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[9:03pm] Yari: ID please
 
[9:03pm] Yari: ID please
  
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[9:03pm] Bosun: Hey Mitch - please ID.
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[9:04pm] Bosun: Is something really slow in IRC land someplace?
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[9:04pm] jokeefe: seems ok
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[9:05pm] Sayyida: no pmchi isn't  responding
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[9:05pm] Sayyida: irc is not laggy here
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[9:05pm] Bosun: OK - hence my query.
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[9:05pm] pmchi: Mitchel Davilo, Chicago/ILPP
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[9:06pm] pmchi: My apologizes, I’m running back and forth
 +
[9:06pm] Bosun: Reminder we should be switched on the e-mail list.
 +
[9:06pm] jokeefe: thanks. I will send another reminder.
 +
[9:07pm] jokeefe: then drop people from the sab list.
 +
[9:07pm] jokeefe: or should I just add them to the list?
 +
[9:07pm] Bosun: What is the new addess?
 +
[9:08pm] jokeefe: uspp-sab@lists.uspirates.org
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[9:09pm] Bosun: OK it is in my address book then.
 +
[9:09pm] Yari: is opting out an easy process? If it's only one or two clicks, then I feel like its justified to just add people. But if more effort than that, Best policy is creating an opt-in only system.
 +
[9:09pm] Yari: ^just my opinion
 +
[9:10pm] Sayyida: just add everyone left over
 +
[9:10pm] Sayyida: if they want to opt out they can do on their own
 +
[9:12pm] pmchi: If it is okay, I have business I’d like to bring forth
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[9:12pm] jokeefe: I will send you the list for review and then email them directly just to be sure?
 +
[9:12pm] Bosun: We have anything from IT?
 +
[9:12pm] Yari: pmchi if its the guidelines I was going to do as part of outreach
 +
[9:13pm] pmchi: It is Yari nevermind then hahahah
 +
[9:13pm] jokeefe: No update from IT. Will get regular meeting time/date settled.
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[9:14pm] Bosun: OK should we discuss the outreach proposal?
 +
[9:14pm] jokeefe: ++wonderful
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[9:14pm] Yari: yes that would be great
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[9:14pm] Yari: pmchi go ahead!
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[9:14pm] pmchi: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/b4M6k1mQ/GUIDELINES+FOR+PNC+APPROVAL.docx
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[9:15pm] Yari: pmchi and bosun worked on a proposal for guidelines for the USPP social media, we would like to have them approved by the PNC
 +
[9:15pm] pmchi: I sent here the social media guidelines as approved by outreach, designated for PNC approval
 +
[9:16pm] Bosun: Where footnotes added?
 +
[9:17pm] Bosun: were
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[9:17pm] pmchi: Between the sections “Try To” and “Platform Specific Guidelines”, I added footnotes for the terms “ad hominem attacks” and “logical fallacies”
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[9:18pm] Bosun: ok
 +
[9:18pm] Bosun: think that was the only request.
 +
[9:18pm] Yari: apologies, we should have sent this to jokeefe and added this to the agenda so that others could read beforehand.
 +
[9:18pm] pmchi: Both terms marked with “**” and “***” respectively to dictate we have provided definitions and examples
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[9:19pm] Yari: That's on me
 +
[9:20pm] jokeefe: I am adding the text to the meeting wiki page
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[9:20pm] Yari: thanks jokeefe, I was trying to do that as well but I'm not as efficient
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[9:22pm] jokeefe: thanks Yari
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[9:23pm] jokeefe: https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=PNC_04/18/21#USPP_Social_Media_Guidelines
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[9:23pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 04/18/21 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
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[9:24pm] Sayyida: obscenity is spelt wrong
 +
[9:24pm] Sayyida: I would also like to just add under each of these that the youtube, instagram, and discord have stated
 +
[9:25pm] Sayyida: don't reply as an individual, as this is a handle that represents us all
 +
[9:25pm] Sayyida: keep it professional, posting permissions will be revoked
 +
[9:25pm] Bosun: voice from the other room suggest reiterating that this is a party platform and personal comments should be avoided.
 +
[9:26pm] Bosun: yes ... that
 +
[9:26pm] Bosun: May we give it a thumbs up now?
 +
[9:27pm] Sayyida: move to accept with changes
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[9:27pm] Bosun: motion on the floor
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[9:27pm] Yari: 2nd
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[9:27pm] pmchi: 2nd
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[9:27pm] Bosun: @jokeefe?
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[9:28pm] jokeefe: It is a good effort. No objections.
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[9:28pm] Bosun: I'll take that as afirmative
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[9:28pm] jokeefe: I taked it from Yari / pmchi’s 2nds that Sayyida’s comments are accepted?
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[9:28pm] Bosun: yes
 +
[9:28pm] jokeefe: ok, will update the text
 +
[9:29pm] Bosun: please set the record to reflect that.
 +
[9:29pm] Sayyida: not to be rude but its not like it technically matters as they are not board members and can not vote on the matter
 +
[9:29pm] Sayyida: but yea looks like its all good
 +
[9:29pm] Sayyida: we are out of time
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[9:29pm] Sayyida: anything else?
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[9:29pm] jokeefe: They proposed it, seems only respectful to make sure they agree
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[9:30pm] Bosun: Yari brought a point of order - Yari can vote on the subject as the head of the comitee
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[9:30pm] Sayyida: jokeefe, let me rephrase to be clear, yes its respectful, but for the rules of voting and whatnot they can not 2nd or vote
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[9:31pm] Bosun: cool
 +
[9:31pm] Sayyida: I am not saying it doesn't matter as an emotional statement im saying for the point of order, our voting eligibility, and who qualifies as a state reflects on if they can vote or not
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[9:31pm] Bosun: if we have no objections then it is accepted?
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[9:32pm] Sayyida: yes
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[9:32pm] jokeefe: I agree Sayyida.
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[9:32pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
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[9:32pm] Bosun: Anything elese
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[9:33pm] Bosun: Half hour is up.
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[9:33pm] Bosun: motion to adjourn.
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[9:33pm] jokeefe: 2nd
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[9:34pm] Bosun: all in favor?
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[9:34pm] jokeefe: aye
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[9:34pm] Sayyida: aye
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[9:34pm] Sayyida: good night
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[9:34pm] Momma_turtle left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving)
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[9:34pm] Sayyida left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving)
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[9:34pm] Bosun: Good night and thank you all.
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Post-meeting Addendum:
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[9:35pm] jokeefe: Bosun / Yari / pmchi:
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[9:35pm] jokeefe: Added below Platform Specific Guidelines:
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[9:35pm] jokeefe: Our accounts represent us all:
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[9:35pm] jokeefe: * Never reply as an individual;
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[9:35pm] jokeefe: * Always keep comments professional;
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[9:35pm] jokeefe: * Failure to do so may result in revoking your posting permissions.
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[9:35pm] jokeefe: Sound good?
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[9:36pm] pmchi: Aye aye
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[9:36pm] Yari: aye
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[9:36pm] Yari: thank you for friendly edits
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[9:37pm] jokeefe: sure. Will get this posted today
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[9:38pm] jokeefe: happy to help
  
 
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Latest revision as of 21:39, 18 April 2021

Agenda

Reports

Outreach

Proposal:

USPP Social Media Guidelines

Preamble

We, the United States Pirate Party or USPP, are an anti-authoritarian party. We expect our social media representative to be sensitive to the wants and needs of others. As such, we believe it is important to understand the nuances of rules and party discipline. We want our social media pages to be a good reflection on us, because they ARE a reflection on us. We offer a loose leash for posting, but we don’t want to be in the position of censoring our own (collective) social media postings.

Set forth below are a set of guidelines presented to serve as guidance for anyone wishing to voluntarily help in the growth of the United States Pirate Party. Social media is tricky, so we wish to give you enough help so you can do it on your own. In other words, we’ll give everyone the length of rope required to hang themselves.

Goals

Social media should represent what the USPP represents, promoting platform friendly ideals and pirate friendly ideas. We would like all active social media accounts updated regularly. As we are presently all volunteers, if you think something needs updating, then volunteer to do it yourself. It is always better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. If you doubt yourself, follow the rule of three, consult with two other pirates.

Avoid:

  • Use of obscenity or profanity in any “official” USPP account.
  • Use of personal or ad hominem attacks (2) from any “official” USPP account.
  • Use of USPP accounts for personal gain.
  • Engaging with trolls.
  • Use of logical fallacies (3).

Try to:

  • Keep to the high road.
  • Be witty, but not vindictive.
  • Use logical arguments, backed by evidence.
  • Promote the candidates, state parties and platform ideals.
  • Make people want to support the USPP

We will develop guidelines for individual media types, but only in the case where general rules don’t seem to apply.

(2) Ad hominem attacks - Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument (ex. “You’re only saying that because you’re racist”)

(3) Logical Fallacies - a clearly defined error in reasoning used to support or refute an argument, excluding simple unintended mistakes. (ex. Straw man arguments: “Senator Smith says that the nation should not add to the defense budget. Senator Jones retorts that he cannot believe that Senator Smith wants to leave the nation defenseless.”) or (False Dichotomy: If you believe/don’t believe that, you can’t be a real pirate.)

Platform Specific Guidelines

Our accounts represent us all:

  • Never reply as an individual;
  • Always keep comments professional;
  • Failure to do so may result in revoking your posting permissions.

Facebook:

  • No liking disparaging comments towards individuals or groups.
  • No sharing hateful/inappropriate/non-pirate-applicable article/content.
  • Try to interact with respectful/positive comments towards the USPP.
  • Try to share platform-related content (pertaining to privacy, transparency, etc.)
  • Always allow the comment section of posts to be unlocked and available to the public.
  • Do not send messages in Facebook Messenger from the USPP Facebook (unless first prompted with a question)

Twitter:

  • No liking disparaging tweets towards individuals or groups.
  • No retweeting hateful/inappropriate/non-pirate-applicable article/content.
  • Try to retweet/promote state parties, candidates and pirate-friendly policies.
  • Do not block anyone on the official USPP account. We are pro-transparency.
  • Do not DM anyone not involved with the USPP from the USPP Twitter account.
  • [TWEETDECK ONLY] Attempt to schedule tweets for holidays, events, and/or special occasions.

Instagram:

  • No liking disparaging comments towards individuals or groups.
  • No posting/story-posting hateful/inappropriate/non-pirate-applicable article/content.
  • Posts should include, but not be limited to: information on candidates, state parties, policies or events.
  • Location should be included for photos of events.
  • Do not ‪DM anyone not involved with the USPP from the USPP Twitter account.

YouTube:

  • ❤️s left on comments should be restricted to complimentary comments toward the USPP, our policies and/or candidates.
  • Uploading videos of events (when applicable).
  • Do not reply to comments from the USPP YouTube account.
  • Do not send personal messages from the USPP YouTube account.
  • Promotion of any YouTube video/upload should be promoted on all social media related to USPP

Twitch:

  • Any USPP affiliate using Twitch in promotion of the USPP should refrain from being disparaging in any way, shape or form.
  • Ignore the insults, but stand firm. Corrections on comments/issues when applicable.
  • Twitch Streams may be uploaded to YouTube when applicable/be request

Discord:

  • Rules of the Discord serve, as laid out by the USPP, shall be followed. (https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=Discord_Rules)
  • As a representative of the USPP, no harassment via direct message or comment
  • Announcements tagging applicable groups (@everyone, @[state], @[region]) in regards to events or other happenings

Platform

IT

Reminder: April 2nd set as end of external lists (it & sab).

Next tasks:

  1. teach people how to use crew.uspirates.org to send emails - set for this Tuesday
  2. set a regular IT meeting
  3. archive SAB list messages
  4. update old pages in the blog/wiki such as the state contact pages

Conference/Elections Planning

Other

Decision

Attending

Non-Voting

Summary

Minutes

Record of the meeting

 


[9:00pm] Bosun: Please identify
[9:00pm] Yari: Rose Klein, California
[9:00pm] Bosun: Joseph Klein USPP Chair.
[9:00pm] Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice Chair USPP Wi
[9:01pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Secretary, Massachusetts
[9:01pm] jokeefe: glad to hear it Sayyida.
[9:02pm] pmchi joined the chat room.
[9:02pm] pmchi: Ahoy
[9:03pm] Yari: ID please

[9:03pm] Bosun: Hey Mitch - please ID.
[9:04pm] Bosun: Is something really slow in IRC land someplace?
[9:04pm] jokeefe: seems ok
[9:05pm] Sayyida: no pmchi isn't  responding
[9:05pm] Sayyida: irc is not laggy here
[9:05pm] Bosun: OK - hence my query.
[9:05pm] pmchi: Mitchel Davilo, Chicago/ILPP
[9:06pm] pmchi: My apologizes, I’m running back and forth
[9:06pm] Bosun: Reminder we should be switched on the e-mail list.
[9:06pm] jokeefe: thanks. I will send another reminder.
[9:07pm] jokeefe: then drop people from the sab list.
[9:07pm] jokeefe: or should I just add them to the list?
[9:07pm] Bosun: What is the new addess?
[9:08pm] jokeefe: uspp-sab@lists.uspirates.org
[9:09pm] Bosun: OK it is in my address book then.
[9:09pm] Yari: is opting out an easy process? If it's only one or two clicks, then I feel like its justified to just add people. But if more effort than that, Best policy is creating an opt-in only system.
[9:09pm] Yari: ^just my opinion
[9:10pm] Sayyida: just add everyone left over
[9:10pm] Sayyida: if they want to opt out they can do on their own
[9:12pm] pmchi: If it is okay, I have business I’d like to bring forth
[9:12pm] jokeefe: I will send you the list for review and then email them directly just to be sure?
[9:12pm] Bosun: We have anything from IT?
[9:12pm] Yari: pmchi if its the guidelines I was going to do as part of outreach
[9:13pm] pmchi: It is Yari nevermind then hahahah
[9:13pm] jokeefe: No update from IT. Will get regular meeting time/date settled.
[9:14pm] Bosun: OK should we discuss the outreach proposal?
[9:14pm] jokeefe: ++wonderful
[9:14pm] Yari: yes that would be great
[9:14pm] Yari: pmchi go ahead!
[9:14pm] pmchi: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/b4M6k1mQ/GUIDELINES+FOR+PNC+APPROVAL.docx
[9:15pm] Yari: pmchi and bosun worked on a proposal for guidelines for the USPP social media, we would like to have them approved by the PNC
[9:15pm] pmchi: I sent here the social media guidelines as approved by outreach, designated for PNC approval
[9:16pm] Bosun: Where footnotes added?
[9:17pm] Bosun: were
[9:17pm] pmchi: Between the sections “Try To” and “Platform Specific Guidelines”, I added footnotes for the terms “ad hominem attacks” and “logical fallacies”
[9:18pm] Bosun: ok
[9:18pm] Bosun: think that was the only request.
[9:18pm] Yari: apologies, we should have sent this to jokeefe and added this to the agenda so that others could read beforehand.
[9:18pm] pmchi: Both terms marked with “**” and “***” respectively to dictate we have provided definitions and examples
[9:19pm] Yari: That's on me
[9:20pm] jokeefe: I am adding the text to the meeting wiki page
[9:20pm] Yari: thanks jokeefe, I was trying to do that as well but I'm not as efficient
[9:22pm] jokeefe: thanks Yari
[9:23pm] jokeefe: https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=PNC_04/18/21#USPP_Social_Media_Guidelines
[9:23pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 04/18/21 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
[9:24pm] Sayyida: obscenity is spelt wrong
[9:24pm] Sayyida: I would also like to just add under each of these that the youtube, instagram, and discord have stated
[9:25pm] Sayyida: don't reply as an individual, as this is a handle that represents us all
[9:25pm] Sayyida: keep it professional, posting permissions will be revoked
[9:25pm] Bosun: voice from the other room suggest reiterating that this is a party platform and personal comments should be avoided.
[9:26pm] Bosun: yes ... that
[9:26pm] Bosun: May we give it a thumbs up now?
[9:27pm] Sayyida: move to accept with changes
[9:27pm] Bosun: motion on the floor
[9:27pm] Yari: 2nd
[9:27pm] pmchi: 2nd
[9:27pm] Bosun: @jokeefe?
[9:28pm] jokeefe: It is a good effort. No objections.
[9:28pm] Bosun: I'll take that as afirmative
[9:28pm] jokeefe: I taked it from Yari / pmchi’s 2nds that Sayyida’s comments are accepted?
[9:28pm] Bosun: yes
[9:28pm] jokeefe: ok, will update the text
[9:29pm] Bosun: please set the record to reflect that.
[9:29pm] Sayyida: not to be rude but its not like it technically matters as they are not board members and can not vote on the matter
[9:29pm] Sayyida: but yea looks like its all good
[9:29pm] Sayyida: we are out of time
[9:29pm] Sayyida: anything else?
[9:29pm] jokeefe: They proposed it, seems only respectful to make sure they agree
[9:30pm] Bosun: Yari brought a point of order - Yari can vote on the subject as the head of the comitee
[9:30pm] Sayyida: jokeefe, let me rephrase to be clear, yes its respectful, but for the rules of voting and whatnot they can not 2nd or vote
[9:31pm] Bosun: cool
[9:31pm] Sayyida: I am not saying it doesn't matter as an emotional statement im saying for the point of order, our voting eligibility, and who qualifies as a state reflects on if they can vote or not
[9:31pm] Bosun: if we have no objections then it is accepted?
[9:32pm] Sayyida: yes
[9:32pm] jokeefe: I agree Sayyida.
[9:32pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
[9:32pm] Bosun: Anything elese
[9:33pm] Bosun: Half hour is up.
[9:33pm] Bosun: motion to adjourn.
[9:33pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[9:34pm] Bosun: all in favor?
[9:34pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:34pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:34pm] Sayyida: good night
[9:34pm] Momma_turtle left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving)
[9:34pm] Sayyida left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving)
[9:34pm] Bosun: Good night and thank you all.

Post-meeting Addendum:
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Bosun / Yari / pmchi:
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Added below Platform Specific Guidelines:
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Our accounts represent us all:
[9:35pm] jokeefe: * Never reply as an individual;
[9:35pm] jokeefe: * Always keep comments professional;
[9:35pm] jokeefe: * Failure to do so may result in revoking your posting permissions.
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Sound good?
[9:36pm] pmchi: Aye aye
[9:36pm] Yari: aye
[9:36pm] Yari: thank you for friendly edits
[9:37pm] jokeefe: sure. Will get this posted today
[9:38pm] jokeefe: happy to help