PNC 6/13/12

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Agenda PNC MEETING

06/13/12 18:00h PST

IRC: irc.pirateirc.net

Room: #pnc

Wiki: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/13/12

Attendees

Members of the PNC

participating

Bradley Hall, Florida
Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY
Brady O'bannon Dibble, Washington
Jarod, GA
Kyle DeVore, Oregon
Erik Zoltan, Massachusetts
Orion Steele, California

excused

unexcused

Oklahoma

At Large Members of the PNC

Itspara maryland
Sacha, MI

Proceedings

Meeting opened at : pm EST by Travis McCrea
Meeting closed at : 12:10am EST by
Meeting chaired by Travis McCrea
Secretary for this meeting is QuazarGuy
Quorum is established. [6] Members out of [7] present
Logging Enabled: Yes

Review of previous minutes

http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_5/06/12

Reports

Short report of the board members

Massachusetts

participated in the Boston Pride Parade last weekend
- all dressed up as pirates and handed out fliers as we marched and chanted slogans
- completely underestimated the level of interest there would be
  - ran out of fliers one third of the way through the parade
- learned a lot and have many ideas about how to improve our process next time
going to have a hackathon soon to put up liquid feedback on our site
drafting the language of a ballot proposal

Oklahoma

n/a

Washington

nothing to report

Oregon

nothing to report

Georgia

nothing to report

Florida

nothing to report

New York

Zac interviewed with huffpost
making some phone calls to the board of elections to actually be registered
Pirate choir will be rehearsing on 23rd
Lindsay has been named administrative officer
Zac is now Operations and will be the new NY rep, with Lindsay as backup

Short Report From Committees

IT Committee

Didn't report

California Seeks Entry Into PNC

Massachusetts moves to admit California into the PNC.
- Motion to allow Orion to speak on behalf of CA
  - 4 for, at-large (1) for
- Reasons for membership provided by Orion
  - we believe in the ideals of the pirate party, and we are committed to defending pirate party ideology
  - believe that we can contribute to a successful national movement and provide resources/information/support to other states
  - we believe that our members have a unique opportunity to lobby on behalf of pirates in Hollywood
  - founded on May 1, 2012
    - Since that time we have formally organized with the secretary of state and IRS
    - started a voter registration drive to become a registered party in our state
  - launched a website, facebook, twitter and google accounts, and in the short time we have been in business we have recruited over 50 pirates
  - Our plan is to conduct live public debates about pirate related issues, to hold pirate rallies and concerts, as well as do everything we can to promote public intellectualism
  - our group of pirate party administrators are smart, committed individuals
  - Orion would be PNC rep for CA and their president, Jake Ziering, will be secondary
- 5 for, 1 abstain, at-large (1) for

Progress on Temporary PNC Objectives

Motion to allow Sacha a comment
- 4 for
- Comment:
  - Last week this was discussed so late that no clear plan was agreed upon before adjourning for the night. Simply "confirm by sunday" on Saturday I sent out an email to the board requesting further instruction and recieved nothing back. I think we should keep that in mind before ruling on whether or not we cut out the people that were not confirmed last meeting.
Washington motions to vote now on a single chair for the Constitution Committee to act primarily as a representative to the PNC from the following: Brad, Brady, Zac
- 4 for, at-large (.5) for
- Vote for the representative

Key | First Round | Second Round

F8kg3l | Zac Brady Rush | Zac 2 Brady 1

D93kjs | Brady Zac Brad | Zac 1 Brady 2

K34sof | Zac Brady Brad | Zac 2 Brady 1

C3ksdl | Brady Zac Brad | Zac 1 Brady 2

Hisk3lf | Zac Brad Brady | Zac 2 Brady 0

Kisff3n | Brady Brad Zac | Zac 1 Brady 2

Results:

Zac 14
Brady 14
Brad 8

Final Round Results:

Zac 9
Brady 8

http://pirate-party.us/news/article/temporary-pirate-national-committee
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLMIpfAPMqIMRET12kNayo0j5kBFNyQOkT-9v0IGwYY/edit?pli=1

VPN

Any states that would like to provide VPN service to their members:

Rates would be $10 p/mo $35 p/6mo $60 p/yr
Your state would make $5 $15 $30 respectively (not per signup, but per mo/6/yr)
This is the same system being adopted by PPI for member countries, so it's pretty awesome. It's a great way for your state to make money to be used for advertising and party funds. Here is the order page http://acceptculture.org/ to get a feel for it. (ignore the current prices, they are just place holders)

AOB

Motion to adjourn
- 4 for, at-large for

Next meeting: 6/20/12 at 9:00pm EST

Meeting closed: at 12:10 am EST

Logs

<teamcoltra> so I am going to call this meeting to order with Quazar as our secretary. Can I please get a roll call of your name and state please. (ping Brady CalebLangeslag coyo erixoltan Ganrao itspara jarod_ kusanagi matuck MrSquared OrionSteele QuazarGuy Rush teamcoltra )
<teamcoltra> The time is 6:19
<teamcoltra> PST
<Rush> Bradley Hall, Florida, Delegate
<kusanagi> Lindsay-Anne Runner, NY rep
<kusanagi> Brunner.
<itspara> Itspara maryland
<Brady> Brady O'bannon Dibble, Washington state
<QuazarGuy> Jeff Talada, Secretary
<MrSquared> Kyle DeVore, Oregon
<OrionSteele> Orion Steele, California
<itspara> At large
<erixoltan> Erik Zoltan, Massachusetts
<jarod_> Jarod georgia
<teamcoltra> I can't make mandates, but a state might want to make the motion or it become accepted decorum at some point that as we are a political party, that state representatives use their real name vs a screen name when representing their state
<teamcoltra> Tonights agenda is (Link: https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-6-13-12)https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-6-13-12
<teamcoltra> Can we all review the minutes of last week and agree to the results (Link: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_5/06/12)http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_5/06/12
<teamcoltra> err
<jarod_> There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.
<teamcoltra> (Link: https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-6-6-12)https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-6-6-12
<teamcoltra> (Link: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/06/12)http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_6/06/12
<teamcoltra> Once you have read and agree to the minutes of last week please say so, so I know we can move on

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<erixoltan> the minutes look good to me.
<jarod_> agreed
<teamcoltra> Okay since they were pretty short I am going to assume we all agree on them, if anyone sees something worrysome you can bring up an objection late.
<teamcoltra> later*
<teamcoltra> Lets start with reports - erixoltan mass is up first

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<erixoltan> Massachusetts participated in the Boston Pride Parade last weekend.
<erixoltan> We all dressed up as pirates and handed out fliers as we marched and chanted slogans.
<erixoltan> We completely underestimated the level of interest there would be.
<erixoltan> As a result we ran out of fliers one third of the way through the parade.

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<erixoltan> We then got pretty hoarse shouting slogans the rest of the way.
<@kusanagi> Yay
<erixoltan> We learned a lot and have many ideas about how to improve our process next time.
<erixoltan> We are also going to have a hackathon soon to put up liquid feedback on our site.

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<erixoltan> We are drafting the language of a ballot proposal now - that has floated up to the top of the list now that the parade is over.
<erixoltan> That's it for Massachusetts.
<teamcoltra> Awesome, thank you
<teamcoltra> Oklahoma - D-USA who isn't here. Washingtons report will be given by Brady who is new to being a delegate (from what I understand) as he is filling in for QuazarGuy today.
<teamcoltra> Go ahead
<Brady> We have nothing to report at this time.
<Brady> We cede our time.
<teamcoltra> okay... MrSquared from Oregon, you are up next :)
<Rush> What up?
<MrSquared> Oregon, doesn't have anything new to report either, we are just trying to get our bearings still.
<MrSquared> cede
<teamcoltra> Not a problem. Slow week for a couple of our parties, it happens. Georgia with jarod_ is up next
<jarod_> nothing to report in GA
<jarod_> cede as well
<teamcoltra> Florida I am sure is just booming with activity, what's going on in Florida Rush?
<Rush> Nothing actually.
<Rush> That's about it.
<teamcoltra> Finally we have kusanagi from PPNY who is going to blow us away with amazing stories from PPNY
<@kusanagi> For New York, Zac interviewed with huffpo on my behalf, he was feeling great about it. We're making some phone calls to the board of elections to actually be registered. Pirate choir will be rehearsing on 23rd.I've been named administrative officer, Zac is now Operations and will be the new NY rep, with me as backup. That's pretty much all I can remember.
<@kusanagi> And FFS
<@kusanagi> NYPP.
@kusanagi slaps teamcoltra with a trout.
<@kusanagi> :D
<erixoltan> lmao
<teamcoltra> :) is that all?
<teamcoltra> kusanagi?
<@kusanagi> lol
<@kusanagi> Nothing but *<3
<teamcoltra> matuck
<@kusanagi> Yes, it is
<teamcoltra> What's going on in the IT department
<teamcoltra> btw it was matuck's birthday yesterday (hint)
<Sacha> Happy late birthday Matuck!!
<@kusanagi> Awwwww
@kusanagi gets the cake
<erixoltan> yay happy birthday
<@kusanagi> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOOOO YOOOOOOU
<Brady> Happy Birthday, matuck!
<MrSquared> Happy Birthday!
<teamcoltra> but he doesn't seem to be around so we are moving on :)
<QuazarGuy> think he's afk
<teamcoltra> I have taken the liberty of moving a new agenda point to item 1 so that if it passes California can take part in the rest of the conversation
<teamcoltra> erixoltan would you like to state your motion for us?
<erixoltan> I would like to move that California be admitted to the PNC.
<OrionSteele> :)
<teamcoltra> Would someone like to move to allow OrionSteele to take part in the debate?
<Brady> I move to allow OrionSteele to take part in the debate on behalf of California.
<erixoltan> second
<teamcoltra> all in favour?
<erixoltan> aye
<Sacha> yay
<Brady> Aye
<MrSquared> aye
<itspara> Aye
<Rush> Aye
<teamcoltra> And I will call the vote.
<QuazarGuy> 5 for
<OrionSteele> yay thank you!
<Rush> No Orion, thank you.
<teamcoltra> Okay so maybe OrionSteele you can walk us through why you feel your state should be a member
<OrionSteele> sure
<teamcoltra> what you have achieved, what you are doing to drive more membership, etc
<Sacha> don't forget all the criteria* (i'll be quiet now tho)
<OrionSteele> we think the california pirate party should be a member of the PNC for a number of reasons
<OrionSteele> First, we believe in the ideals of the pirate party, and we are committed to defending pirate party ideology. We believe that we can contribute to a successful national movement and provide resources/information/support to other states
<OrionSteele> Second, we believe that our members have a unique opportunity to lobby on behalf of pirates in Hollywood. Since so much content is produced in our state, it is paramount that the pirate party have a presence in California. It will allow us to be on the front steps of the bastard's mansions
<OrionSteele> Specifically about us:
<OrionSteele> the california pirate party founded on May 1, 2012. Since that time we have formally organized with the secretary of state and IRS. we have started a voter registration drive to become a registered party in our state.
<OrionSteele> we launched a website, facebook, twitter and google accounts, and in the short time we have been in business we have recruited over 50 pirates
<OrionSteele> Our plan is to conduct live public debates about pirate related issues, to hold pirate rallies and concerts, as well as do everything we can to promote public intellectualism
<OrionSteele> our group of pirate party administrators are smart, committed individuals with sophisticated world views and each of them has something amazing to bring to the table
<OrionSteele> there is much more, I could talk about this for hours, but that is a taste of some of the stuff we have done in one month
<erixoltan> I have a question. Do you have a PNC rep and alternate in mind?
<OrionSteele> yes, i will be the PNC rep, and our president, Jake Ziering will be our alternate
<teamcoltra> Other questions?
<Brady> I also have a question - Have you documented the steps you took thus far, and can you quantify this in such a way that it may be repeated elsewhere?
<OrionSteele> um, we do keep a timeline of pirate party activities at our facebook page, and I am keeping all of our documentation in chronological order. I am happy to place a "history" section on our website with an enumeration of the steps we have taken
<teamcoltra> I would also ask that questions be kept to deciding factors about brining PPCA into the PNC. As we can ask them questions about tips/tricks/support at any time.
<Brady> More along the lines of a 'business plan' of sorts.
<Brady> Ah, I apologize. I withdraw my question.
<Sacha> Was it part of the guidelines that the alt and rep have spent time in meetings?
<teamcoltra> No.
<erixoltan> teamcoltra, do you have a link to the criteria for admission and the criteria for probation?
<Brady> I do however wish to ask how much California's principles differ from those in Europe and how it plans to adjust its platforms to California.
<teamcoltra> One sec

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<QuazarGuy> (Link: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_5/16/12#5_-_Admission_into_the_PNC_for_MI_Pirates)http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_5/16/12#5_-_Admission_into_the_PNC_for_MI_Pirates

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<teamcoltra> (Link: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_5/16/12#6_-_PNC_Membership)http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_5/16/12#6_-_PNC_Membership
<teamcoltra> :) close enough to QuazarGuy
<teamcoltra> A PNC member state must adhere to the three main planks of the Pirate Party. It is not required to adopt, nor is it prohibited from adopting, any other positions.
<QuazarGuy> CA has addressed all requirements
<teamcoltra> It must have a membership actively attempting to grow.
<Sacha> teamcoltra according to that link you were wrong

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<teamcoltra> actually sorry
<teamcoltra> It must have a membership actively attempting to grow"
<teamcoltra> It should have both a PNC representative and an alternate, who must both be active members. The state must not miss PNC meetings. *<= Sorry Sacha was correct
<teamcoltra> actually
<teamcoltra> no it didn't
<teamcoltra> sorry
<Sacha> Personally, considering the active state of the pnc it would be no biggie to let that tiny technicality slide, plus we can interpret it to me actively involved in the state party if we wish
<teamcoltra> I have to consult QuazarGuy on his score keeping
<teamcoltra> because how i read the minutes, it didn't pass... but I could be wrong?

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<QuazarGuy> it makes sense to me that they be active members of the state
<OrionSteele> sorry got disconnected for some reason
<QuazarGuy> I don't think it was addressed
<teamcoltra> QuazarGuy yeah, but the question is do both have to be active?
<QuazarGuy> I assume president of CAPP would be active
<QuazarGuy> and Orion is talking to us now
<Brady> I withdraw all questions in consideration of time. I have no further questions.
<OrionSteele> he will, i can guarantee that Jake will be available when i am not
<erixoltan> you can always have multiple alternates.
<teamcoltra> actually the rule did pass, 6 to 0 that both must be active at every meeting. (This also applies to every other party too)
<QuazarGuy> I should save time stamps
<teamcoltra> It should have both a PNC representative and an alternate, who must both be active members. The state must not miss PNC meetings. *<= but I believe it means 'both be active members of their party, and that the state itself cannot miss am eeting"
<teamcoltra> that's how I, as the chair of this meeting, will interpret the rule
<teamcoltra> any member can object to my interpretation though
<OrionSteele> i know i haven't been at every meeting, but believe we can make sure we are present
<QuazarGuy> I think that's correct, one of them must be present
<OrionSteele> the rule looks like we might want to get some other active people in here though
<Brady> Washington also interprets it thus.

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<Brady> However, it may require more clarity in the language.
<teamcoltra> This rule would actually mean all full members would have to be deranked if interepreted the other way
<Brady> This can be taken into account during in the Constitutional draft
<teamcoltra> except maybe Washington
<teamcoltra> Anyway, so yeah, any more questions for OrionSteele?
<teamcoltra> or would we like to vote on their admittance?
<erixoltan> I would like to move that we vote on the motion.

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<Rush> I do have a question for him, but would rather take it to IM chat

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<@kusanagi_mobi> Sorry I keep dropping guys
<teamcoltra> Rush do you want a quick recess to do so?
<Rush> No, we can do it as the meeting goes on
<teamcoltra> Awesome so it has been moved to vote on Californias Pirate Party be admitted into the PNC. Is there any objections to this motion?
<teamcoltra> (one sec)
<teamcoltra> I am going to preface this vote for a second as I am considering this a "Major Vote", so I would like to make sure everyone is aware of exactly what they are voting on, and what instructions they have for voting.

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<teamcoltra> It is my place to remind everyone that it is up to the discretion of every state whether to adopt a new member or not, it is also up to each and every one of you individually to decide if the party has met the burdens which have been set forth in the rules
<teamcoltra> By voting "aye" below you will be giving approval to the MIPP to be given full voting rights as well as voice in these meetings and will become your peer. This /can/ be revoked later by majority vote, but this should be used as an extreme measure.
<teamcoltra> The motion is now on the floor, if you are in favour of PPCA becoming a full recognized member of the PNC vote aye. If you are against it, vote Nay. Ayes must outnumber both Nay and Abstentions (as is normal).
<teamcoltra> The vote must get 50% + 1 to pass
<QuazarGuy> hold on
<teamcoltra> QuazarGuy?
<QuazarGuy> MIPP?
<teamcoltra> Whoops, copy/pasted thought I switched the mall
<teamcoltra> Please read any instance of MIPP to be PPCA
<Sacha> LOL
<itspara> Yeah... I was about to point that out myself
<Brady> Sacha switched your packets.
<teamcoltra> Order please, let us vote.
<teamcoltra> (you can tease me after :) )
<Brady> Will the Chair please reiterate the vote with the correct subjects?
<teamcoltra> The vote on the floor wasn't impacted by the previous statement, because the last paragraph clarifies the motion on the floor
<Rush> what
<teamcoltra> However, I will reiterate anyway for clearity because it is an important vote
<teamcoltra> The motion is now on the floor, if you are in favour of PPCA becoming a full recognized member of the PNC vote aye. If you are against it, vote Nay. Ayes must outnumber both Nay and Abstentions (as is normal).
<Sacha> Yeah, i'm wiley
<Brady> Aye
<Rush> aye
<Sacha> aye
<jarod_> aye
<erixoltan> aye
<MrSquared> aye
<itspara> Aye
<teamcoltra> kusanagi_mobi

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<teamcoltra> kusanagi - do you have a vote?
<teamcoltra> Okay then I am calling it.
<teamcoltra> QuazarGuy can you provide the official total?
<QuazarGuy> 6 for

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<teamcoltra> Congratulations to California in being our newest member of the PNC
<@kusanagi> YAY
<@kusanagi> !deop

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<OrionSteele> yay thank you!! very happy to be part of the PNC
<Sacha> yaaay!
<erixoltan> hooray
<jarod_> i have to go, ill be mobile but not sure how active i can be matuck please take over if you can
<teamcoltra> jarod_ matuck wasn't here a bit ago
<jarod_> i see him logged in, again ill be online but i will be slow to respond
<teamcoltra> QuazarGuy for voting purposes, would it make it easier for you if we gave half ops to each of the full members and voices to the at-large members?
<QuazarGuy> yeah
<QuazarGuy> only half-op one rep from each state

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<Brady> !halfop teamcoltra
<Brady> Hmm
<Brady> !op

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<@Brady> !halfop teamcoltra

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<kusanagi> It's hop
<@teamcoltra> !hop Rush
<Rush> what
<@teamcoltra> lol Brady it's broken
<Rush> !hop
<kusanagi> !op

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<@teamcoltra> !voice Rush

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v Rush

<@kusanagi> Hmm
<+Rush> pancakes?
<@teamcoltra> maybe it doesn't do half ops?
<@Brady> Looks like.
<QuazarGuy> voice the states and leave at-larges alone

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<@teamcoltra> !voice MrSquared

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v MrSquared >>> kusanagi sets mode +v OrionSteele

<@teamcoltra> !voice Jarod

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v Jarod

<@teamcoltra> Okay
<@teamcoltra> Does that look about right?
<@kusanagi> !deop

>>> ChanServ sets mode -o kusanagi

<kusanagi> Yep
<@teamcoltra> !voice kusanagi

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v kusanagi

<+kusanagi> No
<QuazarGuy> Brady
<+kusanagi> Zac is taking over
<+kusanagi> Well, next week, anyway
<@Brady> !deop

>>> ChanServ sets mode -o Brady

<@teamcoltra> This is only temporary
<@teamcoltra> !voice Brady

>>> ChanServ sets mode +v Brady

<+kusanagi> Oh
<+kusanagi> Depr
<@teamcoltra> Anyway, okay sorry about that guys, just wanted to make it a little asier
<+OrionSteele> it's fine, now we have + marks :)
<@teamcoltra> So the next order of business is the constitutional committee
<+kusanagi> Yep
<Sacha> Can I still talk?
<@teamcoltra> Sacha only if someone moves it
<@teamcoltra> and it passes
<@teamcoltra> I didn't see any emails on the SAB for people accepting their nomination
<Sacha> I meant due to +
<@teamcoltra> last week in the meeting Rush, Zac, and Brady all accepted (the later by proxy)
<+kusanagi> Dan has also accepted
<@teamcoltra> Was that emailed to the board?
<+Rush> Were we supposed to acknowledge it via SAB?
<@teamcoltra> Well it was said to confirm your nomination by Sunday
<@teamcoltra> You already confirmed
<@teamcoltra> The reason we did that was so that states could all go back to their members and ask who they supported most for the position
<@teamcoltra> We can either extend this out for one more week, or vote on the 3 people who we all knew accepted last week.
<+erixoltan> sorry, what is the exact motion?
<@teamcoltra> erixoltan it's not a motion, we are voting on the two co-chairs to be in charge of the constitutional committee
<+erixoltan> ok thanks
<+Brady> I motion to allow Sacha to briefly make a comment on the vote.
<@teamcoltra> However, we have to decide what we are going to do (and this will require a motion)
<@teamcoltra> Brady has moved to allow Sacha to make a brief (no more than a couple lines) statement on the vote
<@teamcoltra> all in favour?
<+Brady> Aye.
<+MrSquared> aye
<+erixoltan> aye
<@teamcoltra> I believe we now need 4 votes for quorum
<+Rush> aye
<@teamcoltra> Thank you.
<@teamcoltra> Sacha go ahead
<Sacha> Last week this was discussed so late that no clear plan was agreed upon before adjourning for the night. Simply "confirm by sunday" on Saturday I sent out an email to the board requesting further instruction and recieved nothing back. I think we should keep that in mind before ruling on whether or not we cut out the people that were not confirmed last meeting.
<Sacha> That's all/done

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<OrionSteele_> wanted to say aye