PNC 01/10/21

Agenda

Reports

IT

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Attending

• Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice chair WI
• Bosun: Joseph Klein USPP Chair
• jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts, USPP Secretary

Non-Voting

• Olivia_: Olivia Kristiann, volunteer
• Poet: Silas Tippens, Web Master (who wishes to step down)

Minutes

Record of the meeting

 


[9:01pm] Bosun: Please ID.
[9:01pm] Olivia_: Olivia Kristiann, volunteer
[9:02pm] Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice chair WI
[9:02pm] Bosun: Joseph Klein USPP Chair
[9:02pm] Poet: Silas Tippens, Web Master (who wishes to step down)
[9:02pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts, USPP Secretary
[9:03pm] Olivia_: Yari isn't here or Mitch but I see his addy on the side though.
[9:03pm] Bosun: I pingd Yari
[9:04pm] yari joined the chat room.
[9:04pm] yari: Hey folks
[9:04pm] yari: Sorry I'm late
[9:04pm] Sayyida: and they have arrived!
[9:04pm] Olivia_: I'll dm Mitch.
[9:04pm] yari: Rose Klein, California
[9:04pm] Bosun: ID please yari
[9:04pm] Sayyida:  yay ahoy yari !
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Ahoy all, BTW
[9:05pm] Olivia_: ^^ Hey!
[9:06pm] Sayyida: Bosun has stepped away to assist the baby pirate in the room of sleeping, which is currently lacking in
[9:06pm] Sayyida: yari, can you give an update on the outreach committee
[9:07pm] yari: Not much to update on, we're working slowly this week and next on the proposed changes to the bylaws
[9:08pm] Bosun: How about IT?
[9:09pm] Bosun: Are we having problems with the wiki?
[9:09pm] jokeefe: IT: Moved wiki over wiki.uspirates.org. Looking good so far.  Old one should be locked. Will redirect it
[9:09pm] Bosun: Oh
[9:09pm] jokeefe: We were, yes.
[9:10pm] Bosun: so I edited the wrong one?
[9:10pm] jokeefe: Guessing php version got updated on us. New one is current
[9:10pm] Bosun: OK - stuff happens.
[9:10pm] jokeefe: wiki.pirate-party.us should be locked for editing
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Moving to new theme next.
[9:11pm] jokeefe: for the blog
[9:13pm] Olivia_: IT related, Poet is stepping down as webmaster?
[9:13pm] jokeefe: I created https://etherpad.pp-international.net/p/USPPInsurrectionStatement should we want to edit a statement
[9:13pm] papegaai: Title: Etherpad (at etherpad.pp-international.net)
[9:13pm] Bosun: I wanted to discuss a statement from us regarding the coup.
[9:16pm] Poet: Yes Olivia_. I've lost all of my devices and wouldn't be able to perform my duties for a while
[9:16pm] Sayyida: ok?
[9:16pm] Sayyida: what do you want to say Bosun?
[9:16pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:17pm] Joe: sry for late
[9:17pm] yari: we should definitely say something, Is there anything we can say that hasn't already been said? Or is it more important to use our platform to raise other voices that are speaking up about this?
[9:17pm] jokeefe: I will miss Poet’s assistance and hope things get better for you, Poet
[9:17pm] Bosun: How about: The United States Pirate Party believes the President must be held accountable for the events on the 6th of January.
[9:17pm] Sayyida: well yea
[9:18pm] Sayyida: and we should say something about not letting go.
[9:18pm] Sayyida: we need to find all the people involved and root them out
[9:18pm] Sayyida: that was way too well orchestrated for it to of been anything but planned in advance
[9:19pm] Olivia_: The investigators who helped find which FSB had poisoned Navalny are on the case to  find who murdered the cop and ID the people there.
[9:19pm] Sayyida: I have been watching my neighbors rat each other out online.
[9:20pm] Sayyida: its refreshing, but I want to say we need to remove this virus from our system.
[9:20pm] Olivia_: They're Trumpists??
[9:20pm] Sayyida: its beyond my understanding how no one saw Wednesday coming
[9:21pm] Poet: jokeefe That pad is currently empty, correct? Should we fill out our thoughts there as we go throughout this week?
[9:21pm] Bosun: While we have been a voice against censorship, we find it ironic that the people who enabled social media consolidations now only object when they point of view is censored.
[9:21pm] jokeefe: yes, Poet
[9:21pm] jokeefe: It is a shared doc
[9:22pm] Sayyida: I am not happy that 3 corps hold most of the internet
[9:22pm] Sayyida: they should not have that much power
[9:22pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:22pm] Bosun: The real issue with Facebook and Twitter is the concentration of 'social' powwr into the hands of a few corporations.
[9:22pm] Poet: And that their moneymakers are black box algorithms
[9:22pm] Sayyida: but i do find it funny that the people that gave them all that power and fought for the ability to say "their site their rules" are now angry that its being used against them
[9:23pm] Sayyida: its not like we've been saying that could happen and will happen or anything
[9:23pm] jokeefe: all the data Fusion Centers scrape and use to spy BLM activists and they couldn’t see what was going to happen Wednesday
[9:23pm] Olivia_: Amazon pulled their hosting for Parler, while Google and Apple pulled the app from its store.
[9:23pm] Sayyida: and parler is pretty much dead
[9:24pm] jokeefe: https://pluralistic.net/2021/01/09/the-old-crow-is-getting-slow/#deplatforming
[9:24pm] papegaai: Title: Pluralistic: 09 Jan 2021 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow (at pluralistic.net)
[9:24pm] Olivia_: Parler is now gone unless they find hosting.  Many went to Gab after thousands were purged from Twitter.  Trump while the country is birning is working on a new social media platform after he helped murder someone in this coup attempt.
[9:24pm] Bosun: Ironically, corporations exploit social bubbles for profit, feeding the mob mentality that has lead to insurrection.
[9:24pm] Sayyida: Makes me happy it removed an echo chamber of hatred off the internet, but i don't like that all it took was 3 companies saying "nah"
[9:24pm] Poet: And Gab is computationally impossible to use, as a one party mastodon instance
[9:25pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[9:25pm] jokeefe: how so Poet?
[9:26pm] Olivia_: Twitter finally started the purge with Trump first after it was made known a second armed coup will happen the 17th.
[9:26pm] Bosun: We will circulate a draft statement on the list.
[9:26pm] Sayyida: ok.
[9:27pm] Joe joined the chat room.
[9:27pm] Poet: jokeefe with the amount of traffic it receives, its ping is multiple seconds
[9:27pm] Sayyida: holy goats Poet that's slow
[9:27pm] Bosun: Are we for impeachment, removal, and/or prosecution after leaving office?
[9:27pm] jokeefe: Sounds like they don’t have enough hardware for the traffic they get
[9:28pm] Olivia_: My personal opinion I've been screaming about this ever since he was banned is that actions have consequences.  Him being perm suspended.  This isn't a "free speech" issue and many lawyers are saying it too.
[9:28pm] yari: Bosun yes on my part for all
[9:28pm] Olivia_: And twitter being a private company too (of wealthy Republicans).
[9:29pm] Joe: Aye Bosun
[9:29pm] Olivia_:  prosecution after leaving office.  SDNY are already ready.  He no longer has presidential immunity.
[9:30pm] Bosun: How many followers did trump have? You can't build a platform to service 88 million followers unless you can drop traffic in multiple exchanges.
[9:30pm] Olivia_: Roger Stone was involved in the planning and it means no pardon he goes back to prison!!!
[9:31pm] Olivia_: More than half of his followers were paid accounts.
[9:32pm] Olivia_: Google cache might still have his follower count.
[9:32pm] jokeefe: RE: inpeachment - His PAC paid for the rally which encouraged people to attend. Then he urged them to take action to stop Congress from counting the EC votes. He fomented an insurrection against Congress
[9:33pm] Bosun: https://www.socialbakers.com/statistics/twitter/profiles/detail/25073877-realdonaldtrump
[9:33pm] papegaai: Title: Donald J. Trump Statistics on Twitter followers | Socialbakers (at www.socialbakers.com)
[9:33pm] Bosun: We support impeachment.
[9:34pm] Sayyida: YEP
[9:35pm] Poet: I think it goes further with his months of instilling disbelief in the voting process, despite his consistent failures in court to find any evidence of such voter fraud
[9:35pm] Joe:  He did actions that cost people, Americans, their life
[9:36pm] Joe: Impeach the orange
[9:36pm] Bosun: ... and removal by legal means, and to be barred from any future position of trust in the United States government.
[9:36pm] Olivia_: Pence won't invoke the 25th.  So I would say impeach Pence so Pelosi is VP so she involved the 25th??
[9:36pm] Sayyida: yeet the orange
[9:37pm] Sayyida: Pence is a coward. I know the type. He'll mask to save his hide but lose his soul in the process
[9:37pm] Sayyida: I think impeachment is the only viable option
[9:37pm] Bosun: I will circulate a draft statement Monday - Hopefully to come out when they vote the article(s) of impeachment.
[9:38pm] Olivia_: I've heard he's far worse than Trump but hides it better.  Manafort insisted Pence be picked while Trump wanted Chris Christie.  Manafort was Kremlin-owned and paid very well for many years.
[9:38pm] jokeefe: Sounds good to me
[9:38pm] jokeefe: RE: draft statement
[9:39pm] Bosun: Chris Christie called for impeachment this morning.
[9:39pm] Olivia_: Billionaire Russians cut off Manafort when he stole from them.  One also sued him like 2 years ago.
[9:40pm] Bosun: So if he was VP - Trump would be 25thed.
[9:40pm] Bosun: We are way over time.
[9:40pm] Olivia_: Paul Manafort sued by Oleg Deripaska
[9:40pm] Olivia_: https://www.jurist.org/news/2018/01/russia-oligarch-deripaska-sues-paul-manafort-in-new-york-court/
[9:40pm] papegaai: Title: Russia oligarch Deripaska sues Paul Manafort in New York court - JURIST - News - Legal News & Commentary (at www.jurist.org)
[9:41pm] Bosun: Lets end the formal meeting and people can chat if the choose after.
[9:41pm] jokeefe: Sounds good