PNC 11/1/20

Agenda

Reports

Outreach

• Election night live stream

Decision

• Approve USPP Proposed Discord Rules yari created

Attending

• Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Treasurer, Massachusetts
• Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice Chair WI
• jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Secretary, Massachusetts
• Bosun: Joseph Klein USPP chair

Non-Voting

• Olivia__: Olivia Kristiann, PPI volunteer
• pmchi: Mitch Davilo - Observer IL

Minutes

Record of the meeting

 



[9:03pm] Bosun: Yes - Please identify.
[9:03pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Treasurer, Massachusetts
[9:03pm] Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice Chair WI
[9:04pm] Olivia__: Olivia Kristiann, PPI volunteer
[9:04pm] pmchi: Mitch Davilo - Observer IL
[9:04pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Secretary, Massachusetts
[9:04pm] Bosun: Joseph Klein USPP chair
[9:05pm] jokeefe: Nothing to report on IT.
[9:05pm] jokeefe: We got the live stream setup and ready to go live
[9:05pm] Bosun: Mitch is invited to our broadcast.
[9:06pm] Bosun: aka pmchi
[9:06pm] Joe: Olivia_ did a really good introduction video
[9:06pm] Bosun: great
[9:06pm] jokeefe: Having Aaron speak was a nice touch
[9:06pm] Olivia__: Thank you!
[9:06pm] Bosun: URL?
[9:07pm] jokeefe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpvRgpvqSE4
[9:07pm] Joe: stream link:
[9:07pm] Olivia__: The press release too and I already sent it to the channels and international ones too I go to.  https://blog.pirate-party.us/live-presidential-election-night-coverage-brought-to-you-by-the-united-states-and-massachusetts-pirate-parties-on-tuesday-november-3rd-2/
[9:07pm] Joe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB7G8FGAYRk
[9:07pm] papegaai: Title: LIVE Presidential Election Night coverage brought to you by the United States and Massachusetts Pirate Parties on Tuesday, November 3rd! | United States Pirate Party (at blog.pirate-party.us)
[9:08pm] Bosun: fantastic
[9:08pm] Olivia__: Bailey will be there 8 - 9:30 before leaving for work.
[9:09pm] pmchi left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
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[9:09pm] jokeefe: great
[9:09pm] Bosun: The sign up url {for mitch}
[9:09pm] Sayyida: its beautiful Olivia__
[9:10pm] Olivia__: Thank you that means a lot!
[9:11pm] Bosun: [redacted]
[9:11pm] papegaai: Title: Etherpad (at etherpad.pp-international.net)
[9:12pm] pmchi: Got it bookmarked and ready for Tuesday
[9:13pm] Sayyida: I just pestered keith. Hopefully he will pop in
[9:13pm] Olivia__: That's great!  I was going to ask bailey if she would ask him.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: Great. How late should we go?
[9:14pm] Sayyida: I have no clue jokeefe
[9:15pm] Olivia__: International will be asleep or just waking up.  How about breakfast during the aftermath of the night before?  Check to see if anyone yet has contacted hello@pirate-party.us and info@masspirates.org for co-hosting and guest appearances.
[9:15pm] jokeefe: Joe needs to go to sleep sometime
[9:15pm] Sayyida: Olivia__, I have his cell, figured id text, not sure if that number is on though ill fire it off facebook
[9:15pm] Joe: unfortunately I am under quarantine again so I can moderate but being active will be difficult.
[9:15pm] Bosun: It could be a long night if we wait for a concession speech.
[9:16pm] Sayyida: yikes do you have covid-19 joe?
[9:16pm] Sayyida: Bosun, are we going to wait for a concession speech?
[9:16pm] Olivia__: Will Mitch co-host too?
[9:16pm] jokeefe: California closes at 11pm Eastern, I believe.
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[9:17pm] jokeefe: Don’t expect Alaska or Hawaii will shift in anyway
[9:17pm] Bosun: I am willing to go to as late as we can broadcast.
[9:17pm] Joe: plan on 11:30 then?
[9:18pm] Bosun: ET?
[9:18pm] Joe: Aye
[9:18pm] Sayyida: Joe, sorry to hear that
[9:19pm] Bosun: OK - you have the plug.
[9:19pm] Joe: ty, but really means more time with boys and fresh air.
[9:19pm] jokeefe:
[9:20pm] Joe: so anyone with access to the youtube account can handle the stream.
[9:20pm] Olivia__: Joe has Covid??
[9:20pm] Bosun: Let's discuss discord rules.
[9:20pm] Joe: no, well unconfirmed.
[9:21pm] jokeefe: hopefully not
[9:21pm] Joe: baby may have been exposed, test is tomorrow.
[9:21pm] Sayyida: oh i thought your aye was confirming what i asked Joe .
[9:21pm] Bosun: He is in quarantine.
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[9:21pm] Joe: I am quarantined for public safety.
[9:22pm] Sayyida: well it sucks, I have asthma all over again and now a heart condition
[9:22pm] Bosun: Science says household spread is fast and complete.
[9:22pm] Joe: O no, you have to be extra careful.
[9:22pm] Sayyida: take it seriously, don't hurt yourself and others
[9:22pm] Bosun: She had it.
[9:22pm] Sayyida: yea Joe i HAD it
[9:23pm] Sayyida: we all did back in January most likely
[9:23pm] Olivia__: OMG!  How was Sebastian??
[9:23pm] Sayyida: that's when I lost my sense of smell in February but yea
[9:23pm] Sayyida: Olivia__, little cough but happy as normal
[9:23pm] Sayyida: fever for a day?
[9:24pm] jokeefe: oh no
[9:24pm] Sayyida: Bosun, was laid out in bed and it was bad
[9:24pm] Sayyida: 'he got it the worst, I just had the longest lingering symptoms
[9:24pm] Bosun: Rules
[9:24pm] Sayyida: I had a week long antibody test, it was positive. so if that was, then we all had it
[9:25pm] Sayyida: yes Discord rules!
[9:25pm] Bosun: https://wiki.pirate-party.us/Proposed_Discord_Rules
[9:25pm] papegaai: Title: Proposed Discord Rules - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
[9:25pm] Sayyida: Please Read
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[9:25pm] jokeefe: comments on it?
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[9:26pm] Sayyida: My only is to kick in some line about NOT WILLINGLY SPREADING MISINFORMATION
[9:26pm] Sayyida: but we'd have to decide what is and what's not
[9:26pm] pmchi: ^
[9:26pm] Sayyida: that can be tricky.
[9:26pm] Bosun: That is rather subjective.
[9:27pm] Sayyida: yea it is and that's hard
[9:27pm] Sayyida: I mean was wayfair selling kids in boxes?
[9:27pm] Joe: lets put the power to kick in someone's hands that doesn't want it.
[9:27pm] jokeefe: Guessing no
[9:27pm] Sayyida: or is there really a pandemic?
[9:27pm] Sayyida: do masks work?
[9:27pm] Bosun: How about we pass them. We can always amend.
[9:28pm] Sayyida: obviously misinformation
[9:28pm] Joe: I have no issues with the rules as presented.
[9:28pm] Sayyida: but people actually believe that
[9:29pm] pmchi: I suppose you can't stop people from believing it, but if they are spamming their believe and unwilling to budge on it, it's possible they're just trolling and would be easier to monitor
[9:29pm] Joe: The misinformation part would be too subjective to lock down so we should sent any issues to arbitration and give it due process.
[9:30pm] pmchi: Having specific channels for certain debate issues can at least contain the problem?
[9:30pm] jokeefe: Respect boundaries and accept no as an answer - seems ambiguous.
[9:30pm] Sayyida: might help
[9:30pm] Sayyida: just shun it and it goes away
[9:30pm] Bosun: That was an old Usenet ploy - split the channel in two.
[9:31pm] Sayyida: thought that was biblical
[9:31pm] Bosun: Not baby.
[9:31pm] Sayyida: look, there's respect and then there's quanon
[9:31pm] Sayyida: I don't want to give idiots a platform
[9:31pm] jokeefe: Agreed
[9:32pm] Sayyida: Bosun, is complaining to me
[9:32pm] Joe: idiot is a subjective term as well.
[9:32pm] Bosun: Where would we add that?
[9:32pm] Sayyida: we need to vote in the rules as is
[9:32pm] jokeefe: How about “Respect personal boundaries and accept no as an answer.” - ?
[9:32pm] Sayyida: yes, idiot is subjective but what would you call it?
[9:32pm] Bosun: OK please move the rules
[9:33pm] Joe: I would call it idiots 
[9:33pm] pmchi: "No Personal Attacks"
[9:33pm] Olivia__: "Don't do anything stupid"
[9:33pm] Sayyida: but Olivia__  thats "subjective"
[9:34pm] Olivia__: How about silly?
[9:34pm] Sayyida: i agree to disagree and accept vague no or *i don't feel the same*
[9:34pm] Sayyida: hahaha
[9:34pm] jokeefe: Suggest: Changing item 6 in the first list to- No Personal Attacks: Respect personal boundaries and accept no as an answer.
[9:34pm] Bosun: How about we make an FAQ with how to not be a jerk?
[9:34pm] Joe: we are not going to get it perfect, instead as Bosun suggests we should look at this as a living document and update it accordingly.
[9:34pm] Olivia__: "agree to disagree"
[9:35pm] Sayyida: sounds good. Bosun I wrote it already
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Motion to change item 6 in the first list to- No Personal Attacks: Respect personal boundaries and accept no as an answer.
[9:35pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:35pm] Joe: strive for perfection but do not expect it.
[9:35pm] Sayyida: swecond
[9:35pm] Bosun: any objections to passing it as is?
[9:36pm] Joe: well spoken Jokeefe.
[9:36pm] jokeefe: thanks, Sayyida & pmchi
[9:36pm] Sayyida: because perfection i the enemy of done, but not having expectations is garbage level treatment for yourself
[9:36pm] Bosun: Ok - with ammendments.
[9:36pm] Sayyida: Wisconsin votes in favor
[9:36pm] jokeefe: I am fine with it, but I have a motion to refine item 6
[9:37pm] Bosun: Let the secretary add the ammendments.
[9:37pm] pmchi: I recommend a documentation channel. Transparency to show those in the serve what will get you a ban
[9:37pm] pmchi: ie. Screenshots of comments that got a user kicked
[9:37pm] jokeefe: Did we have a vote on the amendment?
[9:37pm] Sayyida: yes
[9:37pm] Sayyida: well at least wisconsin did
[9:38pm] jokeefe: Joe, does Mass. agree?
[9:38pm] Bosun: Do we accept the ammendment.
[9:38pm] Joe: Aye
[9:38pm] Bosun: Then it passes.
[9:39pm] jokeefe: Any other amendments?
[9:39pm] Sayyida: no
[9:39pm] Olivia__: Just go through what you no who had done what she did to inspire the writing of these Discord rules.
[9:40pm] Bosun: Do you accept it as amended?
[9:40pm] Olivia__: Me?  I didn't know I had a say because I'm not a member.  Yes I accept.
[9:40pm] jokeefe: Proposed USPP Discord moderation structure - who elects the Server Operator and the Arbiter?
[9:41pm] Bosun: two ayes and we are done.
[9:41pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:41pm] Sayyida: wisconsin votes in favor of the rules with the one amendment
[9:41pm] jokeefe: who elects the Server Operator and the Arbiter?
[9:41pm] Bosun: sate your ammendment.
[9:41pm] jokeefe: It isn’t spelled out
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[9:42pm] Joe: I would assume that would be left to the states as they would be offical posts
[9:42pm] Sayyida: its 8:42p we are 12 min past
[9:42pm] jokeefe: There are only two for the national Discord
[9:42pm] Bosun: The Server Operator will be appointed by the PNC
[9:43pm] Sayyida: are we done or not
[9:43pm] jokeefe: Sorry missed that
[9:43pm] jokeefe: thanks
[9:43pm] Joe: motion for additional time.
[9:43pm] jokeefe: No objections
[9:43pm] Sayyida: WHAT ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT
[9:43pm] jokeefe: Looks good, lets pass it
[9:43pm] Sayyida: there are 2 extra subjects either describe in detail or get it done
[9:44pm] Joe: nothing, take my updoot
[9:44pm] Sayyida: Motion to pass the rules as is want the #6 amendment
[9:44pm] Sayyida: with*