PNC 01/16/2022

Agenda

Discussion

Old Business

• A tabled motion to update ARTICLE IV: Officers, §1 to change the bullet points to numbers;
• and ARTICLE IV: Officers, §2 to:

Section 2: Eligibility

1. To be eligible to hold one of the positions set forth in Art. IV §1, a candidate must:
   1. be an active member of their State Pirate Party, or actively involved in Pirate politics if no state party exists;
   2. attend at least one meeting prior to any vote to appoint them where PNC members can interview them. Meeting may be by video or IRC, but potential candidates must be able to answer questions asked by PNC members in the forum;
2. To be eligible to hold the position of Captain set forth in Art. IV §1.1, a candidate must not be a Representative of a Member State, or must abdicate the role of Representative upon election as Captain.

New Business

• Discussion of Pirate National Conference

Summary

By 4-0-0, adopted update to:

• ARTICLE IV: Officers, §1 to change the bullet points to numbers;
• and ARTICLE IV: Officers, §2 to:

Section 2: Eligibility

1. To be eligible to hold one of the positions set forth in Art. IV §1, a candidate must:
   1. be an active member of their State Pirate Party, or actively involved in Pirate politics if no state party exists;
   2. attend at least one meeting prior to any vote to appoint them where PNC members can interview them. Meeting may be by video, IRC, or other shared electronic media, but potential candidates must be able to answer questions asked by PNC members in the forum;
2. To be eligible to hold the position of Captain set forth in Art. IV §1.1, a candidate must not be a Representative of a Member State, or must abdicate the role of Representative upon election as Captain.

Minutes

Record of the meeting

[9:02pm] yari: Calling this meeting of the PNC to order at 9:02pm EST
[9:02pm] yari: IDs please
[9:02pm] Wodensday: Anthony Jay, INPP
[9:02pm] yari: Rose Klein, PNC chair
[9:02pm] Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Treasurer, Massachusetts
[9:02pm] Sayyida: Megan Klein, Wisconsin
[9:03pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Secretary, Massachusetts
[9:03pm] Cait joined the chat room.
[9:03pm] pmchi: Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
[9:04pm] yari: Let's get started with reports. IT - jokeefe?
[9:05pm] jokeefe: We had an issue with one of the pages pointing to wiki.pirate-party.ue
[9:05pm] jokeefe: That is fixed and the state parties should now all point to wiki.uspirates.org.
[9:06pm] jokeefe: Updated all the state party pages and updated links to them on the front page
[9:06pm] jokeefe: we have an ssl issue with *.pirate-party.us that I put a ticket into mayfirst about. hopefully they will fix it soon.
[9:06pm] yari: fantastic, thank you for fixing that.
[9:07pm] jokeefe: It would be good if the state parties updated their pages.
[9:07pm] Wodensday: Noted.
[9:07pm] rc joined the chat room.
[9:07pm] jokeefe: Also, most state party pages have a consistent look
[9:07pm] rc: hello
[9:07pm] rc left the chat room. (connection closed)
[9:07pm] Cait left the chat room. (connection closed)
[9:07pm] rc joined the chat room.
[9:07pm] yari: rc, please ID for the record
[9:07pm] rc: hdllo
[9:07pm] jokeefe: On crew, finding time to meet with Bosun to fix it.
[9:08pm] Cait joined the chat room.
[9:08pm] rc: richard lee carro, illinois, cook county,
[9:08pm] yari: thank you rc
[9:08pm] rc: Zip,code
[9:08pm] rc: :
[9:08pm] yari: I don't need your Zip
[9:08pm] rc: Oh. Srry i was gonna put,my adress lmao. Ty
[9:08pm] Radiojoe joined the chat room.
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[9:08pm] yari: We are currently getting IT reports
[9:09pm] rc: i see
[9:09pm] Radiojoe: Hi, William Dappen, CA
[9:09pm] yari: rc it is always just state and name, never more than that
[9:09pm] jokeefe: that is all I have to report
[9:09pm] yari: welcome Radiojoe
[9:09pm] yari: thank you jokeefe
[9:09pm] Joe: Old business before new business 
[9:10pm] yari: moving on to Platform committee - Joe, anything to report?
[9:10pm] Wodensday: (I may be afk for one moment)
[9:10pm] Joe: Unfortunately I was unable to attend the last meeting.
[9:11pm] Joe: I plan to work the master list tomorrow and then implement a more structured presentation of the meetings
[9:11pm] Joe: Ie, old business via meeting notes of last meeting
[9:11pm] Joe: Easier to document and send to jokeefe for our wiki
[9:11pm] rc left the chat room. (connection closed)
[9:12pm] Joe: That is all of the platform committee atm
[9:12pm] yari: Thank you Joe. Since Wodensday is afk, I will move on to swarmcare. pmchi - anything to report?
[9:13pm] Cait joined the chat room.
[9:13pm] pmchi: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XgrgOVKr
[9:13pm] papegaai: Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
[9:13pm] rc joined the chat room.
[9:13pm] pmchi: My apologizes, I copy and pasted that from my notes and it came out a note itself
[9:14pm] Cait left the chat room. (connection closed)
[9:14pm] rc: so no new pirate parties?
[9:14pm] rc: from the former greens
[9:15pm] rc left the chat room. (connection closed)
[9:15pm] yari: For the record, I am going to post what you tried to paste:
[9:15pm] yari: Pmchi: The letter from the Green Party of Alaska was returned due to a lack of a claimant, which means I have no way to get in contact with the Green Party of Alaska. Physically, that is. I’d still like a firm no, so I will try again in March after some time.
[9:16pm] yari: No word yet from Rhode Island.  We received an inquiry about forming a pirate party of Missouri. I gave a brief run through with Caden about the necessary steps to take. 
[9:16pm] yari: Yesterday, I had a meeting with Common Ground USA, a Georgist organization. The meeting concluded with them asking “Hey Mitch, can you write an article about the Pirate Party for our website? We need to post anything to update the site, so anything you write will be good.”  This is a great opportunity to write a fluff piece, talking about the Pirate Party and Pirate Politics in general, and getting eyes on us from a group of folks who are interested in w
[9:16pm] yari: what we are and do. I’ll be writing a piece for us later this week, and if there’s anything in particular you’d like me to mention, please reach out or whip up a section and I’ll comply!  That is all from Swarmcare
[9:17pm] pmchi: Muchísimas gracias
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Green Party of Alaska’s web site (https://greenpartyalaska.org/) returns 404
[9:17pm] pmchi: The website is down and the PO Box seems a no-go. Only email seems to be the valid form of contact now
[9:18pm] yari: Thank you for the report, pmchi. Do we have any reports from the treasury? Joe?
[9:18pm] Sayyida_ joined the chat room.
[9:18pm] Joe: Yes, I added MA dues and some personal extra in the amount of $40.
[9:19pm] Sayyida left the chat room. (connection closed)
[9:19pm] Sayyida_ is now known as Sayyida.
[9:19pm] Sayyida: Bosun as sayyida
[9:19pm] Joe: Our grand total of available funds is $180 and growing.
[9:19pm] Megan joined the chat room.
[9:19pm] Wodensday: (Back)
[9:20pm] Joe: Wb and Ahoy Bosun and Meg
[9:20pm] Megan: Megan Klein, re entering
[9:20pm] yari: Thank you, Joe. Anything from vice-chair? Sayyida? (also can you please re-ID)
[9:20pm] Sayyida: Joe Klein vice chair
[9:20pm] yari: anything to report?
[9:22pm] Bosun_ joined the chat room.
[9:22pm] Sayyida: No
[9:22pm] yari: Okay, thank you.
[9:22pm] Bosun_: Back as bosun
[9:22pm] Bosun_: kinda
[9:22pm] yari: Anything from the secretary? jokeefe?
[9:23pm] jokeefe: No updates.
[9:23pm] yari: And Wodensday you're on deck for Outreach report
[9:24pm] yari: thanks jokeefe. Wodensday go for it
[9:24pm] Wodensday: Outreach’s big ask this week was that I got in touch with jokeefe about the zazzle store. Which I did. I think the hopes now is that we update some of our merch with event handouts in mind.
[9:24pm] Wodensday: That’s all I really have to report. I’m hoping something comes of this by the end of the month
[9:25pm] Joe: May I add a request for the zazzle store?
[9:25pm] Wodensday: Shoot
[9:25pm] Joe: Black shirt, simple flag
[9:25pm] Joe: Vote pirate, demand freedom
[9:25pm] Wodensday: Request noted
[9:26pm] yari: Thank you Wodensday. Is there any discussion or debate with regard to the reports as they have been presented?
[9:26pm] Bosun_: May I comment?
[9:26pm] yari: Bosun_, you have the floor.
[9:28pm] Bosun_: Zazzle - I think is an OK intermediate - It gets gear and a shop. I politically would prefer a union producer using American made products.
[9:29pm] Wodensday: Absolutely noted. It’s sort of a bandaid for the time being for sure. When we can scale we will scale ethically. I think we all look forward to that.
[9:29pm] Bosun_: I have had my say.
[9:29pm] yari: Your comment is noted, Bosun. Is there any further discussion or debate?
[9:29pm] Joe: May I?
[9:29pm] yari: Joe, you have the floor
[9:30pm] Joe: For the national level this should be a good starting point but on a state level local non-corp would be much easier.
[9:31pm] Joe: Find a local print marketing guy or even save for a print press to make our own. Low threshold.
[9:31pm] Joe: I yield.
[9:31pm] yari: Thank you, Joe. Is there any furthere discussion or debate?
[9:31pm] R0b0t1: Addon to that?
[9:31pm] Wodensday: Another good point.
[9:32pm] yari: R0b0t1, you have the floor.
[9:32pm] Wodensday: If I ever need like a banner to put on a table I’m going to my local guy I know and I would suggest everyone else do the same
[9:32pm] R0b0t1: Comment in this vein, though maybe he's just talking about merch -- I don't know what finances look like or how you're intending to structure things, but a good first step is probably to help people find the info in their state to run as an independent without a party. It can be easier to do this. I looked up doing this in my previous residence, MO. There are often very local positions that can be used to gain a foot into the door, but I think it equally v
[9:32pm] R0b0t1: alid.
[9:32pm] R0b0t1: to go for a higher position
[9:33pm] R0b0t1: Even if you don't win you're forcing people to interact with consituents.
[9:33pm] Bosun_: Even unions have no objections to volunteer labor using a silk screen.
[9:33pm] R0b0t1: I'm done, apologies if the discussion was supposed to be about shirts still :')
[9:33pm] yari: Thank you, R0b0t1. Is there any further discussion or debate on the reports as given?
[9:34pm] Joe: https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600192318293/Custom-30CM-T-Shirt-PET-film-Printing.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D
[9:35pm] papegaai: Title: Alibaba Manufacturer Directory (at m.alibaba.com)
[9:35pm] yari: hearing none, we will move on to old business.
[9:36pm] yari: In old business, there is a tabled motion to add a requirement for eligibility to officer positions.
[9:36pm] yari: I recommend everyone read it as written in the agenda: https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=PNC_01/16/2022
[9:36pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 01/16/2022 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
[9:36pm] jokeefe: https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=PNC_01/16/2022#Old_Business
[9:36pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 01/16/2022 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
[9:36pm] jokeefe: I updated it, as requested
[9:36pm] yari: I saw, thank you.
[9:37pm] jokeefe: also added a bit of clean up
[9:38pm] Bosun_: I will be happy to move it if the scretary will cut and past the text into the IRC
[9:38pm] jokeefe: doing so
[9:38pm] Wodensday: When the time comes I’d like to amend part of the proposal.
[9:38pm] jokeefe: A tabled motion to update ARTICLE IV: Officers, §1 to change the bullet points to numbers;
[9:38pm] jokeefe: and ARTICLE IV: Officers, §2 to:
[9:38pm] jokeefe: Section 2: Eligibility
[9:38pm] jokeefe: To be eligible to hold one of the positions set forth in Art. IV §1, a candidate must:
[9:38pm] jokeefe: be an active member of their State Pirate Party, or actively involved in Pirate politics if no state party exists;
[9:38pm] jokeefe: attend at least one meeting prior to any vote to appoint them where PNC members can interview them. Meeting may be by video or IRC, but potential candidates must be able to answer questions asked by PNC members in the forum;
[9:38pm] jokeefe: To be eligible to hold the position of Captain set forth in Art. IV §1.1, a candidate must not be a Representative of a Member State, or must abdicate the role of Representative upon election as Captain.
[9:39pm] yari: Bosun_, I take that as a motion in favor of passing this?
[9:39pm] Bosun_: So moved
[9:39pm] yari: lovely, thank you. Do I hear a second?
[9:40pm] pmchi: I’d like to hear Wodensday’s amendment first
[9:40pm] Megan: aye
[9:40pm] Megan: yari: you hear a second to hear it
[9:40pm] yari: We can make amendments if there is a second
[9:40pm] Wodensday: I would suggest we change “IRC” to “text” so this interview could be conducted over discord if that’s what we decide. I see no reason to limit it
[9:40pm] yari: but sure, I get the picture.
[9:40pm] Wodensday: Ah, I get it
[9:40pm] yari: We all need a primer on RONR
[9:40pm] Wodensday: I’ll second for the sake of making my argument
[9:41pm] Wodensday: I know that’s wacky
[9:41pm] Wodensday: But hear me our
[9:42pm] yari: Wodesnday - that's a great amendement to propose.
[9:42pm] jokeefe: text could be stretched to include email …
[9:42pm] Wodensday: Live chat
[9:43pm] Bosun_: How about Meeting may be by video or IRC, or other shared electronic media ...
[9:43pm] pmchi: Text is a nice, broad word
[9:43pm] Joe: Too broad unfortunately. We are better off being specific.
[9:43pm] Megan: I dont understand
[9:43pm] Joe: 2nd Bosun's version
[9:44pm] yari: Bosun, do you accept the second?
[9:44pm] Bosun_: yes
[9:44pm] Joe: Broad = more ways to find loopholes
[9:45pm] yari: It has been properly moved and seconded to amend the motion to read: "meeting may be by video or IRC, or other shared electronic media".
[9:45pm] yari: Is there any discussion or debate?
[9:45pm] Wodensday: I’m fine with However want to do it, I just want to expand it a little. I’m good with this
[9:45pm] yari: further discussion or debate?
[9:45pm] Megan: I understand. no questions from me
[9:46pm] pmchi: None
[9:46pm] Bosun_: call the vote please
[9:46pm] yari: hearing no further debate, please vote aye or nay to amend the motion.
[9:46pm] Wodensday: Aye
[9:47pm] Megan: aye
[9:47pm] pmchi: Aye
[9:47pm] Bosun_: Megan is voting WI
[9:47pm] yari: Joe or jokeefe for MA?
[9:47pm] Joe: Aye
[9:47pm] yari: the amendment is passed 4-0
[9:48pm] yari: We are back at the main motion, which has now been modified.
[9:48pm] yari: Is there any further discussion or debate on the main motion, which I will post a modified version of shortly?
[9:49pm] Wodensday: No other debate from IN
[9:49pm] jokeefe: Motion to update:
[9:49pm] jokeefe: * ARTICLE IV: Officers, §1 to change the bullet points to numbers;
[9:49pm] jokeefe: * and ARTICLE IV: Officers, §2 to:
[9:49pm] jokeefe: Section 2: Eligibility
[9:49pm] jokeefe: # To be eligible to hold one of the positions set forth in Art. IV §1, a candidate must:
[9:49pm] jokeefe: ## be an active member of their State Pirate Party, or actively involved in Pirate politics if no state party exists;
[9:49pm] jokeefe: ## attend at least one meeting prior to any vote to appoint them where PNC members can interview them. Meeting may be by video, IRC, or other shared electronic media, but potential candidates must be able to answer questions asked by PNC members in the forum;
[9:49pm] jokeefe: # To be eligible to hold the position of Captain set forth in Art. IV §1.1, a candidate must not be a Representative of a Member State, or must abdicate the role of Representative upon election as Captain.
[9:49pm] Bosun_: Chair please call the vote please
[9:49pm] jokeefe: I removed the extra “or” in the added text so it would read better.
[9:49pm] Bosun_: cool
[9:50pm] yari: Bosun_, while I appreciate your enthusiasm to get the meeting over with, I also would like to wait a moment so that others have a chance to type.
[9:50pm] yari: There is a very specific amount of time that I always wait before calling votes and it is the same every time.
[9:50pm] Bosun_: My appologies for mt breech of decorum.
[9:51pm] Bosun_: .. my ..
[9:51pm] yari: Hearing no further discussion or debate, please vote aye or nay on the main motion, as posted above.
[9:51pm] Megan: aye
[9:52pm] Wodensday: Aye
[9:52pm] pmchi: Aye
[9:52pm] Joe left the chat room. (connection closed)
[9:52pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:52pm] Joe: Aye
[9:53pm] yari: Calling the vote, the motion passes, 4-0.
[9:53pm] yari: There is no further old business, and we move on to new business.
[9:53pm] Joe: https://m.alibaba.com/product/62428001297/5-in-1-heat-press-machine.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D
[9:54pm] papegaai: Title: Alibaba Manufacturer Directory (at m.alibaba.com)
[9:54pm] Joe: Printing press for $125