PNC 10/28/19

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  1. Offical Mission Statement
  2. Website & Email updates
  3. Overall direction of the party.






Record of the meeting


[9:02pm] Pirate_Joe: ids
[9:02pm] SamHouston joined the chat room.
[9:02pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Captain, MA
[9:02pm] OGPAF: Johann Drolshagen, Webmaster, California
[9:03pm] jokeefe: ahoy
[9:03pm] Pirate_Joe: ahoy jokeefe
[9:03pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Scribe, MA
[9:03pm] OGPAF: welcome Sam
[9:03pm] SamHouston: Thanks
[9:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Ahoy SamHouston!
[9:03pm] SamHouston: Ahoy!
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Agenda at
[9:04pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 10/28/19 - United States Pirate Party (at
[9:04pm] Pirate_Joe: Would anyone like to add to the agenda?
[9:05pm] OGPAF: all good here
[9:05pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:06pm] Pirate_Joe: what would you like to add jokeefe?
[9:07pm] jokeefe: no, I am good
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Ok, thank you.
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: To start, I wanted to focus on building the structure by which we operation.  Much like any good plan, I want to focus first one the general overview first and set specific obtainable goals. From there, we can include all the steps to achieve those goals.  This brings us to our overall mission statement.
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: We need to keep this short and sweet if possible.
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: In 30 words or less, who are we and what do we fight for?
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: True democracy? Free internet? Drinks with baby umbrellas?
[9:09pm] OGPAF: Here is a place to start...
[9:09pm] OGPAF: feel free to edit - I was just riffing
[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: Hmm, that is a good to expand upon, however what I am looking for is one or two sentences that contain the very essence of who we are as a party.
[9:12pm] Pirate_Joe: Let me add this, which is what I have been working on.
[9:12pm] OGPAF: social media contest?
[9:12pm] OGPAF: cool
[9:12pm] SamHouston: Right to repairs, arms, speech, navigation, and Information?
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: We are Pirates, proud and true.  We are Pirates and we fight for you. We are not afraid to stand for what is right, we fight for freedom day and night.
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: Kind of over the top though.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: that could be any party
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:14pm] OGPAF: I need to read it a few more times to see if it sticks
[9:14pm] OGPAF: Sam - I like your brevity
[9:14pm] SamHouston: Thanks
[9:14pm] Pirate_Joe: We are the next evolution of the political system, the melting pot of ideas and the new middle ground.  We accept every walk of life in to our mist.
[9:15pm] OGPAF: like that too
[9:15pm] OGPAF: mist = midst - good one
[9:15pm] Pirate_Joe: I agree with you Sam, but is there a way to say that so it is commonly understood?
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: Not everyone will understand the right to repair as we do.
[9:16pm] OGPAF: small change up...Sam, what brought you, or would bring more of you?
[9:17pm] SamHouston: I think many are disillusioned with the libertarian party, I suppose I saw some of that concept in the idea of piracy
[9:18pm] OGPAF: more forceful? in concept
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: I am one of those disillusioned, that was the party I came from.
[9:18pm] jokeefe: Right of repair is ultimately about control over what we use. The issue of control is the biggest component
[9:18pm] SamHouston: I would expect a pirate party to be less on the fence
[9:19pm] jokeefe: sharing is caring
[9:19pm] SamHouston: Libertarians are not united in any real meaningful way, the recent convention was sad.
[9:19pm] SamHouston: Im thinking this could be more organized.
[9:19pm] OGPAF: I hope so
[9:20pm] jokeefe: trying
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: My view on it is that we seek to push true democracy by supporting individual autonomy and all the rights that stem from that, such as the right of repair, etc.
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: We could use our stance on an indiviuals rights to be individuals as the backbone of our mission statement.
[9:21pm] SamHouston: We should take the defined positions from other partied and draw lines at where we stand on each. Would be my best assumption.
[9:21pm] SamHouston: parties*
[9:21pm] SamHouston: Vote on the stances between members.
[9:21pm] SamHouston: Ratify the positions.
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: I agree, however for a mission statement we should still be fairly broad in our approach.  The idea is to catch the public's attention.
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: *we elect
[9:22pm] SamHouston: It seems hard to have a mission statement with no hills to defend.
[9:22pm] jokeefe: Pushing expanding democracy is a pirate focus
[9:22pm] jokeefe: agreed SamHouston
[9:22pm] OGPAF: I agree on both points - as soon as you see our P4 articles you will see how I have worked in the juxtaposition.
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: Well, we do have our hills to stand on my friend.
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: SamHouston
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: Right to repairs, arms, speech, navigation, and Information?
[9:23pm] SamHouston: Sounds good to me
[9:23pm] jokeefe: I created
[9:23pm] jokeefe: Perhaps we could edit it there
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: Lets open the mission statement to a larger pool than just us by sending it to the mailing list as well.
[9:24pm] jokeefe: +!
[9:24pm] jokeefe: +1
[9:24pm] OGPAF: social media contest
[9:24pm] jokeefe: sab list would be a good place to start
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: 2nd to the sab list
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor?
[9:25pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:25pm] Pirate_Joe: aye
[9:25pm] OGPAF: aye
[9:25pm] jokeefe: start there and expand
[9:25pm] jokeefe: perhaps
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: We push for pure democracy SamHouston, though you are new here I would like to hear your thoughts on this as well.
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Also, jokeefe, do you have the link for the SAB signups?
[9:26pm] SamHouston: What's a sab list?
[9:26pm] jokeefe: Sign up at
[9:26pm] papegaai: Title: Subscribe to a Mailing List (at
[9:26pm] SamHouston: ah
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: SAB mailing list the we send national level pirate information on.
[9:27pm] jokeefe: We need to move that elsewhere
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: That brings us to
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: 2) Website & Email updates
[9:28pm] SamHouston: I can help with hosting if needed.
[9:28pm] OGPAF: got it on GCP
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: I know that we have been having issues with the old sight as well as the email list
[9:28pm] OGPAF: I have a new MailChimp collecting new emails as well
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: We have been using an opensource CRM to do the mailing lists but I have had little time to work on it of late.
[9:29pm] jokeefe: What do you want to do with it?
[9:29pm] Pirate_Joe: OGPAF, have you signed up at
[9:29pm] Pirate_Joe:
[9:30pm] OGPAF: screwed that up - didn't realize it was .org
[9:30pm] OGPAF: was trying at .us
[9:30pm] OGPAF: will do now
[9:31pm] Pirate_Joe: We are at time, motion to extend our meeting until done.
[9:31pm] OGPAF: 2nd
[9:32pm] Pirate_Joe: all in favor?
[9:32pm] jokeefe: Personally, I am sick, but ok
[9:32pm] SamHouston: Aye
[9:32pm] OGPAF: aye
[9:32pm] Pirate_Joe: aye
[9:32pm] Pirate_Joe: the Aye's have it.
[9:33pm] OGPAF: in re website - I have all fed elections thru Minnesota loaded
[9:33pm] OGPAF: rest should ne in this week
[9:33pm] Pirate_Joe: please sign up for both the crew and the SAB list.  We are currently using the SAB list for interstate communications but the hope is that long term we will simply use the website OGPAF is working on or the CRM to contact everyone.
[9:34pm] OGPAF: done
[9:34pm] SamHouston: done
[9:34pm] Pirate_Joe: I saw the crew come through for you OGPAF, I'll be on the lookout for yours SamHouston.
[9:35pm] Pirate_Joe: So we are moving forward on both the website and the email list.  Jokeefe, you said we have to move the SAB list.  Please explain it like I'm five. <3
[9:36pm] jokeefe: It would be better to bring it in house
[9:36pm] jokeefe: It is hosted by another pirate party
[9:36pm] SamHouston: Filled the contact card not the account, done
[9:36pm] Pirate_Joe: SamHouston, your from Texas, correct?
[9:36pm] SamHouston: Yes
[9:37pm] SamHouston: Houston
[9:37pm] OGPAF: and, you want to start a chapter there, right?
[9:37pm] Pirate_Joe: We will try to get a list in crew for you to contact everyone from TX. There should be one started already in TX actually but it may need some updating.
[9:38pm] SamHouston: Yes, that or to get involved with what's already here.
[9:38pm] OGPAF: do both - did Megan ever find out if CA is still active - I have some interns that would love to spin one up
[9:39pm] Pirate_Joe: Jokeefe, is there a way to import the SAB mailing list to MailChimp that OGPAF was talking about?
[9:39pm] OGPAF: and I need a test case for a chapter to take over their own site off of the main platform
[9:39pm] jokeefe: Mailchip = crew
[9:39pm] jokeefe: mailchimp is not a discussion list
[9:40pm] OGPAF:
[9:40pm] Pirate_Joe: Just an emailing list.
[9:40pm] jokeefe: We can export the users
[9:40pm] SamHouston: Nice
[9:40pm] jokeefe: need to figure out how to get the messages out though
[9:41pm] OGPAF: Joe(s) are you wanting a forum?
[9:41pm] OGPAF: I can do blasts easily enough
[9:41pm] Pirate_Joe: Perhaps when I have a free weekend, I'll come down and buy you lunch so we can figure it out.
[9:42pm] Pirate_Joe: I would like to get a forum going for open discussions but I think existing models will work better.  We could use Reddit for example and make a /rPiratesParty discussion board.
[9:42pm] SamHouston: Nice idea
[9:43pm] jokeefe: I think we might be better served figuring this out over a call or email
[9:44pm] Pirate_Joe: Which brings us to the final topic on tonights agenda. The overall direction of the Pirate Party
[9:44pm] OGPAF: already posting there
[9:44pm] papegaai: Title: Pirate Party (at
[9:45pm] OGPAF: I agree with leaving the conversation off of the site - more momentum
[9:45pm] Pirate_Joe: As you all can see, there is a lot of open territory for us to cover and a lot of different directions we can go.
[9:45pm] OGPAF: yup
[9:46pm] Pirate_Joe: What I would like to focus on is the structure of how we focus on each key point that is important to us and make it into something that everyone wants to have in their life.
[9:47pm] SamHouston: Has there been a Pirate convention? Is there a list of policy stances that exist, the website shows lots of topics but no real position for most.
[9:47pm] Pirate_Joe: In being in sales for so many years, I have come to understand that the only time someone buys something is when it suits the best interest to those involved(esp themselves)
[9:47pm] OGPAF: agreed
[9:48pm] Pirate_Joe: SamHouston, Actually, that was what we were working on at the end of last session.
[9:48pm] OGPAF: convention - for PPI, yes
[9:48pm] SamHouston: Awesome
[9:48pm] Pirate_Joe: I hope this week I have a free moment to make it to the bank and open at National Pirate bank account.
[9:48pm] Pirate_Joe: With that, we could hold a yearly rally down in Washington D.C. and get in some light protesting as well!
[9:49pm] OGPAF: here is the content structure that I am proposing for the P4 Articles [Pirate Party Position Papers]
[9:49pm] SamHouston: Excellent. What kind of leg work is left with registering with the EC?
[9:50pm] Pirate_Joe: OGPAF, could you reroute the join the crew function to the
[9:50pm] OGPAF: sure
[9:51pm] jokeefe: I believe we need a bank account first.
[9:51pm] SamHouston: Yes
[9:51pm] OGPAF: but it won't give the roles and permissions to vote on the site
[9:51pm] SamHouston:
[9:51pm] papegaai: Title: Registering as a political party | FEC (at
[9:51pm] OGPAF: would be easier to copy the crew db rather than redirect
[9:52pm] OGPAF: if the CRM has an api I can make it automatic
[9:52pm] Pirate_Joe: I have no issue with either so long as it works in the end. Lets put it to the SAB list this week and vote on it next week.
[9:53pm] jokeefe: Better to host CiviCRM rather than pull the data
[9:54pm] Pirate_Joe: crew.uspirates is CiviCRM, correcT?
[9:54pm] jokeefe: correct
[9:54pm] OGPAF: Civi has an api, I just need access and creds
[9:55pm] Pirate_Joe: It does need some updates but overall it works fairly well.
[9:55pm] jokeefe: Ok to move the data over, but doesn’t make sense to have two systems
[9:55pm] OGPAF: whomever is hosting may just need to pass me a key
[9:55pm] OGPAF: actually it makes a lot of sense once I show you the functionality
[9:55pm] jokeefe: Not sure what is being proposed
[9:57pm] Pirate_Joe: For now, could you just copy the list and perhaps do a demonstration later on?
[9:57pm] OGPAF: just passing an email via a handler to the Civi api
[9:57pm] OGPAF: CRM
[9:58pm] OGPAF: I'll know more once I see the inside of crew... myself
[9:58pm] Pirate_Joe: As far as the overall direction, for the time-being I would like to focus on the basics of whom we are and what we stand for.  I would like to both distinqish why we are so different than any other party that came before us.
[9:59pm] OGPAF: agreed
[9:59pm] Pirate_Joe: One of the key parts that I have noticed with us is that we seem to be the melting pot of the political parties. I have seen Libs, Dems, Greens, and even a Repub or two come through.
[10:00pm] OGPAF: looking for a home
[10:00pm] SamHouston: sounds familiar
[10:00pm] Pirate_Joe: A few members of Anifa and Anarchs have joined us too.  There is something that speaks to the American psyche. We all have a bit of Pirate in us since we were born.
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: That call to freedom that we are all willing to do what it takes to ensure the freedom for generations.
[10:02pm] OGPAF: I can add their logos to this diagram if you like...
[10:02pm] jokeefe: Perhaps this should be discussed over sab or on a call as a start?
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: Even now we feel the pressure of the powers the be closing in on our freedoms to do as we please.  Where its something we bought, our speech, our rights to love, or so many more. We know that they will continue to chip away at our hard earned rights.
[10:03pm] Pirate_Joe: That is all I have for tonight.  Sorry if I got a bit carried away.
[10:03pm] OGPAF: love it
[10:03pm] SamHouston: Agreed
[10:03pm] OGPAF: all good here
[10:04pm] OGPAF: move to end
[10:04pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[10:05pm] Pirate_Joe: Lets leave it at that and plan on meeting next week to continue this discussion. Can we email a link to the notes in the SAB and request everyone review it.
[10:05pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor to end?
[10:05pm] OGPAF: aye
[10:05pm] SamHouston: Aye
[10:05pm] Pirate_Joe: aye
[10:05pm] jokeefe: aye
[10:05pm] OGPAF left the chat room. (Quit:
[10:06pm] jokeefe: Posted notes at
[10:06pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 10/28/19 - United States Pirate Party (at
[10:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Good night, please feel free to reach out to me at any time via email.
[10:07pm] SamHouston: Night all