Outreach 08/31/2021

Attendees

• Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
• Anthony Jay, IN
• Rose Klein, CA, PNC chair
• Joe Klein, USPP vice chair

Agenda

New Business

• USPP Statement on Afghanistan
• Blogging efforts

Transcript

[8:04:49 PM] <wodensday> I am calling this meeting to oder at 9:04 eastern time.
[8:04:54 PM] <wodensday> order*
[8:04:58 PM] <wodensday> IDs?
[8:05:02 PM] <pmchi> Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
[8:05:04 PM] <wodensday> Anthony Jay, IN
[8:05:44 PM] <yari> Rose Klein, CA, PNC chair
[8:06:05 PM] <wodensday> Meeting agenda can be found here: https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=Outreach_08/31/2021
[8:06:20 PM] <papegaai> Title: Outreach 08/31/2021 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
[8:07:16 PM] <wodensday> I originally wanted to coordinate the future of the website blog, but it may benefit us to take this time to edit our address on Afghanistan as a group.
[8:08:04 PM] <pmchi> Second. For what it’s worth, the group draft thus far is moving in a good, cohesive way
[8:08:40 PM] <yari> Can you link it here again for record
[8:08:43 PM] <wodensday> Should I go ahead and post our etherpad here for the record? 
[8:08:50 PM] <wodensday> Yes
[8:08:57 PM] <wodensday> https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/USPPAfghanistanStatement
[8:08:59 PM] <papegaai> Title: Etherpad (at etherpad.pp-international.net)
[8:10:24 PM] <wodensday> I think we have a very solid core here. We seem to have two primary theses: Jokeefe and Pmchi discuss how our money could have been better spent, and since then Yari and I have brought in some notes on neo-colonialism and its impact.
[8:11:04 PM] <wodensday> Well, I shouldn't assume who wrote each part, but I have an educated guess.
[8:11:47 PM] <wodensday> How do we feel about this so far?
[8:12:04 PM] <pmchi> We’ll just put it as: two very important issues regarding the Afghan War and occupation are covered well in the article
[8:13:12 PM] <pmchi> For a four person (minimum, maybe more have contributed) group project, it’s turning out incredible well written. The input of the members gives for a far more well rounded take without sounding scrambled
[8:13:47 PM] <wodensday> I am definitely pretty proud of what we've already put together in one day with zero communication.
[8:13:57 PM] ⓘ ChanServ gives ops to Bosun
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[8:14:14 PM] <wodensday> Good evening, Bosun
[8:14:27 PM] <Bosun> Whats up?
[8:14:46 PM] <pmchi> It’s almost like it pays off having multiple, well informed writers
[8:14:58 PM] <wodensday> We are editing our address on Afghanistan as a group.
[8:15:02 PM] <pmchi> Ahoy Bosun
[8:15:09 PM] <wodensday> (Don't forget to ID please)
[8:16:26 PM] <wodensday> So, do we want to do editing or serious revising? It sounds like we may be ready to go line by line with what we have.
[8:16:26 PM] <Bosun> Joe Klein, USPP vice chair.
[8:16:46 PM] <Bosun> So what ddo you have so far.
[8:16:59 PM] <wodensday> I will link it again for Bosun, https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/USPPAfghanistanStatement
[8:17:00 PM] <papegaai> Title: Etherpad (at etherpad.pp-international.net)
[8:18:14 PM] <wodensday> I've definitely noticed some small edits we could do. For one, it may be better to take that Wikipedia link out of the response itself and put it somewhere else.
[8:18:42 PM] <wodensday> For example, on a reply tweet for when we inevitably tweet this out.
[8:19:12 PM] <Bosun> footnote
[8:19:37 PM] <yari> I don't think that going line by line will get us much. Though, if people have specific lines they have thoughts on?
[8:20:06 PM] <yari> Like you said, specific edits
[8:20:30 PM] <wodensday> Footnote works
[8:20:58 PM] <wodensday> Yes, that's more what I mean. 
[8:22:13 PM] <wodensday> This sentence is a bit large and complex:
[8:22:46 PM] <wodensday> "Post WWII the United States increasingly took on the. roll of enforcing a (not well thought out) Eruo-Capitalist world view, exerting its power via economic institutions like the World Bank, and military aliences in a new global "Great Game" against the Soviet Union and China. Russian, Chineses, EU, and American efforts to for each to create stratigic advantage  for themselves in the belly of Asia have been tthe cause of conflict from the Eastern Mediteranean to the Gulf of Tonkin."
[8:23:51 PM] <wodensday> As though provoking of a phrase as "Euro-capitalist" is, I wonder if we can just get by with "enforcing their own world views"
[8:24:04 PM] <wodensday> thougt*
[8:25:23 PM] <pmchi> Why not “neo-imperial” or just “imperial”
[8:25:25 PM] <Bosun> It how about "enforcing a western first world world view."
[8:25:55 PM] <Bosun> It how about "enforcing a western first world order"
[8:25:58 PM] <pmchi> Or Western Democratic
[8:26:33 PM] <Bosun> Imperialism is not Democratic. 
[8:26:41 PM] <wodensday> "enforcing a west-first world view"
[8:27:12 PM] <pmchi> You’ve clearly never heard of the Wilsonian Doctrine
[8:27:12 PM] <Bosun> I like that. 
[8:27:41 PM] <wodensday> Finding an adjective that explains the 17 different problems with out foreign policy while still being concise is difficult 
[8:28:41 PM] <wodensday> My full suggestion would be along the lines of:
[8:29:01 PM] <wodensday> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/0173f30cb1b8addef2e7b1e55038a5ba/pasted.txt
[8:29:14 PM] <Bosun> Wilson''s doctrine only served the US and Europe. 
[8:31:25 PM] <wodensday> Post WWII, the United States increasingly took on the role of enforcing a west-first worldview, exerting its power in a new "Great Game" against the Soviet Union and China. Various countries have rushed to create a strategic advantage for themselves in the East, and its civilians have paid the price.
[8:31:36 PM] <yari> I have a question: in Biden's speech, there was a clear pivot to investing in an ongoing military effort (whether labelled as war or not) to push back the PRC. Do we want to mention that specifically?
[8:31:54 PM] <wodensday> That's my suggestion for revision
[8:32:35 PM] <Bosun> https://www.historynet.com/trying-to-win-wilsons-backing.htm
[8:32:36 PM] <papegaai> Title: Trying to Win Wilson's Backing Against the French (at www.historynet.com)
[8:33:10 PM] <wodensday> I'm not sure, I feel as if our knowledge that this isn't truly over may be a subject for another day, or better left as a small note in the conclusion 
[8:34:07 PM] <Bosun> It is a simpler statement.
[8:34:38 PM] <yari> Fair enough.
[8:35:20 PM] <wodensday> (Also, please motion if you would like to accept any large changes, since we are doing this as a group and messing with each others' stuff.)
[8:36:33 PM] <Bosun> China wants to fill the power vacuum to get its hands on lithium, which Afghanistan has the worlds largest reserve.
[8:37:46 PM] <Bosun> Plenty of greed and bloody hands for all great nations.
[8:40:12 PM] <wodensday> So far, I'm hearing my discussion on line 7's paragraph reciprocated. How would we like to tweak it?
[8:40:26 PM] <wodensday> Pmchi, any thoughts so far?
[8:40:44 PM] <yari> I move to accept the change suggested by wodensday, thus amending the paragraph on the historical context of the great game to: "Post WWII, the United States increasingly took on the role of enforcing a west-first worldview, exerting its power in a new "Great Game" against the Soviet Union and China. Various countries have rushed to create a strategic advantage for themselves in the East, and its civilians have paid the price."
[8:41:18 PM] <Bosun> I 2nd thaat.
[8:41:26 PM] <wodensday> All in favor?
[8:41:32 PM] <Bosun> aaye
[8:41:34 PM] <yari> Aye
[8:41:44 PM] <pmchi> Aye
[8:41:44 PM] <wodensday> Pmchi?
[8:41:48 PM] <wodensday> Whoops
[8:41:59 PM] <wodensday> I will get right to inserting that. What else?
[8:42:07 PM] <pmchi> although I do agree with Yari and think we should at least make note of Biden’s shift in tone towards the PRC
[8:42:31 PM] <pmchi> “As narratives begin to shift elsewhere in the East” or something
[8:42:36 PM] <Bosun> I think over all it is good.
[8:43:22 PM] <yari> Can we get a general editorial pass?
[8:43:30 PM] <yari> Grammar, etc?
[8:44:12 PM] <Bosun> Let them wack at it, they will bloody themselves just like all others.
[8:44:58 PM] <wodensday> I'll look over it closely here, I would encourage everyone else to do the same. The more editorial pass-throughs the better.
[8:46:53 PM] <yari> will do.
[8:50:01 PM] <Bosun> China wants lithium and a standard gauge rail route to Europe. Biden has an old school fears of China having influence in Afghanistan and Iran. 
[8:50:56 PM] <wodensday> I have a few more non-grammar suggestions from my close reading.
[8:52:35 PM] <yari> Motion adjourn
[8:53:00 PM] <wodensday> Motion on the table.
[8:53:24 PM] <yari> I feel like once its edited, we can just have it published?
[8:53:35 PM] <wodensday> We can work on this more amongst ourselves.
[8:53:43 PM] <yari> Im happy to rescind if that's not the case
[8:54:06 PM] <Bosun> 2nd
[8:55:17 PM] <wodensday> All in favor of adjourning?
[8:56:09 PM] <Bosun> aye
[8:56:22 PM] <wodensday> Yari, Pmchi
[8:56:25 PM] <yari> Aye
[8:56:43 PM] <pmchi> Aye
[8:57:10 PM] <wodensday> Meeting adjourned at 9:57 eastern time.
[8:57:36 PM] <wodensday> Alright, I will post our discussion and then hop on to Jitsi for our pirate chat.