionSteele> i think the plan is for Deamon / WI volunteers to draft an official statement on the TPP to submit to Travis, who will edit and post along with the other speeches we've already written
<QuazarGuy> how about a motion for the PNC to issue a statement on TPP then?
<OrionSteele> i can second that one too
<Sacha> a motion about that sounds good
<Sacha> someone would have to make it though :P
<Deamon> I just need contacts of who I send it to
<Sacha> Deamon I can give you travis' fb
<Sacha> and you can send it to him there
<@kusanagi> i'm on the phonwe with ntravis right now
<@kusanagi> lol
<@kusanagi> he said yes
<OrionSteele> sweet
<QuazarGuy> shall it be a press release?
<Bosun> move to amend: substitute "issue a statement" for "direct the captain to draft a statement"
<@kusanagi> "I will handle it as a press release" - travis mccrea
<Sacha> sweet
<Sacha> so do we need a motion at all?
<Bosun> a vote shows solidarity
<@kusanagi> vote
<OrionSteele> CAPP votes aye
<QuazarGuy> aye
<Bosun> point of order: a second and vote must be called on the amendment.
<QuazarGuy> CA seconded
<Sacha> isnt the captain supposed to call the vote
<@kusanagi> i did
<Sacha> Ahh okay I didn't see 'vote'
<@kusanagi> sorry lol
<Bosun> we're voting on the amendment, correct?
<@kusanagi> yes
<Bosun> aye.
<QuazarGuy> now I'm lost
<QuazarGuy> kusinagi paste what we're voting on
<Bosun> voting on the amendment to the origional motion.
<Bosun> (move to amend: substitute "issue a statement" for "direct the captain to draft a statement")

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<QuazarGuy> and what's the original thing?
<Bosun> full motion would read: "move that we issue a statement of opposition to the TPP."
<Bosun> we being the PNC
<QuazarGuy> I don't see it, or it's second
<Bosun> Orion seconded.

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<QuazarGuy> this is what I saw get seconded, *<Bosun> WI moves that we direct the captain to draft a statement of opposition to the TPP.
<Bosun> yes, and then [21:36] *<Bosun> move to amend: substitute "issue a statement" for "direct the captain to draft a statement"
<Bosun> and [21:38] *<QuazarGuy> CA seconded