Outreach 08/03/2021

Attendees

• Anthony Jay, IN
• Joseph Klein USPP vice chair
• Rose Klein, CA, uspp chair
• William Dappen, California

Agenda

Old Business

• Website: writer recruitment and editorial process

Transcript

[8:02:36 PM] <wodensday> Alright, I believe it's a good time to start.
[8:02:53 PM] <wodensday> I call this meeting to order at 9:02 PM eastern daylight time.
[8:02:57 PM] <wodensday> IDs?
[8:03:06 PM] <wodensday> Anthony Jay, IN
[8:03:26 PM] <Bosun> Joseph Klein USPP vice chair
[8:03:59 PM] <yari> Rose Klein, CA, uspp chair
[8:04:01 PM] <Radiojoe> William Dappen, California
[8:04:14 PM] <wodensday> https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=Outreach_08/03/2021
[8:04:15 PM] <papegaai`> Title: Outreach 08/03/2021 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
[8:06:07 PM] <wodensday> Old business: When we last left off, pmchi and radiojoe were working on a proposal pertaining to this. I will also post last week's notes for reference 
[8:06:12 PM] <wodensday> https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=Outreach_07/27/2021
[8:06:14 PM] <papegaai`> Title: Outreach 07/27/2021 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
[8:06:52 PM] <wodensday> Sorry - "this" being the organizational structure of blog content
[8:07:10 PM] <Radiojoe> I have been going through writing theformal proposal, may I send it in in a moment?
[8:07:32 PM] <wodensday> Of course. You may send it now, if you'd like
[8:12:33 PM] <Radiojoe> ok
[8:12:34 PM] <Radiojoe> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/9ddb6f3ae0a96a2123da8bb159681ffc/pasted.txt
[8:13:03 PM] <wodensday> I'll post it here for ease of access:
[8:13:39 PM] <wodensday> "The outreach committee proposes a multileveled system of editing articles submitted to the USPP website (https://uspirates.org/) in which articles are edited by users given the role “Editors” in the public discord servers, which will be given to users who ask for the role and agree to follow a set of rules and guidelines based around maintaining the original idea of the article. After the article has been edited by a number of editors, it will be brought to a moderator and the writer (who shall not be anonymous) to confirm the submission. Upon confirmation the article will be released."
[8:13:41 PM] <papegaai`> Title: United States Pirate Party – No safe harbor for the enemies of liberty (at uspirates.org)
[8:14:11 PM] <Radiojoe> it's pretty basic, I was not sure how complex the proposal should be, this should most likely be treated as a first draft
[8:14:53 PM] <wodensday> I would suggest you elaborate on the three-person system, as it may not be clear to those who could not attend the last meeting.
[8:15:53 PM] <Radiojoe> ok, noted
[8:17:22 PM] <Radiojoe> I am correct in believing by 3 person, you mean 1. the writer, 2. the editor(s), and 3. the moderators, right?
[8:17:27 PM] <wodensday> yes
[8:18:29 PM] <wodensday> To my understanding, you and pmchi suggested writers work with editors who then submit to "moderators" (site admins) who can approve or deny the editor's submission. Correct?
[8:20:12 PM] <Radiojoe> hmm, I don't believe so, the last proposal by pmchi goes as follows:
[8:20:26 PM] <Radiojoe> I would like to formally propose an open submission feature for articles on USPirates.org that is available for anyone wishing to submit an article. Upon submission, those assigned an “Editor” role on Discord, who will be assigned their roles following a process of request and approval by moderators, will be pinged, and notified of an article
[8:20:27 PM] <Radiojoe> needing approval. Should the article be approved by the “Editor”, a final email will be 
[8:21:25 PM] <Radiojoe> unless I am wrong, which I very well could be, I believed the article was submitted by the writer, then processed by the editor, then confirmed by the moderator/writer
[8:22:56 PM] <yari> It seemed like the editors and the writers were essentially drawing from the same pool though
[8:23:18 PM] <yari> to your point, they are different roles
[8:23:20 PM] <wodensday> I believe we're on the same page. A writer writes, an editor can work with them to suggest changes, and then a site admin either approves or sends them back to the drawing board
[8:23:50 PM] <wodensday> The writers and editors are the same pool,  yes. Not that that takes away from the system, but it is an important note.
[8:24:57 PM] <Radiojoe> ok, I will revise that section of the proposal
[8:25:13 PM] <Bosun> I suggest that people will sort them out as the organization expands. Some like to write, some edit.
[8:25:57 PM] <wodensday> I see that naturally happening 
[8:27:33 PM] <Radiojoe> So are we saying that only those with a role can submit articles, or is it laid out where a writer can edit their own work, and editors can edit any work?
[8:27:53 PM] <Radiojoe> just to make sure I am understanding correctly
[8:28:53 PM] <yari> I think its the former, and then since there is a role it can be pinged, so writers can simply upload and then editors get a ping
[8:29:19 PM] <wodensday> Personally, I took it to mean that writers absolutely need the help of an editor or else it's bad form.
[8:29:28 PM] <wodensday> At least one other set of eyes
[8:29:30 PM] <Bosun> These type of permissions are available in most content management systems.
[8:29:32 PM] <yari> only worry then would be making sure we have enough editors for the workload
[8:30:20 PM] <Bosun> One editor can service many writers, look at any newspaper.
[8:31:27 PM] <wodensday> Correct. Editing is an intensive job, but they do not have to spend near as much time with a single piece compared to a writer
[8:31:46 PM] <Radiojoe> okay, yari, can you define what you are saying a bit more? You said it was the former but what you said after suggested the latter as far as I can understand
[8:32:32 PM] <Radiojoe> wodensday I agree completely on there being at least two sets of eyes per article
[8:34:36 PM] <yari> Only editors can submit articles to mods, but writers can send articles to the discord
[8:36:10 PM] <Radiojoe> ok many thanks, if that is the case then writers would need access to #announcements, or it would need to be distributed elsewhere
[8:37:42 PM] <wodensday> Might I suggest you all consider a dedicated space in the discord for this sort of thing?
[8:39:12 PM] <yari> i can make all that happen
[8:39:49 PM] <Radiojoe> Ok, I am finishing up another draft for the proposal, will send it in text-form in a minute
[8:40:21 PM] <Radiojoe> any other business while I finish?
[8:41:30 PM] <wodensday> Not to bloat the discord, but it may service outreach to have its own category, some easy to access digital writer's room. That is, if we want to prepare something that can easily scale to service more than 3-5 people at a time.
[8:42:05 PM] <yari> wodensday this will not bloat the discord, i can make it happpen, no worries
[8:43:28 PM] <wodensday> Excellent, thank you so much. 
[8:46:09 PM] <yari> so... could I know a bit more of what I am being asked to do?
[8:46:10 PM] <Radiojoe> I added a few extra logistics parts, can we discuss those real quick before I send another draft?
[8:46:25 PM] <yari> So far it all sounds entirely doable
[8:46:39 PM] <Radiojoe> In terms of the discord? 
[8:46:52 PM] <Radiojoe> i mean the addition of a discord channel
[8:47:48 PM] <wodensday> To yari - I would suggest a channel exclusively for new drafts to be posted and another channel where we can discuss those drafts
[8:48:00 PM] <wodensday> Pair people up with editors, make comments, etc
[8:48:48 PM] <yari> I offer: Add drafts and discussion channel, add an editor role, & create automatic ping of editor when draft goes up.
[8:49:34 PM] <yari> I can do the first two within the day. Third by the end of the week.
[8:49:47 PM] <wodensday> Sorry, I didn't know we were talking about the whole thing. That sounds like everything we can possibly need
[8:50:55 PM] <Radiojoe> I have to go soon, I am just going to send in the revised draft, a few minor parts have been added, please discuss amongst yourselves
[8:51:07 PM] <Radiojoe> The outreach committee proposes a multileveled system of editing articles submitted to the USPP website (https://uspirates.org/). In this system, three parties shall participate, 1. the writer, 2. the editor(s), and 3. the moderators. 
[8:51:07 PM] <Radiojoe> Articles are first submitted by the writer via a dedicated section on the USPP website. The writer does not need any roles or qualifications to submit a work. The work is then announced in a channel dedicated to the writers and editors as an article “to be edited”. 
[8:51:08 PM] <Radiojoe> It is then edited by users who have been given the role “Editors” in the public discord servers, which will be given to users who ask an admin for the role and agree to follow a set of rules and guidelines based around maintaining the original idea of the article. The writer shall be able to edit alongside the editors during this process, but
[8:51:08 PM] <papegaai`> Title: United States Pirate Party – No safe harbor for the enemies of liberty (at uspirates.org)
[8:51:08 PM] <Radiojoe> shall not be the final person to edit the article prior to the next step.
[8:51:09 PM] <Radiojoe>  After the article has been edited by at least one editor, it will be brought by the editor to a moderator and the original writer (who shall not be anonymous) to confirm the submission. Upon confirmation the article will be released. If the article is denied, it shall be brought back to the editors to confirm or deny it’s re-edit, If the article
[8:51:09 PM] <Radiojoe> is denied the article will be dropped, if it is accepted it will begin at the 2nd step of the process once again. After the article is denied three times by a moderator or the writer, a irc meeting will be set up to discuss the article, including but not limited: to the moderators and writer involved, and any main editors of the article.
[8:54:25 PM] <yari> I'm liking the direction of this
[8:54:49 PM] <wodensday> It has the spirit we were going for, in my opinion
[8:55:03 PM] <wodensday> A bit of checks-and-balances too, which is welcome
[8:55:26 PM] <yari> Apart from a few minor edits for clarity, perhaps.
[8:57:56 PM] <wodensday> (Do note the time.)
[8:59:22 PM] <Bosun> Very productive. I need to go.
[8:59:52 PM] ← Bosun has left (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
[8:59:55 PM] <wodensday> Noted. Thank you for coming by!
[9:02:42 PM] <wodensday> I would suggest we adjourn, unless there is a suggestion to extend.
[9:03:16 PM] <Radiojoe> I just got back, and before we close, maybe it would be good to hand the proposal to someone else to edit the 2nd time before we send it to the PNC, put our money where our mouth is, you know?
[9:03:53 PM] <wodensday> Oh, we don't need to send this to the PNC. This is a rule for us to follow as a committee.
[9:04:00 PM] <Radiojoe> ah
[9:04:36 PM] <Radiojoe> okay then, what our our next steps in that case?
[9:05:24 PM] <wodensday> We can either discuss or someone can motion to vote.
[9:07:46 PM] <wodensday> Though, due to the time, I would suggest a motion to adjourn.
[9:08:04 PM] <Radiojoe> I agree
[9:08:26 PM] <wodensday> Is this a motion? 
[9:08:33 PM] ← Radiojoe has left (Quit: Connection closed)
[9:09:46 PM] <wodensday> Haha, this is certainly a little confusing at first. 
[9:11:41 PM] <wodensday> Yari - are you present to make any comments, or should we wrap this one up?
[9:13:54 PM] <wodensday> I will take this as a sign that the meeting is complete.