PNC 04/08/19

::PNC Meeting Agenda::

--- 04/08/2019 21:00h EDT ---

IRC: irc.pirateirc.net

Room: #uspp

Wiki: https://wiki.pirate-party.us/w/index.php?title=PNC_03/11/19

Minutes

Record of the meeting

 
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@jokeefe
ahoy 
Sayyida
ahoy jokeefe 
how are you 
Pirate_Joe
Ahoy 
@jokeefe
I am well. Tired though. 
Pirate_Joe
May we add the discussion of individual autonomy? 
@jokeefe
always 
Sayyida
sure. I do have a question to throw out there 

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Sayyida
I just got back from family and I don't know if theres enough to really talk about in the meeting tonight I was wanting to know if everyone wanted to ha 
have an optional meeting 
Bosun
Ha? 
@jokeefe
well, we could endorse the release of Chelsea Manning or support #SaveYourInternet 
Bosun
Yes 
Pirate_Joe
Aye 
@jokeefe
Support the efforts in Congress to limit mass surveillance or support Net Neutrality 
Bosun
It also looks like Asange will be arrested by the US. 
Pirate_Joe
We do have plenty to discuss but if you are not feeling well, we understand Sayyida 
Then again, I could talk all night. ^^, 
Sayyida
Pirate_Joe, I think i will take my leave. Thank you. I could probably talk all night too, just not cohearently 
I need to address a few emails that seem more like hate fan mail than questions and assessment 
that will wait until tomorrow 
@jokeefe
Meet in two weeks then? Should we just bring statements to the sab list? 
Hope you feel better Sayyida 
Sayyida
jokeefe, yes 
thank you 
Pirate_Joe
W 
Would you like me to continue the meeting then? 
Sayyida
Pirate_Joe, the floor is yours 
@jokeefe
always defer hate fan mail to when you are better able to deal with them 
Pirate_Joe
^ 
Sayyida
have a great night everyone 
Pirate_Joe
You as well, please feel better! 
@jokeefe
you too! 

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Pirate_Joe
So lets call this meeting to order 
Ids? 
Joseph Onoroski, Vice Chair, Massachusetts 
@jokeefe
James O’Keefe, Massachusetts 
Pirate_Joe
Bosun? 

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Pirate_Joe
Welcome bosun_laptop 
Pirate_Joe
ids? 
bosun_laptop
bosun Joseph Klein Wisconsin 
Pirate_Joe
I hope to have a less formal meeting and keep the floor open to discussion. 
First, any comments or concerns with the previous meeting? 
@jokeefe
Suggest we support the release of Chelsea Manning 
and post a statement on our blog linking to ways to help her 
Pirate_Joe
And Assange 
@jokeefe
I’ll write the statement for Manning, but I would not feel comfortable writing one for Assange. I also think they need to be kept separate 
Pirate_Joe
Agreed 
bosun_laptop, would you mind doing a piece on Assange? 
bosun_laptop
when the time comes .... did you see the  UN letter on Assange 
? 
Pirate_Joe
I have not yet 
bosun_laptop
I'll dig it up and post it to the mailing list 
@jokeefe
Nor I. 
Pirate_Joe
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-assange-un/u-n-tells-uk-allow-assange-to-leave-ecuador-em... 
papegaai
Title: U.N. tells UK: Allow Assange to leave Ecuador embassy freely - Reuters (at www.reuters.com) 
bosun_laptop
you got it. 
I have screamimg baby exuse me. 
Pirate_Joe
Yeah, he should have our full support 
lol, I have 2 of those myself. ^^, 
Pirate_Joe
I think we should still be focused on our core issues.  The first of which should be our national policies.  Freedom of Speech and information has been the bedrock by which we support our nation 
Pirate_Joe
By showing Manning and Assange support holds true to our principles.  All in favor of writing up two statements to be released? 
@jokeefe
Aye 
Pirate_Joe
Aye 
Pirate_Joe
So for individual autonomy, do we have a link to the MA statement? 
@jokeefe
will get it 
“Democracy can only be sustained when individuals are able to exercise autonomy over their own lives and bodies to assure their well-being and happiness, while respecting the autonomy of other individuals. We call for fully participatory political and social systems, vastly more equitable access to resources, and minimal intrusion by government, corporate and other private interests into the lives of individuals.” 
https://masspirates.org/blog/2019/04/03/affirming-individual-autonomy/ 
Pirate_Joe
Lets table this topic for next session so we can have more voices on it. 
@jokeefe
works for me 
Pirate_Joe
Next, lets talk again on Article 13 
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-article-13-article-11-european-directive-on-copyright-explai... 
papegaai
Title: What is Article 13? The EU's divisive new copyright plan explained | WIRED UK (at www.wired.co.uk) 
Pirate_Joe
and why it matters here 
Bosun
I support the statement 
Pirate_Joe
WB Bosun 
I would like your input on the few items we discussed 
@jokeefe
https://boingboing.net/2019/03/26/eus-parliament-signs-off-on.html 
papegaai
Title: EU’s Parliament signs off on disastrous internet law: what happens next? / Boing Boing (at boingboing.net) 
Pirate_Joe
How do you feel on affirming individual autonomy 
Bosun
It is difficult to pontificate with a hungry baby in my arms ... 
Pirate_Joe
Agreed. 
And I understand 
@jokeefe
Perhaps we should move this discussion to email 
I will write a Manning statement and send it to the list for review 
Pirate_Joe
Or postpone it to the next meeting 
Thank you jokeefe 
@jokeefe
Also on Article 13/11: https://juliareda.eu/2019/04/copyright-final-vote/ 
Pirate_Joe
Lets finish our discussion on 11 and 13 
So Germany is our best chance to stop this? 
Bosun
The US and the world is sliding away from support of the four freedoms - Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from fear, freedom from want. Assange and Manning are a slide into fear - fear of retribution for leaking information 
@jokeefe
Not much we can do besides support Pirates in Europe 
Pirate_Joe
We should reach out to our German counterparts and offer our support. 
I will be happy to do that one. 
@jokeefe
I reached out to some Dutch Pirates, but good to reach out to other Pirate Parties. 
Bosun
We can support human rights. Essentially these are human rights issues. 
Pirate_Joe
Agreed Bosun 
Pirate_Joe
I would even go as far as to say that freedom of internet is freedom of speech. 
Bosun
 Yes. 
Pirate_Joe
Seems obvious after I say it, but I don't think I have ever heard it before now that I think about it. 
@jokeefe
Aye 
Bosun
And monitoring is an implement of fear. 
Pirate_Joe
Hmm, Maybe add that as a pirate principle or at the very least as a statement. 
Unless your in to it, which we also support peoples right to be viewed in the public eye. 
Bosun
We differentiate government monitoring people and people monitoring government. 
Pirate_Joe
I am very against people recording others without consent.  That is usually the government's MO 
Though if you work for or are in government, having a camera in your face should be part of the job. 
@jokeefe
Public places are public. Though for the government or a corporation there is a difference between recording something and following a person’s every move 
Bosun
If we hold to the enlightenment principle that the sovereign is the people, then we deserve to know what our government and its employees are up to. 
Pirate_Joe
Aye 
Bosun
Corporations are creations of the state, and since the state is a creation of the people, then corporations are also under the people. 
@jokeefe
One would think 
Pirate_Joe
That's the way it is in principle, but not in practice. 
Any single body with enough power will bend the rules to favor it. That's why we need to balance out the system 
Bosun
They try not to be - that inversion is Oligarchy - really the owners running the government. 
Excessive economic power distorts political power. 
@jokeefe
On that issue, this is a good series: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/04/the-delphic-oracle-was-their-davos-a-four-part-interview-wit... 
Pirate_Joe
It's still oligarchy but without them having to revel whom they are... 
Pirate_Joe
So with that said 
I would like your opion on a particular company I am keenly aware of. 
opinion 
viewpointmonitoring.com/ 
this is a company that profits on spying on people 
There are plenty of them 
Bosun
Bolshevik communism attempted to make the Communist Party into the owners (the dictatorship of the proletariate) bet in the end it degenerated into a capitalist oligarchy. 
@jokeefe
It looks like another surveillance company. there are many 
Pirate_Joe
There are.  If we were to really go after them, we need to go after their vendors 
There are only a hundreds instead of thosands. 
But a simply policy of non-recording of others for profit would shut down most of them. 
The question would be how to shut down their vendors, such as the camera makers. 
http://avigilon.com/ 
papegaai
Title: Home | Avigilon (at avigilon.com) 
Pirate_Joe
They use AI to 
@jokeefe
CCTVs are used for security, public surveillance, work place surveillance. lot’s of avenues for challenge 
Bosun
I have to take care of screaming child again. I will have to continue this discussion another time 
Pirate_Joe
Motion to Adjourn? 

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@jokeefe
2nd 
Pirate_Joe
We are at time anyways Bosun and jokeefe. 
All in favor 
Aye 
@jokeefe
aye 

  

1 - ATTENDEES

1.1 - Members of the PNC

Attending

Excused

Unexcused

Probation

1.3 - Officers of the PNC

• Chairperson - Meg Klein
• Vice Chair - Joseph Onoroski
• Secretary - Joseph Klein

2 - PROCEEDINGS

• Meeting called to order at: _____pm EDT
• Meeting chaired by _________
• Secretary for this meeting is _________
• Quorum is established: _____ Members present
• Logging Enabled:

3 Review of previous minutes

https://pnc.piratenpad.de/2019-03-25

4 - Agenda Items

Review last meeting what do we need to focus on? Statement of support for Manning - Jamie Statement of support for Assange - tabled Affirming individual autonomy - tabled Offer support to the German Pirates - Joseph

Tasks

Status of:

1. update website.
2. Update the wiki - specifically which state chapter status
3. Bonus round! CIVICRM

- AOB -

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• Next meeting: ______ at _:__PM EDT
• Meeting closed: ____________