PNC 09/16/19

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Review Elisa Miller's offer to be our presidential candidate


  • Sayyida: Megan Klein Chair WI
  • Bosun: Joseph Klein, Wisconsin
  • Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Vice-Chair, MA
  • jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts
  • designanddraft: elisa miller, midwest missouri
  • OGPAF: Johann Drolshagen, Webmster, California
  • K`Tetch_


  • Bank account has not been setup yet.
  • Asked Elisa Miller about her presidential candidacy
  • Motion: Run anyone as a presidential candidate for the 2020 electon? - FAILED


Record of the meeting


[9:02pm] Sayyida: as we are all here lets call roll
[9:02pm] Bosun: Joe watch know?
[9:02pm] Sayyida: Megan Klein Chair WI
[9:02pm] Bosun: Joseph Klein, Wisconsin
[9:02pm] Pirate_Joe: Sorry for the delay, dad duties delaying me
[9:02pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Vice-Chair, MA
[9:03pm] Sayyida: don't ever apologize for that. family is important.
[9:03pm] Pirate_Joe: So is this
[9:03pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts
[9:03pm] designanddraft: elisa miller, midwest missouri
[9:03pm] OGPAF: Johann Drolshagen, Webmster, California
[9:04pm] Sayyida: excellent. now that we are all here, i want to let everyone know we failed to get the bank account set up again. I am very sorry
[9:04pm] Sayyida: I also want to hear from and chat with designanddraft about her running
[9:05pm] Bosun: We have a contact and all the documents organized in. A single folder though.
[9:05pm] designanddraft: no worries about bank account it will get there
[9:06pm] Sayyida: so designanddraft tell us about yourself and why you want to run and what kind of support you want from us
[9:06pm] designanddraft: i am volunteering because it needs done and i can, not because i want to b president
[9:07pm] OGPAF: any plans for expansion?
[9:07pm] jokeefe: Keeping notes at
[9:07pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 09/16/19 - United States Pirate Party (at
[9:07pm] Bosun: Why does it need to be done?
[9:07pm] Sayyida: what do you consider your platform to be, we are still developing our platform and supporting states
[9:07pm] designanddraft: i am inline with the party views, decentralize banking is a major key and everyone who goes against it gets killed so support of the group would b appreciated
[9:09pm] Bosun: Are you then against a federal banking system, or just large banks?
[9:09pm] designanddraft: laws off my body, copywrong, and a heavy focus on critical thinking to the people, communication and consent, decision making
[9:09pm] Sayyida: can you tell us more about what views you are in line with?
[9:10pm] designanddraft: decentralized banking is no longer on the kings money system, what america won the revolutionary war, direct money
[9:11pm] Sayyida: I have done some long reading into your facebook page, you have not announced your run and what kind of support you plan on bringing to our devloping party
[9:11pm] Sayyida: have you run for an office before or ran with a party before?
[9:11pm] designanddraft: i will not announce until form 2 is sent, i need form 1 from the party
[9:12pm] Sayyida: ill be right back my internet is being wonky again
[9:12pm] designanddraft: my project for over a decade  is
[9:13pm] designanddraft: direct democracy, ending controlled obsolescence, ending routine circumsion...
[9:13pm] OGPAF: have you read Swarmwise?
[9:14pm] Bosun: Fprm 1 is your committee.  Each candidate forms a committee
[9:14pm] Sayyida: ok im back issue fixed i think
[9:14pm] jokeefe: Good
[9:14pm] Sayyida: jokeefe, thanks
[9:14pm] jokeefe: Thanks designanddraft - Why should we run a presidential candidate when we haven’t run many candidates for lower offices?
[9:16pm] designanddraft: it is basically a huge venue right now for national president, best time to get ppl interested on all levels
[9:16pm] Sayyida: what kind of paperwork is required of missouri and how many signitures are required?
[9:18pm] Sayyida: as we don't have a chapter in missouri, I am not sure how we are going to get ground support for that
[9:18pm] jokeefe: Massachusetts would require 10,000 voter signatures gathered from mid-February to July. Which likely translates as 12,000-14,000 raw signatures
[9:19pm] designanddraft: i am still registered in michigan, i am in missouri currently...those rules apply for everywhere, not to where i am
[9:19pm] Bosun: Wisconsin is 2K.
[9:20pm] Sayyida: what do you mean registered in Michigan?
[9:20pm] Pirate_Joe: designanddraft, please clarify.  Are you planning on staying in Missouri or are stranded and need a ride?
[9:20pm] Bosun: Each state has different requirements. You need to at least register in Wisconsin to be a write in.
[9:20pm] jokeefe: Yes, some states are far easier than others. glad to hear WI is on the easier side.
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: I do not mean to be rude, I just want to understand your situation.
[9:21pm] Sayyida: Pirate_Joe, same. I have blown people to prison for FEC violations I want to make sure we don't end in a similar issue
[9:22pm] designanddraft: lol, i do not need a ride, my drivers liscence and voter registration, i know joe
[9:22pm] jokeefe: check out the 2020 PETITIONING FOR PRESIDENT section in to see each state’s requirements
[9:23pm] designanddraft: some counties r even pretty high hoops
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: designanddraft, you have the floor, what are you planning then?
[9:24pm] jokeefe: designanddraft - with all attention focused on Trump and the Democratic candidates in 2020, how would a Pirate presidential campaign break through where Greens, Libertarians and others haven’t?
[9:24pm] designanddraft: not to worry so much about the rules that the party is against, to register with the feds, to get the party word out
[9:24pm] Sayyida: considering state by state rules on write ins and who can have ballot status, we don't have a chance in a few states
[9:25pm] designanddraft: because this is the actual solution and many ppl r ready for when they c it
[9:25pm] Sayyida: see what?
[9:26pm] Sayyida: 5 min til time vote to extend time?
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: 2nd
[9:26pm] designanddraft: the solution instead of perpetuating a broken system
[9:26pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:26pm] Sayyida: all in favor?
[9:26pm] OGPAF: aye
[9:26pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:26pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[9:26pm] Bosun: aye
[9:26pm] Sayyida: time extended 30 min
[9:27pm] jokeefe: designanddraft - do you have a campaign chair and treasurer lined up?
[9:27pm] Sayyida: designanddraft, where it is a broken system, it is rigged against 3rd parties
[9:27pm] Sayyida: how do you plan to get past it where the greens and libertarians have failed?
[9:28pm] designanddraft: thats what this party is about
[9:29pm] Sayyida: how long have you been involved with the party? I am asking because you seem to know something that I am missing?
[9:29pm] Bosun: Why not run locallyy?
[9:30pm] designanddraft: i found out about it during occupy, i met a woman from spain who was involved in its beginings
[9:30pm] Sayyida: ah the old NYC pirates right?
[9:31pm] Bosun: A Spanish Pirate?
[9:32pm] jokeefe: Catalonia Pirates have been very active
[9:32pm] designanddraft: the history of the pirate party and occupy, the platform?
[9:33pm] designanddraft: r any of the greens or libs talking about ending wage slavery?
[9:33pm] Sayyida: what platform? Catalonias?
[9:33pm] Pirate_Joe: designanddraft, sorry for all the questions.  As you can tell we are quite excited to have someone interested in run for president.  To me, the real question is how do we pull this off and I have yet to have a clear pic as to how you would like us to do so.
[9:33pm] Sayyida: we as a party have not officially set ours
[9:33pm] designanddraft: international pirate party platform
[9:35pm] Sayyida: ours does have some differences with the PPI platform, what little we have devloped into its state
[9:35pm] Sayyida: the uspp is not part of ppi
[9:37pm] designanddraft: the party board filling the paper, i thought that was already done?
[9:38pm] Sayyida: I am chair of the board and I have no clue what paper you are reffering to. I am honestly confused
[9:38pm] designanddraft: i need the # for my form, then at least its official. thats the only formal thing im asking, as to participation...
[9:38pm] Bosun: A national committee or party or PAC is not the same as a campaign committee.
[9:39pm] Bosun: Each candidate forms their own committee. Form 1 is your responsibility.
[9:40pm] jokeefe: FEC candidate guide -
[9:40pm] papegaai: Title: Guides | FEC (at
[9:42pm] designanddraft: i dont think they r mutually exclusive?
[9:42pm] K`Tetch_: whoa, actual activity here
[9:43pm] K`Tetch_: oh wait, a 'meeting', so it's here, then vanish for 2 weeks
[9:43pm] Sayyida: ahoy K`Tetch_ hows it going?
[9:43pm] jokeefe: Hey K`Tetch_, meeting every Monday 9-9:30pm
[9:43pm] K`Tetch_: but in between NOTHING
[9:43pm] Pirate_Joe: Ahoy K'tetch_ we do this every week at 9am est for 30 minutes
[9:44pm] Bosun: Or so.
[9:44pm] K`Tetch_: its more like you're intersted in checking the boxes
[9:44pm] designanddraft: and have extended tonight to have what u c here
[9:45pm] K`Tetch_: ok, write in laws - I've the full write in laws for presidential candidates on my site, all ...68 pages of it
[9:45pm] K`Tetch_: and running a presidential candidate is a MASSIVE waste of time, effort and money
[9:45pm] K`Tetch_: 21:30:13 «designanddraft» i found out about it during occupy, i met a woman from spain who was involved in its beginings <-- the spanish came a few years in, incompatible encoding
[9:46pm] Bosun: Your frankness is appreciated.
[9:46pm] Sayyida: we are at 15 min time
[9:46pm] designanddraft: rite, but its a great stage currently to offer a real solution with a different campaign
[9:47pm] K`Tetch_: - write in laws
[9:47pm] jokeefe: It can only be a great stage if you have the volunteers and money, unfortunately.
[9:48pm] Sayyida: we don't
[9:48pm] Pirate_Joe: we appreciate everyone's thoughts on this.  As Ktetch has stated, we are in no position at this time to run a candidate even as a ploy to attract more attention to us.
[9:48pm] designanddraft: sorry to b corny, but, if u build it they will come
[9:48pm] K`Tetch_: no designanddraft, it's not, it's a complete waste of everything. thre's 30-40 such campaigns each presidential cycle. you don't hear of them, because you don't heard of them, because no-one gives a shit that no-one with any resources or ability to get any statistically significant vote share is 'running a canidate' for attention
[9:49pm] K`Tetch_: (and yes, this has been brought up for every cycle back to the 08 campaign
[9:49pm] Sayyida: I can name at least 4 indidpendnts running right now that no one knows of
[9:49pm] Pirate_Joe: We have many local battles and tasks to do before we reach such lofty goals and we can get the power we need to make the needed changes locally across the country.
[9:49pm] • K`Tetch_ *HAS* been doing this since day 1
[9:49pm] Pirate_Joe: There are many ways to serve.
[9:50pm] Sayyida: we are at 10 min left
[9:50pm] jokeefe: Presidential elections are geared to only let two candidates get any air.  Lower level races allow people to get out and knock on doors and practice retail campaigning
[9:50pm] • Pirate_Joe agrees with K`Tetch
[9:50pm] designanddraft: its not to win, its to change
[9:50pm] Bosun: Hence why Sanders - A Democratic- Socialist runs as a Democrate
[9:50pm] K`Tetch_: focus state houses, and city/county campaigns
[9:50pm] Sayyida: I am with K`Tetch_ I have been in 2 other pirate runs for local elections trust me its brutal
[9:50pm] Bosun: Totally agree.
[9:51pm] Bosun: IMHO
[9:51pm] K`Tetch_: y'all don'have the people for even a federal candidacy, and I'm certainly not doing it again - that 09 EuroParl camapign literally nearly killed me
[9:52pm] designanddraft: the money changers need taken down in order for any change, the pirate party knows that, im volunteering to run until change happens by the voice ofwe getting larger
[9:52pm] Sayyida: Would you be willing to start a Missouri chapter and run locally?
[9:52pm] jokeefe: Even state wide takes a lot of effort. Have the votes to show for it, though I cannot say it helped as much as I hoped
[9:52pm] Pirate_Joe: If we get enough states with the gears turning, then we would have something
[9:53pm] Pirate_Joe: and we would be happy to support you on this council if you were doing so
[9:53pm] Bosun: Run for the state legislature.
[9:53pm] Sayyida: Pirate_Joe, agreed
[9:53pm] Pirate_Joe: That said, each state needs to raise funds and manage on their own in order to be a part of this council anyways
[9:53pm] designanddraft: i believe now is the time, many ppl r ready, we r not talking about running it the way it is done currently, that is time and money and energy that no one has with the presures of everything else
[9:54pm] Sayyida: designanddraft, I need to be frank, have you ever worked on any campaign before?
[9:54pm] designanddraft: yes
[9:54pm] Sayyida: then you know the type of work and money it takes even at a local level
[9:54pm] Sayyida: let alone a federal level
[9:55pm] Sayyida: I have worked on 5 campaigns in my lifetime
[9:55pm] Sayyida: money sadly is the bane of thier existance
[9:55pm] Sayyida: we do not have the money or support to run a presidental canidate
[9:55pm] K`Tetch_: we even had an impromptue PPGa meet 2 weeks ago, me and jarod
[9:56pm] Sayyida: we have currently 3 "at large" states and yours is not one of them
[9:56pm] Sayyida: we need state and local support before we can even get ballot status in some states
[9:56pm] designanddraft: just the paperwork and the word of mouth while there is no money and few ppl
[9:56pm] Bosun: It takes time, treasure, and talent. Running for President is like. tunneling through granite mountains with pickaxes. It can be done, but we don't have the crew to do it.
[9:56pm] K`Tetch_: yeah, because i'm on a break, and jarod has some big family things come up.
[9:56pm] Sayyida: K`Tetch_, I hope all is well
[9:57pm] jokeefe: K`Tetch_ Glad to hear that you and Jarod got together. Family/sanity time is important
[9:57pm] K`Tetch_: meh, I mumbled my way through 3 panels with the EFF 2 weeks ago, I'm just dreading the videos...
[9:57pm] designanddraft: im not asking anyone here to do more work, im asking to decide to do something that will get more ppl involved
[9:57pm] Pirate_Joe: So K`tetch_ what do you think we should be doing?
[9:58pm] Sayyida: We have 2 min lef
[9:58pm] Sayyida: left*
[9:58pm] K`Tetch_: right now, build local, and also, make noise online
[9:58pm] OGPAF: I got that
[9:58pm] K`Tetch_: there's no blog posts, there's no opeds written, response pieces, etc
[9:58pm] designanddraft: anyone get ahold of me if wanted,  5047828688
[9:58pm] K`Tetch_: fill the website with content
[9:58pm] Pirate_Joe: I agree, I would see us have a platform first and go from their
[9:58pm] OGPAF: coming by the 1st
[9:59pm] Sayyida: designanddraft, we will not be running a presidntal canidate, per the expireance in the room we will take K`Tetch_ s advice
[9:59pm] jokeefe: Thank you designanddraft
[9:59pm] K`Tetch_: and maybe pop by here, or whever the 'chat' place will be more often than 'only during meetings'
[9:59pm] Pirate_Joe: Understandable, I would not mind making these meetings longer as well.
[9:59pm] Sayyida: miss you K`Tetch_ i will have to pop in every now and then
[10:00pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
[10:00pm] designanddraft: interesting no vote and not the pirate platform?
[10:00pm] K`Tetch_: i'm barely on this machine now, so people come in, ask if anyone's about, and there's noone here to receive them, inform them, embrace them
[10:00pm] Sayyida: designanddraft, fair enough
[10:00pm] Pirate_Joe: Next week we will be discussing the USPP platform
[10:00pm] Sayyida: vote to run designanddraft as a presidental canidate?
[10:01pm] Sayyida: all in favor?
[10:01pm] Pirate_Joe: 2nd
[10:01pm] Bosun: aye
[10:01pm] jokeefe: hold on
[10:01pm] K`Tetch_: will he be ENTIRELY self-financing?
[10:01pm] Sayyida: she*
[10:01pm] jokeefe: The issue is any presidential candidate.
[10:01pm] Sayyida: jokeefe, very true
[10:01pm] Sayyida: let me re word
[10:02pm] jokeefe: Suggest changing motion to “Vote to run an presidential candidate in 2020?”
[10:02pm] Sayyida: vote to run anyone as a presidental canidate for the 2020 electoin?
[10:02pm] jokeefe: that is better
[10:02pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[10:02pm] designanddraft: im confused, the pirate party has a platform...
[10:02pm] Sayyida: all in favor?
[10:02pm] K`Tetch_: NAY
[10:02pm] Bosun: Nay
[10:02pm] OGPAF: nay
[10:02pm] Pirate_Joe: nay
[10:02pm] Sayyida: Nay
[10:02pm] jokeefe: Arrrgh..No
[10:03pm] Sayyida: the votes stand
[10:03pm] Sayyida: we will not be running anyone for the 2020 election
[10:03pm] Bosun: For President ...
[10:03pm] Sayyida: thank you Bosun i hit enter too fast
[10:04pm] Sayyida: we will not be running anyone for president in the 2020 election
[10:04pm] K`Tetch_: as a side note, if I may - I am still looking for pieces for No Safe haror 2 - don't m me write it myself
[10:04pm] K`Tetch_: *make me
[10:05pm] Sayyida: lol email me K`Tetch_ I have no idea what you are talking about
[10:05pm] K`Tetch_: also, said pieces, can be used as ieces for the uspp site
[10:05pm] Sayyida: I miss seeing you here
[10:05pm] jokeefe: Will ask for submissions
[10:05pm] jokeefe: When would you like them by?
[10:05pm] jokeefe: And who should people email them to?
[10:05pm] Bosun: Book 2 of No Safe Harbor.
[10:05pm] K`Tetch_: i'm busy workign, when I see theres been acitivty, you've come, had the meeting, and all vanished within moments of it ending
[10:05pm] K`Tetch_: email them to me
[10:06pm] Sayyida: *nods*
[10:06pm] K`Tetch_: (GPG enabled)
[10:06pm] jokeefe: ok
[10:06pm] jokeefe: thanks
[10:06pm] K`Tetch_: i'll send out a piece to the mail list
[10:06pm] jokeefe: Thank you!
[10:06pm] Pirate_Joe: there are a few versions of it now, designanddraft. we want to make sure that there is one for our national party here in the us
[10:06pm] Sayyida: thank you K`Tetch_
[10:06pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion to adjourn?
[10:06pm] Sayyida: second
[10:07pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor?
[10:07pm] OGPAF: aye
[10:07pm] Sayyida: aye
[10:07pm] Pirate_Joe: Aye
[10:07pm] Bosun: aye
[10:07pm] jokeefe: aye
[10:07pm] Sayyida: thank you everyone,
[10:07pm] OGPAF left the chat room. (Quit:
[10:07pm] Sayyida: jokeefe, would you please post the minutes?