PNC 01/18/17

::PNC Meeting Agenda::

--- 01/08/2017 21:00h EDT ---

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Room: #pnc

Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_(blank)

Proposed agenda item, discussion of this, http://petitions.signforgood.com/DeathsinCustodyReportingAct?code=BNF

Pirate Plank: Transparency

1 - ATTENDEES

1.1 - Members of the PNC

N/A/unofficial

Attending

Excused

Unexcused

Probation

1.3 - Officers of the PNC

Chairperson Joseph Klein bosun@pp-wisconsin.net

Vice Chair James O’Keefe jokeefe@jamesokeefe.org

Secretary Lucia Fiero sutralu@gmail.com

2 - PROCEEDINGS

• Meeting called to order at: __:___pm EDT
• Meeting chaired by _________
• Secretary for this meeting is _________
• Quorum is established: ___ out of 8 Members present
• Logging Enabled: Yes

3 - Review of previous minutes

http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_(blank-1)

5 - Agenda Items

<Put Agenda here before sending out>

- AOB -

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• Next meeting: ______ at _:__PM EDT
• Meeting closed: ____________

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Logs of the Meeting

Apologies for the wonky formatting. Unofficial meeting anyway. Please return next week, same bat time, same bat channel...


jokeefe
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fake news filters?
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02:41am
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G
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RT's page can't post to facebook right now
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02:41am
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Bluestreak
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That's like labelling BBC fake news!
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02:41am
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G
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not sure. FB is working on it, but looks like they might be down til after the inauguration
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02:41am
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G
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lol
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02:41am
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jokeefe
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block VOA?
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02:41am
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G
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BBC is fake news
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02:41am
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G
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it's british propaganda paid for by the state
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02:41am
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G
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02:42am
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G
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(like RT by Russia)
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02:42am
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Bluestreak
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What bullshit. BBC is "state controlled media" too
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02:42am
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02:42am
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Bluestreak
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Jason was desperately trying to tell me this, and I was all SHHHH! I need tech support!!
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02:43am
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Bluestreak
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So Buzzed posting unsupported reports even they think are false, that is OK with FB?
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02:43am
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G
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FB is slanted, you know this
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02:43am
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G
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02:44am
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Bluestreak
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Twitter has a "liberal bias" too.
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02:44am
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jokeefe
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didn’t hurt trump
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02:44am
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G
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the over the top liberal bias across all platforms helped him yuuuuuuge
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02:46am
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Bluestreak
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So what do we want to do about it?
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02:46am
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G
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do about what? FB?
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02:47am
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G
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unless we ready to abandon FB and move to another network... an inferior and lonely network... we're kinda boned
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02:47am
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Bluestreak
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What do we want to do about anything? Do we want to help get sigs for this? http://petitions.signforgood.com/DeathsinCustodyReportingAct?code=BNF
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02:47am
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papegaai
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Title: Sign to tell Dept. of Justice: Law enforcement agencies must report all deaths of people in custody (at petitions.signforgood.com)
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02:47am
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Bluestreak
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Thanks to Jamie and Steve MPP has an excellent blog.
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02:47am
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Bluestreak
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And Jamie has been working the USPP blog.
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02:48am
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G
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they don't already report deaths in custody?
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02:50am
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Bluestreak
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This is something Muckrock was working on wasn't it @jokeefe?
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02:51am
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Zarathustra joined the chat room.
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02:51am
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Bluestreak
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Ahoy!
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02:51am
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Zarathustra
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Hi there
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02:52am
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K`Tetch_
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https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=19 - death in custody reporting program
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02:52am
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jokeefe
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don’t think muckrock was gathering those stats, but there is a group.
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02:52am
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jokeefe
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that is
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02:52am
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jokeefe
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also, DOJ updated their stats, IIRC, that were more accurate
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02:53am
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G
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so if i understand the feds are failing to push on the agencies and prosecute them under the two existing laws?
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02:54am
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jokeefe
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blockade their offices
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02:56am
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Bluestreak
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With a bullhorn
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02:57am
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Bluestreak
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So there is reporting but it is not enforced.
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02:57am
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Bluestreak
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Without enforcement, there is no regulation
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02:57am
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G
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eh... domestic issues i'd rather attack on the state level
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02:57am
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Bluestreak
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Why are you at national?
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02:57am
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Bluestreak
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We are talking about what to work on nationally
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02:57am
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K`Tetch_
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and online petitions are about as useless as things go
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02:58am
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G
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want me to f'n leave? lol. what kinda response was that
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02:58am
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G
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02:58am
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Bluestreak
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What do you propose we work on, Andrew?
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02:58am
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G
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nationally... whistleblowers maybe? war?
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02:58am
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Bluestreak
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Let Andrew answer, I want to know what gets him excited
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02:59am
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jokeefe
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off to bed. good night all.
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03:00am
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K`Tetch_
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hows your ethical setup at present?
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03:00am
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Bluestreak
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Goodnithgt
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03:00am
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Bluestreak
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Oh... what do you mean?
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03:00am
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jokeefe left the chat room. (Quit: jokeefe)
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03:00am
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K`Tetch_
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never mind, forgot who I was talking to
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03:01am
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Bluestreak
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What is that supposed to mean?
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03:01am
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Zarathustra
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if anyone wants to stick around i wouldnt mind picking some brains here
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03:01am
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Bluestreak
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I asked a legitimate question
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03:02am
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Bluestreak
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I don't know what you mean by "Ethical setup" so I asked.
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03:02am
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K`Tetch_
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*sigh* - ok, actual acton comes from matching party goals with public interest. and leveraging them to maximise parrty visibility. Right now, the current focus is on eithics.
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03:03am
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K`Tetch_
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so focus on and emphaisis what makes the Pirates better in the ethical sphere when it comes to fulfilling positions and offices
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03:03am
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Bluestreak
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You mean the party focus should mirror the media's focus?
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03:04am
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K`Tetch_
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focuses on evidence based policy over personal ideologies
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03:04am
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K`Tetch_
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I'm saying the party should leverage the public's focus
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03:04am
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Bluestreak
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You say potato.
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03:04am
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Bluestreak
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03:04am
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Bluestreak
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OK
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03:04am
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Bluestreak
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Getting back to your point
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03:05am
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Bluestreak
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Give us an example of Evidence based policy
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03:05am
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Bluestreak
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in your view.
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03:05am
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Bluestreak
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Still with us G?
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03:05am
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K`Tetch_
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oh dear, you're a national officer, you should be able to do that
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03:05am
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K`Tetch_
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and now, my dinner's ready
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03:05am
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K`Tetch_
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later
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03:05am
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Bluestreak
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What s shit slinger.
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03:06am
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Bluestreak
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You can step up and run again anytime Andrew!
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03:07am
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G
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yes i am here
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03:07am
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Bluestreak
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See how Andrew rolls?
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03:07am
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G
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excuse me?
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03:08am
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Bluestreak
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Never says anything at meetings except: Everything you twats are doing is WRONG!
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03:09am
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G
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4th Amendment, 1st Amendment, War. those are national issues.  are we to rely on media cycles? that's nonsense
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03:09am
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G
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the media doesn't want real issues brought to bear
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03:09am
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G
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but it's the same thing i always says.  *settles back down*
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03:09am
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Bluestreak
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I totally agree. But Andrew "can't hear you" he's off to supper now
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03:10am
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G
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that's prob your fault
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03:10am
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G
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i checked
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03:10am
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G
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03:10am
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Bluestreak
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Not helping.
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03:10am
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G
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i'm here. i'm like... engaged and interacting
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03:10am
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roarde
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nudge: want to discuss "who", or do you think what and/or why might be not as bad?
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03:11am
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Bluestreak
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You all just don't like me being direct in my communications because I am female.
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03:11am
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G
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don't start pulling identity cards man
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03:11am
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Bluestreak
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But if I am indirect I am viewed as "snarky" or un serious. Can't win.
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03:11am
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Bluestreak
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lol
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03:12am
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Bluestreak
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Well, it is just you and me now, informally. So I say
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03:12am
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G
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who the hell are all thees names on the side?
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03:12am
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Bluestreak
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Let's support the enforcement of reporting
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03:12am
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Bluestreak
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LOL
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03:12am
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Bluestreak
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Good question. They are always there.
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03:12am
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Bluestreak
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CIA? FBI?
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03:13am
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Bluestreak
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Other Pirates?
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03:13am
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Bluestreak
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Who knows?
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03:13am
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G
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ok great. supported. i don't see how it fits a "pirate" platform necessarily
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03:13am
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Zarathustra
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I'm from California
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03:13am
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Zarathustra
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We're trying to reboot the party there
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03:13am
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Bluestreak
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I recognize many of the handles
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03:13am
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Bluestreak
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Oh hey!
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03:13am
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G
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hi California!
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03:13am
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Zarathustra
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I'm acting as an ambassador to you folks
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03:13am
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Bluestreak
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What do you want to talk about?
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03:13am
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G
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we're both Massholes. welcome!
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03:14am
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Zarathustra
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Nice
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03:14am
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Bluestreak
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Well, if you get the party set up and recognized you can attend in official capacity, too
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03:14am
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G
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aye that's why we need a good flagship cause to unite people behind
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03:14am
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Zarathustra
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Thats the plan!
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03:14am
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G
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so we can uplift state and local parties
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03:15am
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Bluestreak
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So to answer your question, G, the other names in this chat are other Pirates who never log off (for some reason that I do not know)
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03:15am
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roarde
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what's the goal?
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03:15am
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Zarathustra
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How large are each states? In terms of active participants?
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03:15am
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Bluestreak
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Not the national level right now: Get parties established in all 50 states
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03:15am
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Bluestreak
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support the parties that already exist.
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03:16am
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Bluestreak
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Craft a national platform. (it needs to be reviewed regularly and tweaked)
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03:16am
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G
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right but we need a "goal" to pull people behind
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03:16am
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Bluestreak
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Mass is pretty big.
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03:16am
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Zarathustra
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#'s wise?
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03:16am
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Zarathustra
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I mean like how many folks are active running things
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03:16am
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Bluestreak
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I want high speed internet at a fair price for everyone who can afford a machine and electricity
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03:17am
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Bluestreak
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about 20 maybe? Active active.
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03:17am
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G
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actively? we run a skeleton crew but we have membership that come in and out to "active" and inactive
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03:17am
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Bluestreak
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We have many more passive supporters
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03:17am
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G
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20ish sounds about right for our active active
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03:18am
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Zarathustra
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So I'm coming into the PP blind. Never been involved before, most of us forming things haven't
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03:18am
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Bluestreak
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While Fight for the Future is like ALL Evan Greer ALL the time.
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03:19am
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Bluestreak
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She is one person, but she seems to do most actions.
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03:19am
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Bluestreak
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So most of these organizations have very few hard core workers.
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03:20am
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Bluestreak
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In Mass I want to get involved with ranked choice voting.
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03:20am
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Zarathustra
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!
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03:20am
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Zarathustra
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Same here
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03:20am
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Bluestreak
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But a NATIONAL referendum for that?
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03:21am
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Zarathustra
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How many state PPs are actually active?
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03:21am
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Bluestreak
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5 wish?
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03:21am
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Bluestreak
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wish?
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03:21am
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Bluestreak
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spell correcter
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03:21am
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Bluestreak
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lol
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03:23am
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Zarathustra
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So I think California has a legitimate opportunity for an active party
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03:24am
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Bluestreak
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Yes, are you in touch with the San Fransisco group?
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03:24am
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G
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this whole country is ripe for a new party to fill in the center/left of center gap. what's poppin in Cali specifically? or you just mean in general?
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03:24am
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Bluestreak
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There is a SFPP right now.
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03:24am
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Zarathustra
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Given that we are only now trying to reboot things, and none of our volunteers (myself included) have experience with the party, I could use some help understanding the way things are around these parts
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03:25am
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Bluestreak
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So oppose laws that keep the people from creating their own local broadband carriers?
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03:25am
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Zarathustra
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If anyone would like to volunteer to be a 'goto' for questioning..?
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03:25am
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Bluestreak
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All across the US state gov'ts are passing anti-muni-net laws
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03:25am
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G
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oh both of us would love to help anytime
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03:25am
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Bluestreak
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because the cable/phonecompanies are lobbying them to
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03:26am
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Bluestreak
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Yes, we can help. Where in CA are you?
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03:26am
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Bluestreak
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How far from SF?
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03:26am
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Zarathustra
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We are only now beginning to seek out and unite all the fractured groups in california - the SF group will be part of that
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03:26am
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Zarathustra
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I was late here thanks to LA traffic
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03:26am
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G
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oh that's what they all say
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03:26am
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Bluestreak
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So you know Jay? Or are you Jay?
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03:26am
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G
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03:26am
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Zarathustra
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Orion (from CA ~2012) is involved
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03:27am
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Bluestreak
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Jay
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03:27am
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Zarathustra
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Not Jay, no one by that name has shown up
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03:27am
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Bluestreak
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Ponti
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03:27am
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Bluestreak
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OK well you should def be in touch with him
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03:27am
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Zarathustra
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None of these are sounding familiar, I'd love to reach out to them though
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03:27am
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Bluestreak
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remember the 3 pirate rule
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03:27am
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Bluestreak
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all you need is 3.
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03:27am
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Bluestreak
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Name yourself the LA pirates. Start a blog
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03:27am
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Bluestreak
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Wait. I have it written down.
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03:28am
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Zarathustra
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We got that going
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03:28am
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Zarathustra
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Nice Dodger logo too
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03:29am
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Bluestreak
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OK Twitter and FB account (for now)
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03:29am
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Bluestreak
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Get together with your 3 pirates and vote for a Captain, first officer, treasurer
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03:30am
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Zarathustra
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We voted officers, we'll get the website up soon with all the new info
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03:30am
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Zarathustra
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Paperwork has been filed with the state
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03:30am
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Bluestreak
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Find a local politicalish event, get a table there, recruit.
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03:30am
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Bluestreak
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Art festival
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03:30am
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Bluestreak
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hemp festival
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03:31am
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Bluestreak
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Technology festival
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03:31am
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Bluestreak
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You can lift all the flyer ideas off the Mass Pirate site
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03:31am
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Zarathustra
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Nice
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03:31am
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Bluestreak
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Make press release of what PP is, what you intend to make your pet projects, how ppl can contact you. Have a call to action about... Standing rock solidarity demo?  FB event page, flyers, call friends... Take out an ad!
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03:31am
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Zarathustra
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Actually I asked okeefe for an export of the wiki
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03:32am
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Bluestreak
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It's all free, Pirates share.
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03:32am
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Zarathustra
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We're gonna roll our own but wanted to base it off Mass's
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03:32am
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Bluestreak
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Remember the press release.
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03:32am
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Bluestreak
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As soon as we had one or two meetings, the Boston Globe came to one
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03:32am
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Bluestreak
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\
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03:32am
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G
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it's not even that we share, we don't believe in IP
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03:32am
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G
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we are intellectual... pirates
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03:32am
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Bluestreak
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Yes dear
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03:32am
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G
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03:33am
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Bluestreak
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For events, we hold our own, we hold crypto parties.
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03:33am
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Bluestreak
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Then we tweet and blog about it.
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03:33am
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Bluestreak
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You need to have someone on social media just posting
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03:33am
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Bluestreak
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relevant news a few times everyday
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03:33am
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Zarathustra
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I'm all ears for anything you guys can share. Its reassuring hearing that we're on the right track (most of these ideas we've begun working on..)
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03:33am
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Bluestreak
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GREAT!
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03:34am
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Bluestreak
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We will retweet any event photos you tweet
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03:34am
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G
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there really is no wrong track.  at this point the Pirates in the US aren't really.... formed out
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03:34am
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G
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....it's all her fault really
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03:34am
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Zarathustra
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Exactly
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03:34am
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G
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*ducks*
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03:34am
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Bluestreak
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There was a "Pirate Wheel"
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03:34am
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Bluestreak
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But Falkvinge updated it
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03:35am
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Bluestreak
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http://falkvinge.net/pirate-wheel/
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03:35am
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roarde
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the wheel's been updated? got URL?
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03:35am
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papegaai
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Title: The Pirate Wheel - Falkvinge on Liberty (at falkvinge.net)
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03:35am
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Zarathustra
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One thing I'm struggling to balance is the direct democracy aspect of things
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03:35am
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Bluestreak
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Not so much of a wheel anymore
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03:35am
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Bluestreak
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How so?
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03:35am
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Zarathustra
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Pirates ~ herding cats
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03:36am
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G
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lol
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03:36am
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G
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some cool ass cats, though. you gotta admit
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03:36am
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Bluestreak
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OH
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03:36am
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Zarathustra
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for sure
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03:36am
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Bluestreak
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Well, just keep showing up, things will work out
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03:37am
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Bluestreak
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We are still having personal issues in MA.
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03:37am
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Bluestreak
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And Andrew and I have been at odds from the start. I don't want to be.
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03:37am
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Zarathustra
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For me, I don't want to assert myself too much
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03:37am
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Zarathustra
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Because no one died and made me king
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03:37am
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Bluestreak
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Frankly if he wanted my job he could have it, but he doesn't want it
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03:37am
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Bluestreak
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You have to lead some, though
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03:38am
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Bluestreak
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People need some direction
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03:38am
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roarde
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i just need other nodes
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03:38am
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Bluestreak
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Nodes?
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03:38am
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G
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A ship without a captain dashes into the rocks.  Leaders are needed.
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03:39am
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roarde
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actors
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03:39am
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Bluestreak
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Where are you?
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03:39am
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Bluestreak
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I have to tell you there was a HUGE amount of interest in USPP back end of October, but I have been too sick to get back to people.
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03:39am
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Zarathustra
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Pomona, near LA
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03:40am
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Bluestreak
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I meant roarde
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03:40am
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roarde
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on a sailor-filled ship, toss the "captain" or even the helmsman overboard. given 3 seconds before contact, the vessel won't founder
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03:40am
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Zarathustra
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Most are in SF, the rest LA (mostly)
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03:40am
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roarde
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GA, Bluestreak
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03:40am
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Bluestreak
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We don't want people lording over one another, but on the other hand
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03:40am
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Zarathustra
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I went thru 1,000 emails dating back to 2012 for us
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03:41am
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Bluestreak
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We all saw what a need for consensus did to Occupy
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03:41am
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Zarathustra
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lost of people reaching out in CA
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03:41am
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Bluestreak
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Excellent!
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03:41am
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Zarathustra
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Exactly
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03:41am
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Zarathustra
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thats my fear
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03:41am
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Bluestreak
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So lead for now, if someone else can do a better job, step aside.
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03:41am
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G
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consensus building direct democracy is crap
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03:41am
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G
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....just saying
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03:41am
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Bluestreak
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As SOON as I got sick, I stepped down from MPP leadership, tapped another.
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03:42am
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G
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but yes. take the lead. we need leaders.
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03:42am
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roarde
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leaders are needed?
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03:42am
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G
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always
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03:42am
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Bluestreak
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Yeah, you want to lead roared?
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03:42am
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G
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that's imho
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03:42am
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Bluestreak
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roarde
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03:42am
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roarde
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i'll just watch a bit longer, then
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03:43am
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hellohel_
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let a hundred flowers bloom
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03:43am
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Bluestreak
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O  K 
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03:43am
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G
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well i mean we can wait and watch til something or someone worth following rears itself.... or.... we can create our leaders.
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03:44am
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Bluestreak
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OK here is the deal: We keep these meetings to one hour
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03:44am
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Bluestreak
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We started way late but it has been an hour
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03:44am
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Bluestreak
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I am freaking tired.
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03:44am
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G
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you started late. i've been here for 2 hours
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G
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lol
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03:44am
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G
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03:44am
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Bluestreak
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So I have to beg off
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03:44am
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G
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motioning to dismiss and stuff? do we do that here?
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03:44am
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Bluestreak
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I know I am sorry
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03:44am
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G
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(no worry kid)
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03:45am
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Bluestreak
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I should have had Colloquy installed a long time ago.
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03:45am
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Bluestreak
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It's been weeks since my hard drive failed.
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03:45am
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Zarathustra
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...I'll be idle here often, don't be a stranger. We're very excited to get things going in CA
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03:45am
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Bluestreak
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So OFFICIAL meeting is next week.
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03:45am
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Bluestreak
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All the officers will be there. We will be formal.
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03:46am
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Bluestreak
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Please come and observe even if you can't vote.
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03:46am
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G
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i'm'a ote anyways
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03:46am
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Bluestreak
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Bring your friends you hope to build your state apparatus with along.
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03:46am
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Zarathustra
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Will do
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03:46am
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Bluestreak
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I will try to send more support CA's way.
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03:47am
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Bluestreak
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My health is up and down. Seeing the oncologist tomorrow.
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03:47am
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Zarathustra
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Awesome!
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03:47am
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Bluestreak
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Best way to find me is on Facebook.
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03:47am
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Bluestreak
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Are you on SAB list?
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03:47am
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Zarathustra
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k
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03:47am
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Zarathustra
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nope
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03:47am
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G
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FascBook
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03:48am
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G
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<--- Garret Kirkland. and add our Mass Pirates Party page.
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03:48am
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Bluestreak
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Please subscribe to SAB list http://sab.uspirates.org/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi
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03:48am
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papegaai
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Title: Subscribe to a Mailing List (at sab.uspirates.org)
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03:48am
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Bluestreak
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This is for all updates about the USPP
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03:48am
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Bluestreak
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SAB stands for "State Advisory Board"
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03:49am
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Zarathustra
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See, this is the stuff I'm clueless about
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03:49am
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Zarathustra
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this is perfect
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03:49am
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Zarathustra
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thanks
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03:49am
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Bluestreak
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OK cool have all your LA peeps subscribe, too.
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03:50am
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Bluestreak
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Eventually you will elect a representative who will have national voting rights
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03:50am
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Bluestreak
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OK I need to rest now. Thanks to everyone for coming. Even Andrew!!!
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03:50am
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Bluestreak
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(I mean that!)
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03:50am
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G
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representative democracy at work
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03:50am
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G
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long live the republic!
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