PNC 11/25/19

Agenda

1. Website & Taxonomy
2. Supporting local and state chapters
3. Other platforms for our meetings and publicly sharing this content quickly

Decisions

My long term goal is to be in office as a Pirate. I do not plan to be Captain for more than a year, but will hold the post as long as it is asked of me and I know that I can be useful to it. I had chosen this party because they are not Republicans nor Democrats. Pirates are not left nor right. The goals could better be likened to that of the love child of the anarchist and constitutionalist. We do not ask for transparency, we demand it. That is why I had no objection to Liz’s demand to keep all dialog public for all to see. That is why I speak to you here and now. That is why I am a Pirate. I have long studied different systems by which we have ruled ourselves and how each one has failed in turn. The only system that has ever worked is when those that have authority are accountable and never hold that authority for long. We need to end the secret councils, we need to end the corporate wall. That is why I am a Pirate. I know that we each have some ideal that is true for each one of us. Each one of us matters in a way that is very difficult to articulate but very easy to feel. Each one of us has to recognize the importance of individual autonomy. All laws should not take away that which I choose for myself. Laws should be off my body. That is why I am a Pirate. We are the ones whom have worked pulling people together and I will be honored to continue to work to streamline, innovate and make everyplace we go a better place for all. I am proud to be a Pirate.

Minutes

Record of the meeting

 



[9:08pm] bosun: Joseph Klein, WI
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: I was waiting on one more, the rep from MA
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: IDs then?
[9:08pm] OGPAF: Johann Drolshagen, Webmaster, California
[9:08pm] Pirate_Joe: Joseph Onoroski, Chair, MA
[9:08pm] kusanagi: Liz Gorski, NY
[9:09pm] sayyida: Megan Klein WI
[9:09pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Scribe, MA
[9:09pm] jokeefe: agenda/notes at https://wiki.pirate-party.us/PNC_11/25/19
[9:09pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 11/25/19 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
[9:09pm] Pirate_Joe: The agenda for this meeting has but one item
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Which is the call of No Confidence by the honorable representative of NY
[9:10pm] Pirate_Joe: Before we proceed, I have prepared a brief speech to explain my actions and purpose.
[9:11pm] bosun: Sayyida will  be voting for WI
[9:11pm] Pirate_Joe: However I will refrain from it and move right to the vote if you prefer.
[9:12pm] sayyida: gothca bosun
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Having note read any of the emails due to being busy with personal issues, I would appreciate hearing why
[9:12pm] bosun: No that is a point of order I was just informing the chair
[9:12pm] jokeefe: s/note/not/g
[9:12pm] kusanagi: I mean, the majority of this was brought up from stuff the alleged webmaster brought up. I still have not seen any changes to the bylaws in regard to the positions, which is concerning.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: that’s my fault
[9:13pm] Pirate_Joe: I see, jokeefe, do you have access to the links?
[9:13pm] jokeefe: I haven’t added it due to technical issues
[9:14pm] kusanagi: jokeefe, it's.. pretty lengthy. I saw a number of things in a proposal by Johan that was brought up in May, and while the entire document is troubling, there are several things that stood out.
[9:14pm] jokeefe: It is in a meeting notes
[9:14pm] jokeefe: will post link
[9:14pm] kusanagi: Okay, that's a major problem right there.
[9:14pm] kusanagi: But I'll go for it later - if there's tech issues, that's something we need to work out.
[9:15pm] jokeefe: https://wiki.pirate-party.us/PNC_09/09/19
[9:15pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 09/09/19 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
[9:15pm] kusanagi: Ther document that was at email #0 of the thread that I wound up called for VoNC in has a shift of Pirate Policy to being "left-centrist." We have NEVER been that.
[9:16pm] saline_retry joined the chat room.
[9:16pm] sayyida: kusanagi:  you're right. we've never been there
[9:17pm] sayyida: Pirate_Joe: has spoken to me and explained his view and I think we should hear it
[9:17pm] Pirate_Joe: The left centrists is my failed explanation that I was using.  I understand that it was not conveying the intended message and am happy to make the needed corrections.
[9:17pm] kusanagi: Then let's hear it.
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: This has been a long and challenging week but I hope to address some concerns brought forth. There has been much stated but I would like to touch upon my motivations for why I am here.
[9:18pm] kusanagi: Because I am SORELY concerned and I don't think that the current state of things is acceptable.
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: My long term goal is to be in office as a Pirate. I do not plan to be Captain for more than a year, but will hold the post as long as it is asked of me and I know that I can be useful to it.  I had chosen this party because they are not Republicans nor Democrats.  Pirates are not left nor right.  The goals could better be likened to that of the lov
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: e child of the anarchist and constitutionalist.  We do not ask for transparency, we demand it.  That is why I had no objection to Liz’s demand to keep all dialog public for all to see.  That is why I speak to you here and now. That is why I am a Pirate.
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: I have long studied different systems by which we have ruled ourselves and how each one has failed in turn.  The only system that has ever worked is when those that have authority are accountable and never hold that authority for long.  We need to end the secret councils, we need to end the corporate wall.  That is why I am a Pirate. 
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: I know that we each have some ideal that is true for each one of us. Each one of us matters in a way that is very difficult to articulate but very easy to feel.  Each one of us has to recognize the importance of individual autonomy.  All laws should not take away that which I choose for myself.  Laws should be off my body.  That is why I am a Pirat
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: e.
[9:18pm] Pirate_Joe: We are the ones whom have worked pulling people together and I will be honored to continue to work to streamline, innovate and make everyplace we go a better place for all. I am proud to be a Pirate.
[9:18pm] kusanagi: give everyone a minute to read the copy-paste
[9:19pm] • Pirate_Joe thanks kusanagi for the guidance.
[9:19pm] OGPAF: Arrrrrgh
[9:19pm] kusanagi: I'm sorry, anarchist and.. constitutionalist?
[9:20pm] kusanagi: Point of order, can non-statements be withheld for later, like "Arrrgh"?
[9:21pm] jokeefe: I posted Pirate_Joe’s statement at https://wiki.pirate-party.us/PNC_11/25/19#Decisions
[9:21pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 11/25/19 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
[9:21pm] Pirate_Joe: Even that being said, I am happy to move on with the VoNC
[9:21pm] kusanagi: Thank you jokeefe
[9:21pm] jokeefe: temporarily
[9:21pm] jokeefe: at least at that location in the page
[9:21pm] sayyida: cool thank yo
[9:21pm] sayyida: you*
[9:22pm] kusanagi: I don't think that statement is clarifying at all, Pirate_38633
[9:22pm] kusanagi: Pirate_Joe, ^^
[9:22pm] sayyida: I say continue the VoNC
[9:22pm] bosun: Every system fails eventually fails because of unchecked power breaking it.
[9:22pm] Pirate_Joe: At least I hope that you have understanding of my motivations, since I see our issues as those that transcend. Neither left nor right.  This is the only point I have disagreed with you on.  All other points we are in total agreement.
[9:23pm] Pirate_Joe: So lets proceed with the VoNC
[9:23pm] kusanagi: It's a statement that says nothing. I'm not satisfied.
[9:23pm] jokeefe: I would be more clear if we did not use acronyms
[9:24pm] kusanagi: I think it's best to proceed with the Vote of No COnfidence.
[9:24pm] jokeefe: objection: what is the justification for the vote of no confidence? not trying to be obtuse, but want it clearly defined
[9:24pm] bosun: Left and right are a false framework, who's left, who's right?
[9:24pm] Pirate_Joe: Please clarify what you are looking to understand kusanagi? I agree with you that left centrist is a poor choice of words.
[9:25pm] Pirate_Joe: Very well, anyone second the motion?
[9:25pm] sayyida: second
[9:25pm] Pirate_Joe: All in favor?
[9:25pm] OGPAF: Objection
[9:25pm] sayyida: aye
[9:25pm] OGPAF: as previously stated
[9:25pm] bosun: point of order
[9:25pm] Pirate_Joe: ^
[9:25pm] sayyida: you have no voice here OGPAF
[9:25pm] kusanagi: jokeefe, the document I mentioned earlier emailed over SAB by Johan lists a number of things that just don't sit right with me, including but not limited to information about how to make money from the party
[9:25pm] OGPAF: really?
[9:25pm] bosun: OGPAF is not a qualified vote
[9:26pm] kusanagi: Johan's behavior is the main catalyst though
[9:26pm] sayyida: EXACTLY
[9:26pm] OGPAF: there is not a single member state in good standing
[9:26pm] jokeefe: OGPAF is trying to help build the party.
[9:26pm] sayyida: CA hasn't recognized him
[9:26pm] bosun: Corporate donations are illegal.
[9:26pm] sayyida: CA doesn't exist
[9:26pm] sayyida: HE HAS NO VOICE
[9:26pm] jokeefe: if more guidance is required then that is what we should do
[9:27pm] OGPAF: as I have requested multiple times
[9:27pm] Pirate_Joe: Order please, we were in the middle of a vote.
[9:27pm] kusanagi: last time i checked, I was explaining the information to jokeefe
[9:27pm] OGPAF: no tuntil the objections are dealt with
[9:27pm] sayyida: thank you Pirate_Joe
[9:27pm] OGPAF: PoO
[9:28pm] kusanagi: Pirate_Joe, can you remove the motion from the floor for a moment.
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: kusanagi, as rep of NY, what is your vote
[9:28pm] OGPAF: Point of Order
[9:28pm] sayyida: OGPAF:  you do not have a vote, your objection is null
[9:28pm] kusanagi: Remove the motionm.
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: Motion tabled
[9:28pm] kusanagi: I'm in the middle of trying to explain things.
[9:28pm] OGPAF: sorry megan - your scribe and captain have said the board position stands
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: kusanagi, you have to floor
[9:28pm] Pirate_Joe: *the
[9:29pm] kusanagi: Thank you