PNC 10/31/21

Agenda

Discussion

Old Business

• ILPirates suggested motion to reaching out to Rhode Island and Alaska Green Parties, which GP of the US disaffiliated, and ask them to join the USPP. Motion tabled.

Summary

Reports

• IT:
• Platform:
• Outreach:
• Swarmcare:

Minutes

Record of the meeting

 


[9:01pm] Yari: Rose Klein, CA, PNC chair
[9:01pm] pmchi: Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
[9:01pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Massachusetts, Treasurer
[9:01pm] jokeefe_: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts, Secretary
[9:02pm] Bosun: Joe Klein Vice Chair - WI rep until Megan shows up.
[9:02pm] rCarroIl: Scott Walker, Wi, rep #2938383
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[9:03pm] wodensday: W- what? rCarroll
[9:03pm] jokeefe: sorry, I had connection issues
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[9:07pm] Yari: Frank: ID if you want to participate?
[9:07pm] Bosun: No Scott Walker jokes. I know Scott so does Yari.
[9:07pm] Frank: Frank Decapio, West Virginia.
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[9:07pm] rCarroIl: aw man bosun
[9:07pm] Miles_W_PPAU: oh right, does this mean PPAU is hosting half of the international Pirate IRCs now?
[9:07pm] Yari: okay it seems like jokeefe is having internet issues
[9:08pm] Yari: let's move on to platform. Joe?
[9:08pm] jokeefe: sadly
[9:08pm] wodensday: Make sure to ID if you want to participate Miles! Just your name and location
[9:08pm] Yari: Welcome Miles_W_PPAU!
[9:08pm] wodensday: Oh title is also good
[9:08pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts, Secretary
[9:09pm] Joe: I started working on a statement about abortion and only got to line 3. I will seek some help from Jokeefe this week or Malt to get the wording right.
[9:09pm] rCarroIl: malt?
[9:09pm] rCarroIl: MALT
[9:09pm] rCarroIl: isn’t he the same guy who wrote the
[9:10pm] rCarroIl: last one
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[9:10pm] wodensday: Let's try and stay on track, this meeting might be busy.
[9:10pm] Joe: I know a lot of people are waiting on it but I plan on having a much m9re tempered statement than the previous one
[9:11pm] Joe: I also plan on using your documents as part of the source rCarroll
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[9:11pm] rCarroIl: back
[9:12pm] Joe: wodensday
[9:12pm] Joe: 21:12:05
[9:12pm] Miles_W_PPAU: Miles, Brisbane, Australia
[9:12pm] Joe: Let's try and stay on track, this meeting might be busy.
[9:12pm] Joe: Joe
[9:12pm] Joe: 21:12:09
[9:12pm] Joe: I know a lot of people are waiting on it but I plan on having a much m9re tempered statement than the previous one
[9:12pm] Joe: I also plan on using your documents as part of the source rCarroll
[9:12pm] Joe: → rCarroIl has joined
[9:12pm] rCarroIl: if I may make a statement Yari
[9:12pm] rCarroIl: oh thanks joe
[9:12pm] Yari: rCarroIl: its an open meeting
[9:13pm] rCarroIl: but if I may have a part in writing
[9:13pm] Yari: Keep it brief, we're in reports
[9:13pm] Yari: Its all recorded in trasncripts
[9:13pm] Joe: You have and your input is more than welcome.
[9:14pm] Yari: Oh im sorry i misinterpreted
[9:14pm] Yari: anything else for platform?
[9:14pm] rCarroIl: alright. If u can, send me what u have
[9:15pm] rCarroIl: Tonight
[9:16pm] Joe: It won't be tonight unfortunately, but you can contact me tomorrow after 7 EST. I would be happy to do a jitsi meeting for our next platform meeting.
[9:16pm] Yari: Thank you Joe. let's move on to outreach. wodensday ? please remember we will be able to make a full report next week
[9:17pm] Joe: Click the following link to join the meeting:
[9:17pm] Joe: https://meet.jit.si/FantasticPirateCommitteeMeeting
[9:17pm] Joe: =====
[9:17pm] Joe: Just want to dial in on your phone?
[9:17pm] Joe: Dial-in: +1.512.647.1431 PIN: 14415767#
[9:17pm] Joe: Click this link to see the dial in phone numbers for this meeting
[9:17pm] Joe: https://meet.jit.si/static/dialInInfo.html?room=FantasticPirateCommitteeMeeting
[9:17pm] Joe: Ty
[9:17pm] papegaai: Title: Jitsi Meet (at meet.jit.si)
[9:17pm] papegaai: Title: Jitsi Meet (at meet.jit.si)
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[9:17pm] wodensday: I will try to make this brief as we will be bringing an elaborate report next weel as Yari said
[9:17pm] wodensday: week*
[9:18pm] wodensday: However, our #UnPatriotAct event decently. It did turn out to be all us, but our engagement was pretty high for something all-us.
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[9:18pm] rCarro: Back
[9:19pm] wodensday: Averaged around 4-5 concurrent views for some streams, and the logs are still catching decent views afterward
[9:19pm] rCarro: question
[9:19pm] rCarro: what were the viewership rates
[9:19pm] rCarro: For reach streamb
[9:19pm] rCarro: Ranked
[9:20pm] wodensday: We will be having an in depth discussion where we talk likes and lessons learned on Tuesday at outreach, if anyone wants to attend. 9 EST (same time as this) right here in this channel
[9:20pm] wodensday: rCarro, I know the pirate chat is doing the best
[9:20pm] rCarro: mhm, what’s not doing best
[9:20pm] rCarro: also, the pirate act thing was very
[9:20pm] rCarro: entertaining
[9:20pm] rCarro: pirate chat
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[9:21pm] wodensday: Last time I checked I believe it was the letter, I attribute that to it being the last thing and not really having a day's worth of hype surrounding it
[9:21pm] wodensday: We will get it out there though
[9:21pm] wodensday: Does anyone have any other questions? If interested, I urge you to attend the meeting
[9:23pm] Miles_W_PPAU: hey
[9:23pm] Miles_W_PPAU: i sent an email apologising for us not attending
[9:23pm] Miles_W_PPAU: is there a record of the stream anywhere?
[9:23pm] wodensday: No worries! We recognize it was short notice
[9:23pm] wodensday: It's all up on our YouTube page
[9:24pm] Yari: link?
[9:24pm] wodensday: Let me grab it
[9:24pm] wodensday: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVV01rkn5InPRkG8qNjADiA
[9:24pm] Yari: Thank you wodensday. Excited to see that full report. I think you also had a proposal for us, correct?
[9:24pm] papegaai: Title: United States Pirate Party - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[9:24pm] Miles_W_PPAU: could you also give us some formal statements or quotes from the stream which we can use in a press release?
[9:24pm] Miles_W_PPAU: we can workshop the formal PPAU reply
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[9:25pm] wodensday: That sounds like a fantastic idea, though I may need some time to get that together
[9:25pm] rCarro: ?
[9:25pm] Yari: We made formal posts on our website
[9:25pm] Yari: Would recommend checking those
[9:25pm] wodensday: Yari, I do. Though isn't that better for new business?
[9:25pm] Joe: https://youtu.be/zKFmCKFJOkg
[9:25pm] papegaai: Title: PATRIOT Act Digital Protest: Letter from a Muslim Pirate - YouTube (at youtu.be)
[9:25pm] rCarro: ????
[9:25pm] rCarro: what about it
[9:26pm] wodensday: Sorry, what are you asking exactly Richard?
[9:26pm] rCarro: I’m confused
[9:26pm] rCarro: what we talking about. I crashed
[9:26pm] wodensday: Still outreach stuff, no worries
[9:27pm] wodensday: I think we should get going though. If anyone has further comments, DM me on Discord
[9:28pm] rCarro: I did something and
[9:28pm] Yari: yes. Thank you wodensday . Moving on: pmchi , swarmcare?
[9:29pm] pmchi: I reached out to the Green Parties or Alaska and Rhode Island. No word yet, keeping my eyes peeled for a response. Bosun has been making website setting up a lot easier, so state membership battles will be a lot easier in the coming future! Other than that, I officially announced for IL-01 on Twitter, filling out a Statement of Candidacy and proper forms as we speak.
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[9:29pm] rCarro: did swarmcare go up
[9:29pm] Joe: Woot!
[9:30pm] rCarro: ?????
[9:30pm] pmchi: For the sake of my fellow IL Pirate, I will paste the report one more time:
[9:30pm] pmchi: I reached out to the Green Parties or Alaska and Rhode Island. No word yet, keeping my eyes peeled for a response. Bosun has been making website setting up a lot easier, so state membership battles will be a lot easier in the coming future! Other than that, I officially announced for IL-01 on Twitter, filling out a Statement of Candidacy as we speak.
[9:31pm] rCarro: Great.
[9:31pm] rCarro: Can u lmk about the candidacy thing
[9:31pm] rCarro: In DMs after
[9:31pm] pmchi: Of course
[9:31pm] rCarro: cool.
[9:31pm] rCarro: how are u signing up
[9:32pm] Yari: Thank you pmchi. Bosun, relatedly, anything to repirt?
[9:32pm] Yari: Report
[9:32pm] wodensday: Also, if you want to help work on Mitch's campaign, please let him or me know! That is something we need volunteers for
[9:32pm] rCarro: nvm
[9:32pm] rCarro: Me
[9:32pm] rCarro: But I already do
[9:32pm] wodensday: Chad yes
[9:32pm] rCarro: I also know a friend who wants to
[9:32pm] rCarro: Abdullah
[9:32pm] wodensday: Yes, yes, good
[9:33pm] Joe: Nothing of note to report on the budget, still need to do 2022 budget and FEC
[9:33pm] Yari: rCarro: i think that's more of a DMs thing. There is a dms function to IRC, by the way.
[9:33pm] rCarro: oooh how
[9:33pm] Yari: Look it up 
[9:33pm] Joe: Click on name
[9:33pm] rCarro: Oh I see
[9:33pm] rCarro: I’m too chad to look it up
[9:33pm] rCarro: Just  found it out myself
[9:34pm] • Joe also points out that you can press and hold as well
[9:34pm] rCarro: 😎
[9:34pm] Yari: Thank you Joe. Let us know what you might need or when for the FEC report.
[9:34pm] Joe: Will do
[9:35pm] Yari: Bosun? Report?
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[9:35pm] rCarro: I don’t think bosuns here
[9:35pm] Bosun: nope nothing yet
[9:35pm] rCarro: Nvm
[9:36pm] syyida: Ahoy!
[9:36pm] Joe: Ahoy
[9:36pm] rCarro: Hola, ahoy
[9:36pm] wodensday: dilf 7
[9:36pm] Yari: Ahoy, ID please
[9:36pm] Bosun: i wuz here
[9:36pm] wodensday: Whoops, sorry about that
[9:36pm] Bosun: nothing to add
[9:36pm] syyida: Megan Klein Wi
[9:36pm] rCarro: queen
[9:37pm] Yari: Welcome.
[9:37pm] rCarro: literally
[9:37pm] wodensday: Okay, where are we?
[9:37pm] Yari:  we can move to new business.
[9:38pm] rCarro: can I make a motion
[9:38pm] Yari: Unless there is old business that I am unaware of?
[9:38pm] rCarro: yes
[9:38pm] Yari: But we took care of the swarmcare motion last time
[9:38pm] rCarro: motion
[9:39pm] Yari: rCarro go ahead
[9:39pm] wodensday: What is your motion?
[9:39pm] rCarro: I motion to reach out to the
[9:39pm] Bosun: type man!
[9:39pm] rCarro: The Georgia Greens. We left em
[9:39pm] rCarro: Out
[9:40pm] wodensday: I believe that was for more controversial reasons
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[9:40pm] wodensday: I am not sure what those reasons are, though
[9:40pm] rCarro: Motion withdrawn
[9:40pm] Bosun: Tell us why - add it to the minutes.
[9:40pm] rCarro: If someone could say
[9:40pm] rCarro: Would be good
[9:40pm] rCarro: I am withdrawing motion untilb
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[9:40pm] rCarro: We know what the Reason was
[9:40pm] Yari: Hmmm could pmchi speak more on that? rCarro what is your reasoning?
[9:40pm] rCarro: My reasoning is that they’re an
[9:41pm] rCarro: Active party
[9:41pm] rCarro: PO Box. Everything
[9:41pm] • Joe ponders <b>
[9:41pm] rCarro: It’s like a new party for us
[9:41pm] syyida: I am not understanding, I thought we wanted to assimilate the rogue green parties
[9:41pm] rCarro: We do
[9:41pm] wodensday: We decided to assimilate RI and AL.
[9:41pm] pmchi: Rhode Island and Alaska were disaffiliated due to Presidential election conflicts. Georgia was kicked for discriminatory purposes. RI and Alaska had easy conflict areas to work around, Georgia wouldn’t be welcomed
[9:41pm] rCarro: But we excluded 1 party
[9:42pm] rCarro: I see I see. Motion withdrawn
[9:42pm] syyida: I didn't know there were 3 but yea GA would not make the cut
[9:42pm] Yari: understood.
[9:42pm] wodensday: May I suggest my motion then?
[9:42pm] Yari: Please.
[9:42pm] rCarro: Yes
[9:43pm] Bosun: The greens are mighty white in GA?
[9:43pm] wodensday: Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/644f64b6f8a48b57b90b3ccae9581b4b/pasted.txt
[9:43pm] rCarro: I searched it up
[9:43pm] wodensday: Whoops
[9:43pm] wodensday: I meant to copy-paste that
[9:43pm] rCarro: They passed a part to their platform
[9:43pm] wodensday: I need to change it so it says "Amend the bylaws to"
[9:43pm] rCarro: That includes anti trans language
[9:43pm] wodensday: As that would be necessary
[9:44pm] wodensday: A proposal that the PNC amend the bylaws to create the office Director of Public Relations. The officer elected to this position would have the following responsibilities:
[9:44pm] wodensday: • To administrate and manage social media accounts alongside the chair and vice chair.
[9:44pm] wodensday: • To advise the PNC on its image and reputation.
[9:44pm] wodensday: • To orchestrate public opportunities/appearances for officers, candidates, and other hard-working pirates.
[9:44pm] wodensday: • To serve as the public face of the USPP whenever other relevant Pirates cannot appear.
[9:44pm] wodensday: • To readily communicate with the public, the press, and other organizations.
[9:44pm] wodensday: I can explain why I feel this is necessary.
[9:44pm] rCarro: I disagree
[9:44pm] rCarro: I think it’s unnecessary
[9:44pm] rCarro: We Alr have this
[9:44pm] pmchi: Motion to discuss
[9:44pm] rCarro: We do that stuff already
[9:45pm] wodensday: We have it as being passed around haphazardly within the outreach committee to minimal success
[9:45pm] Yari: it sounds like a discussion is in order
[9:45pm] rCarro: After this, I have another motion
[9:45pm] wodensday: This would consolidate it into an office, away from the outreach committee and in the much better hands of an officer
[9:45pm] wodensday: I deally I would want to move one of our outreach folks to it
[9:46pm] rCarro: Makes sense
[9:46pm] rCarro: I support the motion
[9:46pm] Bosun: - to the chair outreach.
[9:46pm] wodensday: Oh sure yeah, though I figured we may want the flexibility of choosing whether or not it and the outreach chair are the sameperson
[9:46pm] pmchi: I believe this position proposed is separate from the Outreach chair
[9:47pm] syyida: I disagree with adding another officer
[9:47pm] wodensday: But I am not opposed to rolling em
[9:47pm] jokeefe: We have a lot of unfilled officer positions
[9:47pm] rCarro: I agree with syyida
[9:47pm] rCarro: I  disagree
[9:47pm] Joe: I would suggest it be a delegate of outreach. Perhaps an official officer or deputy.
[9:47pm] rCarro: Because it’s redundwan
[9:47pm] Bosun: I don't think we need more titles, we need more drones.
[9:47pm] Miles_W_PPAU: We have had a press officer in the past, but no-one has filled the role for a while so everyone on the exec handles press duties now
[9:47pm] rCarro: I agree
[9:47pm] Miles_W_PPAU: agree with Bosun
[9:47pm] rCarro: Titles will make it too crowded
[9:47pm] rCarro: I agree
[9:47pm] rCarro: I motion to table the motion
[9:47pm] rCarro: Indefinitely
[9:48pm] Miles_W_PPAU: unless it were a paid position, then you would need clear role descriptions
[9:48pm] Miles_W_PPAU: aka a title
[9:48pm] wodensday: ...Isn't Pmchi the voting member here?
[9:48pm] pmchi: I am
[9:48pm] Joe: I 2nd the Bosun and syyide
[9:48pm] rCarro: wait so I can’t make motions
[9:48pm] wodensday: Let's take this one step at a time.
[9:48pm] Bosun: Just withdraw the motion.
[9:48pm] Joe: 1 per state rCarro
[9:48pm] rCarro: I withdraw the motion
[9:49pm] rCarro: Yessir
[9:49pm] wodensday: I propose this because it is happening, and while happen either way. Outreach is currently doing most of this, but it's a very messy process.

[9:49pm] rCarro: It can be unofficial
[9:49pm] wodensday: I am also currently doing most of it, and for democracy's sake I don't like them being unofficial things given to an appointed chair under the table
[9:49pm] rCarro: we don’t need a title
[9:49pm] jokeefe: <have to step out now />
[9:49pm] wodensday: I think we should have a more official system than that
[9:50pm] rCarro: but does it need to be official
[9:50pm] rCarro: no need for an official title
[9:50pm] wodensday: it can be an appointed position, but I want this solidified better
[9:50pm] Yari: rCarro, I hate to quote the Washington Post but: 'democracy dies in darkness'
[9:50pm] Yari: the more transparency the better
[9:51pm] Bosun: The chair could just appoint one, because else it falls to the chair.
[9:51pm] wodensday: Because right now I'm doing it by proxy and that doesn't feel quite right. it's also a pain because I barely have the delegated power to do it efficiently
[9:51pm] rCarro: 😨 the Washington post
[9:51pm] Yari: ie, the less unofficial positions the better
[9:51pm] Joe: I would say this still falls under the task of outreach though I see no issue in tasking a task to a tasker.
[9:51pm] rCarro: I agree
[9:51pm] rCarro: we don’t need a whole mother thin
[9:51pm] wodensday: We could include these as official duties of the outreach chair
[9:51pm] rCarro: *’nother
[9:51pm] wodensday: If that sounds more appropriate
[9:52pm] Joe: If outreach was to use the title deputy of Social media, or the like, does that fit the bill?
[9:52pm] Yari: wodensday why should this be another member of the officers? do you see this position growing in responsibilities?
[9:52pm] Bosun: wodensday - just ask the chair for whatever you need.
[9:52pm] wodensday: This could most certainly grow in responsibility
[9:52pm] rCarro: I agree with bosun
[9:52pm] Yari: Bosun I'm not supposed to be just doing things, I'm supposed to be delegating
[9:52pm] rCarro: 😌 well, the Chair has to do some
[9:52pm] rCarro: not just delegate
[9:53pm] Yari: I do a lot already thanks
[9:53pm] Bosun: So delegate him the power.
[9:53pm] Yari: and so does he
[9:53pm] wodensday: I also didn't want this to necessarily be me lol. It CAN be, but I'm not trying to perform an enabling act here
[9:53pm] rCarro: I know, I’m not implying that
[9:53pm] rCarro: just saying that we can have it as
[9:53pm] Yari: To be transparent, wodensday ran this by me already
[9:54pm] Yari: It wasn't something that I really wrote any of?
[9:54pm] Yari: I don't think
[9:54pm] Yari: hard to recall
[9:54pm] Bosun: The role of public face has traditionally been the chairman. The chairman can delegate it unless overriden by the board.
[9:54pm] syyida: Why the tile. Is it the title everyone is hung up on?
[9:54pm] rCarro: We are saying it doesn’t need to be
[9:54pm] rCarro: A fancy title
[9:54pm] wodensday: We are an organization that currently needs to put a lot of weight into our social aspects. "Outreach" is a massive umbrella and I think we should start to break it down
[9:54pm] rCarro: We can  just give it to someone
[9:55pm] syyida: Then why not head of outreach pick a drone give them a #2 star and let 'em at it
[9:55pm] Joe: Outreach is a committee, correct?
[9:55pm] syyida: I am failing to understand this
[9:55pm] Yari: correct Jow
[9:55pm] Yari: Joe
[9:55pm] rCarro: If outrewch is a Committee
[9:55pm] rCarro: Make a sub committee
[9:55pm] wodensday: We don't NEED a fancy title, but it's nice for organization and transparency
[9:55pm] Joe: A committee can have board members w
[9:55pm] rCarro: It’s that easy
[9:55pm] rCarro: Yeah. Or a sub committee
[9:55pm] Joe: That it desires for itself
[9:55pm] Yari: okay, since we are at 5 minutes to the end I will gladly accept motions to table
[9:56pm] Bosun: Or make him chair of the comittee.
[9:56pm] wodensday: I think I may have explained this poorly, or we're otherwise failing to get on the same page.
[9:56pm] syyida: Ok so accountability in burocracy?
[9:56pm] rCarro: Someone motion to table
[9:56pm] Yari: yeah it seems like it
[9:56pm] pmchi: Motion to table until next week!
[9:56pm] pmchi: Week?
[9:56pm] Yari: motion has been made
[9:56pm] syyida: Second
[9:56pm] Joe: Outreach chair still reports here but ca  divide tasks accordingly
[9:56pm] Yari: and second, all in favor?
[9:56pm] syyida: Aye
[9:56pm] Bosun: what motion.
[9:56pm] Joe: Aye
[9:56pm] rCarro: aye
[9:56pm] pmchi: Aye
[9:56pm] Yari: motion to table this until next week
[9:56pm] Yari: Bosun
[9:56pm] Joe: Motion to table
[9:56pm] wodensday: Aye
[9:56pm] Yari: also WI already voted
[9:57pm] Bosun: ok - I do not vote
[9:57pm] Yari: one of you votes - you have to decide among yourselves
[9:57pm] rCarro: what if work to create a fund to
[9:57pm] syyida: It is me
[9:57pm] rCarro: help candidates in 2022
[9:57pm] pmchi: I’m the voting member rCarro
[9:57pm] Joe: Motion for Bosun to run for president
[9:57pm] syyida: @yarii I am the Wi rep.
[9:57pm] Yari: okay it is tabled then
[9:57pm] Bosun: II am not offended - fact I do not vot.
[9:57pm] rCarro: wait but about WI
[9:57pm] Yari: Joe I'm ignoring that as a joke
[9:57pm] rCarro: They don’t have voting member
[9:57pm] pmchi: WI is syyida
[9:58pm] rCarro: ant of them vote thi
[9:58pm] Yari: accepting motions to adjourn
[9:58pm] syyida: Motion to adjourn
[9:58pm] rCarro: wait, I didn’t say my idea
[9:58pm] Joe left the chat room. (Quit: Connection closed)
[9:58pm] wodensday: Second
[9:58pm] Yari: all in favor?
[9:58pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:58pm] wodensday: A y e
[9:58pm] syyida: Aye
[9:58pm] pmchi: Aye
[9:58pm] Joe: Motion to adjourn?
[9:58pm] rCarro left the chat room. (Quit: Connection closed)
[9:58pm] Joe: Aye
[9:59pm] Yari: with that, This meeting of the PNC is adjourned at 9:59pm EST
(all times from here are in PST because of transcript coming from PST computer)

[2021-10-31 18:49:41] <rCarro> It can be unofficial
[2021-10-31 18:49:44] <wodensday> I am also currently doing most of it, and for democracy's sake I don't like them being unofficial things given to an appointed chair under the table
[2021-10-31 18:49:50] <rCarro> we don’t need a title 
[2021-10-31 18:49:52] <jokeefe> <have to step out now />
[2021-10-31 18:49:54] <wodensday> I think we should have a more official system than that
[2021-10-31 18:50:06] <rCarro> but does it need to be official 
[2021-10-31 18:50:12] <rCarro> no need for an official title 
[2021-10-31 18:50:36] <wodensday> it can be an appointed position, but I want this solidified better
[2021-10-31 18:50:39] <Yari> rCarro, I hate to quote the Washington Post but: 'democracy dies in darkness'
[2021-10-31 18:50:50] <Yari> the more transparency the better
[2021-10-31 18:51:03] <Bosun> The chair could just appoint one, because else it falls to the chair.
[2021-10-31 18:51:05] <wodensday> Because right now I'm doing it by proxy and that doesn't feel quite right. it's also a pain because I barely have the delegated power to do it efficiently
[2021-10-31 18:51:05] <rCarro> 😨 the Washington post 
[2021-10-31 18:51:06] <Yari> ie, the less unofficial positions the better
[2021-10-31 18:51:11] <Joe> I would say this still falls under the task of outreach though I see no issue in tasking a task to a tasker. 
[2021-10-31 18:51:19] <rCarro> I agree 
[2021-10-31 18:51:25] <rCarro> we don’t need a whole mother thin
[2021-10-31 18:51:50] <wodensday> We could include these as official duties of the outreach chair
[2021-10-31 18:51:56] <rCarro> *’nother
[2021-10-31 18:51:56] <wodensday> If that sounds more appropriate 
[2021-10-31 18:52:02] <Yari> wodensday why should this be another member of the officers? do you see this position growing in responsibilities?
[2021-10-31 18:52:02] <Joe> If outreach was to use the title deputy of Social media, or the like, does that fit the bill?
[2021-10-31 18:52:13] <Bosun> wodensday - just ask the chair for whatever you need.
[2021-10-31 18:52:20] <wodensday> This could most certainly grow in responsibility 
[2021-10-31 18:52:25] <rCarro> I agree with bosun 
[2021-10-31 18:52:38] <Yari> Bosun I'm not supposed to be just doing things, I'm supposed to be delegating
[2021-10-31 18:52:50] <rCarro> 😌 well, the Chair has to do some 
[2021-10-31 18:52:54] <rCarro> not just delegate 
[2021-10-31 18:53:01] <Yari> I do a lot already thanks
[2021-10-31 18:53:01] <Bosun> So delegate him the power.
[2021-10-31 18:53:08] <Yari> and so does he
[2021-10-31 18:53:13] <wodensday> I also didn't want this to necessarily be me lol. It CAN be, but I'm not trying to perform an enabling act here
[2021-10-31 18:53:21] <rCarro> I know, I’m not implying that 
[2021-10-31 18:53:34] <rCarro> just saying that we can have it as
[2021-10-31 18:53:38] <Yari> To be transparent, wodensday ran this by me already
[2021-10-31 18:54:00] <Yari> It wasn't something that I really wrote any of?
[2021-10-31 18:54:03] <Yari> I don't think
[2021-10-31 18:54:08] <Yari> hard to recall
[2021-10-31 18:54:13] <Bosun> The role of public face has traditionally been the chairman. The chairman can delegate it unless overriden by the board.
[2021-10-31 18:54:14] <syyida> Why the tile. Is it the title everyone is hung up on?
[2021-10-31 18:54:26] <rCarro> We are saying it doesn’t need to be 
[2021-10-31 18:54:29] <rCarro> A fancy title 
[2021-10-31 18:54:30] <wodensday> We are an organization that currently needs to put a lot of weight into our social aspects. "Outreach" is a massive umbrella and I think we should start to break it down
[2021-10-31 18:54:41] <rCarro> We can  just give it to someone 
[2021-10-31 18:55:10] <syyida> Then why not head of outreach pick a drone give them a #2 star and let 'em at it
[2021-10-31 18:55:13] <Joe> Outreach is a committee, correct?
[2021-10-31 18:55:21] <syyida> I am failing to understand this
[2021-10-31 18:55:27] <Yari> correct Jow
[2021-10-31 18:55:29] <Yari> Joe
[2021-10-31 18:55:30] <rCarro> If outrewch is a Committee 
[2021-10-31 18:55:35] <rCarro> Make a sub committee 
[2021-10-31 18:55:35] <wodensday> We don't NEED a fancy title, but it's nice for organization and transparency 
[2021-10-31 18:55:40] <Joe> A committee can have board members w
[2021-10-31 18:55:41] <rCarro> It’s that easy
[2021-10-31 18:55:49] <rCarro> Yeah. Or a sub committee 
[2021-10-31 18:55:51] <Joe> That it desires for itself
[2021-10-31 18:55:56] <Yari> okay, since we are at 5 minutes to the end I will gladly accept motions to table
[2021-10-31 18:55:59] <Bosun> Or make him chair of the comittee.
[2021-10-31 18:56:05] <wodensday> I think I may have explained this poorly, or we're otherwise failing to get on the same page.
[2021-10-31 18:56:07] <syyida> Ok so accountability in burocracy?
[2021-10-31 18:56:14] <rCarro> Someone motion to table 
[2021-10-31 18:56:16] <Yari> yeah it seems like it
[2021-10-31 18:56:16] <pmchi> Motion to table until next week!
[2021-10-31 18:56:18] <pmchi> Week?
[2021-10-31 18:56:25] <Yari> motion has been made
[2021-10-31 18:56:25] <syyida> Second
[2021-10-31 18:56:30] <Joe> Outreach chair still reports here but ca  divide tasks accordingly 
[2021-10-31 18:56:31] <Yari> and second, all in favor?
[2021-10-31 18:56:35] <syyida> Aye
[2021-10-31 18:56:37] <Bosun> what motion.
[2021-10-31 18:56:38] <Joe> Aye
[2021-10-31 18:56:41] <rCarro> aye 
[2021-10-31 18:56:42] <pmchi> Aye
[2021-10-31 18:56:45] <Yari> motion to table this until next week
[2021-10-31 18:56:47] <Yari> Bosun
[2021-10-31 18:56:49] <Joe> Motion to table
[2021-10-31 18:56:55] <wodensday> Aye
[2021-10-31 18:56:56] <Yari> also WI already voted
[2021-10-31 18:57:04] <Bosun> ok - I do not vote
[2021-10-31 18:57:18] <Yari> one of you votes - you have to decide among yourselves
[2021-10-31 18:57:25] <rCarro> what if work to create a fund to 
[2021-10-31 18:57:25] <syyida> It is me
[2021-10-31 18:57:31] <rCarro> help candidates in 2022
[2021-10-31 18:57:33] <pmchi> I’m the voting member rCarro
[2021-10-31 18:57:35] <Joe> Motion for Bosun to run for president 
[2021-10-31 18:57:36] <syyida> @yarii I am the Wi rep.
[2021-10-31 18:57:38] <Yari> okay it is tabled then
[2021-10-31 18:57:38] <Bosun> II am not offended - fact I do not vot.
[2021-10-31 18:57:46] <rCarro> wait but about WI
[2021-10-31 18:57:53] <Yari> Joe I'm ignoring that as a joke
[2021-10-31 18:57:54] <rCarro> They don’t have voting member
[2021-10-31 18:57:56] <pmchi> WI is syyida
[2021-10-31 18:58:01] <rCarro> ant of them vote thi
[2021-10-31 18:58:05] <Yari> accepting motions to adjourn
[2021-10-31 18:58:10] <syyida> Motion to adjourn
[2021-10-31 18:58:15] <rCarro> wait, I didn’t say my idea 
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[2021-10-31 18:58:16] <wodensday> Second
[2021-10-31 18:58:20] <Yari> all in favor?
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[2021-10-31 18:58:26] <wodensday> A y e 
[2021-10-31 18:58:27] <syyida> Aye
[2021-10-31 18:58:28] <pmchi> Aye
[2021-10-31 18:58:48] <Joe> Motion to adjourn?
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[2021-10-31 18:58:52] <Joe> Aye
[2021-10-31 18:59:10] <Yari> with that, This meeting of the PNC is adjourned at 9:59pm EST