PNC 10/07/19

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  • Bank Account Status


  • Nominations for officer positions due today, but no announcement has been sent. Should we push it back?


  • Sayyida: megan klein chair WI
  • Bosun: Joseph Klein, Wisconsin
  • jokeefe: James O’Keefe, MA
  • Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Vice-Chair, MA
  • designanddraft: elisa miller, mo


Still looking for a bank that:

  • a national footprint or ability for anyone anywhere to tend the account
  • something without massive fees or charges
  • somebody that does not look at me crosseyed because I say pirate

Pushed the date by which nominations are due to 10/14 since we haven't posted a notice about the election and that nominations are open. Pirate_Joe will post to SAB list and on blog. Expect that the election will be moved to 10/21.

jokeefe will create an activists list.

Adopted Ranked Choice Voting ( for this election. Should put it into the Bylaws.


Record of the meeting


[9:02pm] Sayyida: lets start the meeting
[9:02pm] Sayyida: megan klein chair WI
[9:02pm] jokeefe: sorry to hear that
[9:02pm] Bosun: Joseph Klein, Wisconsin
[9:02pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, MA
[9:02pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Vice-Chair, MA
[9:02pm] designanddraft: elisa miller, mo
[9:03pm] Sayyida: Bosun, can you give us the update on the bank account
[9:03pm] Sayyida: I know we are struggling because of our name, but lets bring that up
[9:04pm] jokeefe: how so?
[9:04pm] Bosun: I should hang myself from the yardarm. OK - So far I have been looking at banks - and I am trying to find one with:
[9:04pm] Bosun: * a national footprint or ability for anyone anywhere to tend the account
[9:05pm] Bosun: * something without massive fees or charges
[9:05pm] Bosun: * somebody that does not look at me crosseyed because I say pirate
[9:06pm] Sayyida: currenlty the 2 banks we have looked at have given us either massive fees or shown us the door because we are pirates
[9:06pm] Bosun: So far bankers have been a problem - when we stay away from the big ones - with have large feed
[9:06pm] Bosun: Which ... yeah
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Jokeefe or I can get it done. I'll look for an opportunity this week to do so.
[9:07pm] Sayyida: the smaller ones want to more or less stay away and the bigger ones are asking 15-20 for monthly fees for not having x ammount in the bank
[9:07pm] Bosun: So the current application is with a national bank with good review - that does startups and has no brick and mortar beaches,
[9:07pm] Pirate_Joe: My banks already know my crazy and accepted it long ago.
[9:07pm] Sayyida: Pirate_Joe, hahaha
[9:08pm] Bosun: Allo
[9:08pm] jokeefe: MAPP has used two banks so far without problem
[9:08pm] jokeefe: might be just Mass. banks
[9:08pm] jokeefe: which are more regional
[9:08pm] Sayyida: Bosun, azlo
[9:09pm] Bosun: Sorry ... correction
[9:09pm] Sayyida: we had no problem with UWM credit union, but that is university wisconsin (milwaukee) credit union
[9:09pm] Pirate_Joe: So long as we have online access and cards, there's no worries.
[9:09pm] Sayyida: very very specific to regions
[9:09pm] Sayyida: *nods*
[9:10pm] Bosun: The internet bank does the accost stuff without a branch visit.
[9:10pm] Bosun: account
[9:10pm] Bosun: Ok I can't type tonight
[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: My point is that a regional bank that you already know will not give you problems.
[9:11pm] Sayyida: too much rum sweetie?
[9:11pm] Bosun: No rum yet
[9:11pm] Sayyida: Pirate_Joe, good point
[9:11pm] Sayyida: faces to people and less risk for side eye
[9:11pm] Bosun: Yes but we can't be regional.
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Getting signatures will probably require a notary for people who cannot appear at a branch
[9:12pm] Sayyida: not a problem on our end if that is what you need
[9:12pm] Bosun: I the long run any state should be able to pick up the baton
[9:12pm] jokeefe: ideally
[9:12pm] Pirate_Joe: That is fine, we can swap banks then. Not like there is a shortage of them.
[9:12pm] Sayyida: hahaha
[9:13pm] Bosun: I seriously thing that is shortsighted.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: whatelse is on the agenda?
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: I will be happy to set something up this week.
[9:14pm] Pirate_Joe: Nominations are due?
[9:14pm] Sayyida: Pirate_Joe, we have to give nominations
[9:14pm] Sayyida: lol yep!
[9:14pm] jokeefe: Yes, have we ever announced that nominations are open?
[9:14pm] Sayyida: we have not yet
[9:14pm] Sayyida: I think we should open the doors and start
[9:14pm] Pirate_Joe: Did we not send out to the sab?
[9:15pm] Sayyida: no not yet, we were having the interview last week and such
[9:15pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion to delay voting by one week and send to the sab.
[9:16pm] Bosun: 2nd
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor?
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:16pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:16pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:16pm] Bosun: Aye
[9:16pm] designanddraft: aye
[9:16pm] Pirate_Joe: Nays?
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: The ayes have it!
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: I should be able to do that myself.
[9:17pm] Sayyida: oki!
[9:17pm] jokeefe: thank you
[9:18pm] Sayyida: thank you very much Pirate_Joe
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: If it is ok with you, I'll try and create an activist list for the national level so we can send out weekly updates.
[9:18pm] Sayyida: sounds like a plan
[9:18pm] jokeefe: We have
[9:19pm] Sayyida: we are a little over half way done
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: Me and jokeefe were working on it but I have not had a chance to get back in there since.
[9:19pm] jokeefe: I can create an activist list.
[9:19pm] Pirate_Joe: Where should nominations be sent?
[9:19pm] jokeefe: sab / blog
[9:19pm] Sayyida: send them to sab
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: Uspp blog?
[9:20pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: Kk
[9:20pm] Sayyida: 10 min left
[9:20pm] jokeefe:
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: That said, what voting system should we use?
[9:21pm] Sayyida: here I'd say
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: I like the one Steve uses.
[9:21pm] Sayyida: ?
[9:21pm] Bosun: What is that called?
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: Jokeefe?
[9:22pm] Bosun: Ranked voting? Instat runnoff?
[9:22pm] jokeefe: Ranked Choice Voting
[9:22pm] jokeefe: aka Instant Runoff Voting
[9:22pm] Sayyida: *nods*
[9:23pm] jokeefe: Only really needed if we have three or more candidates
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: That way we always have a majority.
[9:23pm] Bosun: Yeah ...  kinda overkill right now.
[9:23pm] Sayyida: a bit, but we might have 2 or more running for the same spot
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: Well, I would like to send out to all the pirates to see what support we could get.
[9:24pm] Bosun: It should be put in the bylaws though.
[9:24pm] jokeefe: lots of open positions
[9:24pm] jokeefe: Agreed.
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: Same thing with MA, should be put in our bylaws too.
[9:25pm] Sayyida: 5 min left
[9:25pm] designanddraft: should have no votes and fill in by voter
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: For the sake of a seemless vote, motion to use Rank choice voting for the next election?
[9:26pm] jokeefe: each state rep votes, so isn’t really secret
[9:26pm] Sayyida: second
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor?
[9:26pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:26pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Against?
[9:26pm] Bosun: aye
[9:27pm] designanddraft: abstain, unfamiliar with product
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: The ayes have it!
[9:28pm] Bosun: Items for next week - I should have an answer from Lazlo by tomorrow - get an inclusive mail list - get the other state to revive - put nominations up on the blog
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: Mail sab list for nominations!
[9:29pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
[9:29pm] Bosun: 2nd
[9:29pm] Sayyida: all in favor
[9:29pm] Bosun: aye
[9:29pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye!
[9:29pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:29pm] jokeefe: designanddraft -
[9:29pm] papegaai: Title: How RCV Works - Voter Choice MA (at
[9:29pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:29pm] designanddraft: thanks
[9:29pm] Sayyida: the ayes have it
[9:29pm] Sayyida: see you all next week
[9:29pm] Pirate_Joe: Or sooner!
[9:29pm] Sayyida: jokeefe, do you have the notes again?
[9:29pm] jokeefe: I will post the notes. good night
[9:29pm] Bosun: Vermont uses ranked voting for the Presidential
[9:30pm] Sayyida: thank you jokeefe
[9:30pm] Sayyida: good night everyone