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**The PNC should decide when the agenda of each meeting must be set by. Currently, there is no minimum in the bylaws.
 
**The PNC should decide when the agenda of each meeting must be set by. Currently, there is no minimum in the bylaws.
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***should this include an email out to the PNC & SAB?
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**I need to speak with Jamie about getting proper onboarding for the wiki, mayfirst, IRC, etc.
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**Everyone should now be aware of their forwarding emails that are set up and are on uspirates.org/about
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**Please talk to me about any platforms you need access to that you do not have access to.
  
 
=== Discussion ===
 
=== Discussion ===
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== Attending ==
 
== Attending ==
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*yari - Rose Klein, Secretary, CA
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*Wodensday - Anthony Jay, PNC Chair
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*pmchi - Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
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*Ethan - Ethan Osborne Captain Kentucky
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*DreadPirateDrew - Drew Bingaman, Captain PA
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*Jester - Maya Melody, INPP
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*Mariah-Lynne - Mariah-Lynne, Kentucky Pirate Party
  
 
=== Probationary States ===
 
=== Probationary States ===
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=== Non-Voting ===
 
=== Non-Voting ===
  
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*brianna - Brianna Coyle, Ohio
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*NomadOfNorad - David Hall, Florida
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*DocGeoJersey - Nick Archer, NJ
  
 
== Summary ==
 
== Summary ==
  
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Meeting called to order at pm EST.
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Meeting called to order at 9:04pm EST.
  
 
=== Reports ===
 
=== Reports ===
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*Platform: Platform we went over USPirates FAQ section. There were solid suggestions but I’d like to spend one more week to formally organize appropriate changes. I shall seek PNC approval before making any changes
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*Outreach - the committee is trying to brainstorm an in-person event that can be duplicated in multiple states and locations. The idea is to both raise awareness of the party but also give our activists something to do. I look forward to reporting more.
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** Discussion of tabling at Pride events
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*Secretary:
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**I ask that the PNC decide when the agenda of each meeting must be set by. Currently, there is no minimum in the bylaws. Should such a deadline include an email being sent out to the PNC and the SAB email list, or just having a finalized version on the wiki?
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***PNC discussion resolves that Yari will return to the committee next week with a motion about improving the agenda process
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**I need to speak with Jamie about getting proper onboarding for the wiki, mayfirst, IRC, etc.
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**Every officer should now be aware of their forwarding emails that are set up and are on uspirates.org/about
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**Please talk to me about any websites you need access to that you do not have access to.
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*Swarmcare: I posted some polls in our Discord to get a feel for some things. Most respondents don’t have a state party, but there were folks who said they’d like to help. A few of them said they were willing to be their state’s PNC representative. I hope to speak with those folks and figure out how to get them here asap as the next step. Some of the states I believe we’ll see in the near future as PNC members, should all go well: Ohio, New York, Mississippi, Florida, Texas and Colorado
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**brief discussion on how to initially set up parties
  
 
=== Old Business ===
 
=== Old Business ===
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*none
  
 
=== New Business ===
 
=== New Business ===
  
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Meeting adjourned at pm EST.
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*First item of business - we received an email from Alex Darlington on behalf of a new third party called the Stair Party. He's interested in working together and forming something called the Coalition of American Third Parties
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**'''CA moves to allow Alex Darlington to be a part of the meeting next week to discuss collaboration and the Coalition of American Third Parties with the PNC'''
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**'''motion passes 5-0-0'''
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*Second item of business - "Host a hackathon?"
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**'''CA moves to pass the issue to a discovery committee'''
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***discovery committee members: Yari, Jester, Mitch from Mississppi (suggested)
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**'''motion passes 5-0-0'''
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Meeting adjourned at 10:20pm EST.
  
 
== Minutes ==
 
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18:04:29 <Wodensday> Calling this meeting to order at 9:04 EDT
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18:04:38 <Wodensday> IDs? (Name and state)
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18:04:43 <yari> Rose Klein, Secretary, CA
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18:04:44 <Wodensday> Anthony Jay, PNC Chair
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18:04:45 <pmchi> Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
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18:05:08 <Ethan> Ethan Osborne Captain Kentucky
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18:05:10 <DreadPirateDrew> Drew Bingaman, Captain PA
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18:05:28 <yari> Drew I like the new username
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18:05:39 <DreadPirateDrew> Borrowed from my twitter handle
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18:05:45 <yari> nice
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18:06:02 <Wodensday> For any new folks, you can participate if you ID (even if only PNC members can vote)
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18:06:10 <Wodensday> Anyways, enough stalling.
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18:06:16 <Wodensday> Let's get on to reports.
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18:06:21 <Wodensday> Platform - pmchi
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18:07:09 Jester has joined
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18:07:17 <Wodensday> Welcomer Jester, please ID
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18:07:28 <Jester> Maya Melody, INPP
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18:07:49 <Wodensday> Pmchi - are you with us?
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18:07:51 <pmchi> Platform we went over USPirates FAQ section. There were solid suggestions but I’d like to spend one more week to formally organize appropriate changes. I shall seek PNC approval before making any changes
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18:08:13 <Wodensday> Awesome. Anything you need volunteers for?
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18:09:15 <pmchi> I have two more weeks of wrestling school so if anyone would like to help with the meeting until I get my Mondays back (so for two weeks), it’d be appropriated!
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18:09:30 <pmchi> Appreciated
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18:09:41 <Wodensday> Awesome, anyone interested in that should find Mitch on the Discord under the same username.
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18:10:32 <Wodensday> As for Outreach - the committee is trying to brainstorm an in-person event that can be duplicated in multiple states and locations. The idea is to both raise awareness of the party but also give our activists something to do. I look forward to reporting more.
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18:10:32 <yari> As the resident action item person, I'm wondering if we can ask for volunteers for that right now
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18:10:48 <yari> (for platform, that is)
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18:10:55 brianna has joined
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18:11:07 <Wodensday> Fair enough, does anyone specific want to volunteer to help Mitch with platform?
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18:11:12 <Wodensday> I can help step in a bit.
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18:11:19 <Wodensday> Welcome Brianna, please ID (name and state)
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18:11:27 <DreadPirateDrew> Might I suggest Tabling events at pride events.
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18:11:38 <brianna> Brianna Coyle, Ohio
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18:12:12 <Wodensday> DreadPirateDrew - amazing idea, though I think we probably should have seen the foresight to plan that two months ago. Let's do it next year.
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18:12:34 <Wodensday> And the year after that
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18:12:38 <DreadPirateDrew> In my neck of the woods there are events going all summer, not just this month.
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18:12:43 <yari> ^
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18:13:04 <brianna> If it’s not too late to get tables, I would say heck yeah, do it
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18:13:04 <Wodensday> I stand corrected. Can you come to outreach on Tuesday?
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18:13:25 <Ethan> I'm planning on tabling an event or two before I leave next month for both the campaign and the Party pirate
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18:13:44 <Wodensday> Man you all are killing it.
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18:13:47 <NomadOfNorad> Folding tables, maybe?  So they're nicely portable?  :D  (This is David Hall in Florida, btw)
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18:13:53 <DreadPirateDrew> I can, although I will have a deadline since we are picking up pirate 101 again
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18:14:31 <Wodensday> (I can resume my roll in Pirate 101 too)
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18:14:42 <DreadPirateDrew> absolutely
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18:14:55 <yari> For platform committee help - I can help with the committee on the 27th, but not on the 20th.
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18:15:25 <Wodensday> As IT isn't here, I am going to suggest we move from committee reports to officer reports if there are no objections. Those who want to pick up action items know who to see.
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18:16:57 <yari> no objections.
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18:17:07 <Wodensday> I am going to take that as a yes? Though you always have the power to overrule me.
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18:17:13 <Wodensday> Secretary? - yari
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18:17:29 <yari> 1. I ask that the PNC decide when the agenda of each meeting must be set by. Currently, there is no minimum in the bylaws. Should such a deadline include an email being sent out to the PNC and the SAB email list, or just having a finalized version on the wiki?
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18:17:40 <yari> 2. I need to speak with Jamie about getting proper onboarding for the wiki, mayfirst, IRC, etc.
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18:17:47 <yari> 3. Every officer should now be aware of their forwarding emails that are set up and are on uspirates.org/about
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18:17:53 <yari> 4. Please talk to me about any websites you need access to that you do not have access to.
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18:17:59 <yari> end of report.
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18:18:53 <Wodensday> Thank you so much. Let's focus on number 1. When should the agenda for each week be decided and sent out? I believe they are tossing it to the states
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18:19:06 <DreadPirateDrew> Suggest adding info@papirates.org to PA contact info
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18:19:46 <yari> thank you drew. will do. Please forward any other similar requests to secretary@uspirates.org
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18:19:59 <DreadPirateDrew> Will do.  Thanks Yari.
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18:20:20 <Wodensday> Pmchi, DreadPirateDrew, Ethan, Jester - do we have strong feelings on topic 1?
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18:20:45 <DreadPirateDrew> As to the question, agenda's are only really a big deal if there is something new and major that is coming up, not just continuation of business.
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18:21:12 <Jester> I agree
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18:21:21 <Ethan> Sounds good to me
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18:21:32 <NomadOfNorad> Presumably that set of guidelines will still be flexible if set in place, if I'm reading the laid-back way the current USPP staff have been correctly. :)
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18:21:54 <pmchi> I have nothing to add
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18:22:05 <yari> I mean - I'd like to codify our laid-back setup
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18:22:11 <Wodensday> Okay, so I'm hearing "Me or Yari getting it to you over the weekend is good enough"?
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18:22:24 <NomadOfNorad> sounds like a plan
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18:22:37 <Wodensday> Yari, would you like to speak to why you feel a structure is necessary?
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18:22:39 <DreadPirateDrew> no objection
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18:22:52 <Mariah-Lynne> Mariah-Lynne, Kentucky Pirate Party
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18:22:56 <Mariah-Lynne> Yari, can I send information to you to secretary@uspirates.org about what needs to be added to the KY Wiki?
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18:23:27 <yari> Mariah-Lynne only if it is the KY wiki under wiki.uspirates.org
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18:23:46 <Mariah-Lynne> Yes for the contact section.
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18:23:49 <yari> sure
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18:24:22 <yari> Wodensday - I think maybe part of this is honestly that I just function better with structure?
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18:24:28 <Wodensday> In the interest of not overloading Yari, I may suggest that they formulate a suggested plan of action for the agenda and pitch it to us next week.
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18:24:36 <yari> I am okay with that
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18:24:47 <DreadPirateDrew> Second
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18:24:52 <yari> I will make a motion next week
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18:25:06 <Wodensday> Awesome.
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18:25:14 <Wodensday> I am going to assume the Secretary's report is settled.
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18:25:22 brianna has quit
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18:25:34 <Wodensday> Swarmcare Manager - pmchi
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18:26:03 <pmchi> I posted some polls in our Discord to get a feel for some things. Most respondents don’t have a state party, but there were folks who said they’d like to help. A few of them said they were willing to be their state’s PNC representative. I hope to speak with those folks and figure out how to get them here asap as the next step. Some of the states I believe we’ll see in the near future as PNC members, should all go well: Ohio, New York,
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18:26:03 <pmchi> Mississippi, Florida, Texas and Colorado
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18:26:59 <DocGeoJersey> Nick Archer, NJ I would be interested in helping start a chapter here
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18:27:16 <Wodensday> How can Nick reach you, Mitch?
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18:27:22 <yari> pmchi is definitely the person to talk to!
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18:27:27 <NomadOfNorad> How many actually, official members does one of these chapters need to have to be functional?
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18:27:41 <DocGeoJersey> DocGeoJersey on discord or on twitter
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18:28:05 <Wodensday> Two bodies are required for the PNC, though running a political party as a real operation takes at least 3-5
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18:28:32 <pmchi> I know we have interested NJ Pirates, so let’s chat to get something going! I’d love to see a NJPP added soon as well
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18:28:36 <yari> yeah, bylaws say 2 people, we usually say minimum 3 when the vote comes down to it
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18:29:01 <yari> It's hard to get anything started without at least 3 invested people
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18:29:14 <DreadPirateDrew> Agreed on that yari
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18:29:15 brianna has joined
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18:29:39 <NomadOfNorad> how much work is it typically for one of these invested people?
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18:30:06 <Wodensday> Noting we do not have treasury or auditor here.
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18:30:07 <DreadPirateDrew> Depends on how in depth you want your bylaws and platform to be.
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18:30:26 <yari> Nomad, that's highly dependent also on how quickly you can get other people to help you
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18:30:30 brianna has quit
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18:30:49 <Wodensday> (And PR is phasing in and out of existence)
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18:31:20 <DreadPirateDrew> no MTG keywords Wodensday... not everyone has them memorized
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18:31:21 <yari> Wodensday, I can go ahead and collect the report from the Treasurer asynchronously and send it to the board as well as post it on the wiki summary
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18:31:45 <Wodensday> DreadPirateDrew if I wanted to make a magic joke I'd just say "Brianna has phasing", smh
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18:32:04 <Wodensday> Thank you so much Yari, that sounds like fantastic precedent.
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18:32:14 <Wodensday> Any more comments on Swarmcare?
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18:32:16 <yari> cool
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18:33:26 <Wodensday> Any additional debate or discussion on any of these reports?
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18:33:47 <yari> none here
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18:34:11 <DreadPirateDrew> none
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18:34:37 <Wodensday> Remember to contact Pmchi (Mitch Davilo) in some form if you want to start a state party.
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18:34:38 <yari> Nomad - minimum, it's going to be a solid 3-5 hours a week to kick it off the ground. (2 hours of meeting with others, 1-3 hours of working on propoganda/tabling/outreach/website/etc)
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18:35:11 <Wodensday> I think it's agenda time: https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=PNC_06/12/2022
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18:35:13 <papegaai> Title: PNC 06/12/2022 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
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18:35:20 <yari> oh goodness, I forgot to share that
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18:35:31 <yari> I think that's supposed to be one of my main responsibilities or something
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18:35:40 <yari> thank you for doing that
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18:35:50 <Wodensday> The new secretary and chair are playing musical chairs with our duties, t's cool
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18:37:03 <DreadPirateDrew> BRB
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18:37:10 <Wodensday> First item of business - we received an email from Alex Darlington on behalf of a new third party called the Stair Party. He's interested in working together and forming something called the Coalition of American Third Parties
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18:37:15 <Wodensday> I will link some of the stuff below
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18:37:28 <Wodensday> https://www.stairparty.org/
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18:37:30 <papegaai> Title: Stair Party | The Next Step For America (at www.stairparty.org)
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18:37:46 <Ethan> Interesting
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18:37:55 <Wodensday> I guess that's all I need to send.
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18:38:03 brianna has joined
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18:38:22 <Wodensday> I have some thoughts, though I will reserve them if necessary. I can also say them while you all are looking over that.
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18:39:21 <yari> Upon receiving the email, I suggested that a meeting might happen during one of our jitsi meetings, so I'm going to go ahead and propose that to kick off the conversation.
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18:39:46 <brianna> (Sorry this is my first time on one of these chats and I’m on my phone and not PC so I think that’s why it keeps kicking me whenever my screen turns off)
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18:39:53 Ethan has quit
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18:40:00 <Wodensday> No worries! I get it lol
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18:40:07 Ethan has joined
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18:41:05 <yari> Okay, let me go ahead and make it an official motion then.
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18:41:20 <Wodensday> Motion to?
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18:41:36 <Jester> Reading their definition of their own ideology makes me cautious, but I'm more than willing to hear them out.
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18:41:46 <yari> I move that we allow Alex Darlington to be a part of the meeting next week to discuss this collaboration and the Coalition of American Third Parties with us
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18:42:00 <DreadPirateDrew> Second
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18:42:19 <Wodensday> It is now discussion and debate time.
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18:42:29 <Wodensday> I do have a few thoughts.
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18:42:38 <yari> I think it should be on the agenda, even though I think their ideology is ehhhh just fine I suppose
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18:43:09 <DreadPirateDrew> I think one of the biggest things where 3rd parties can help each other is on ballot access
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18:43:15 <yari> That said I feel that collaboration is to everyone's benefit, so long as they are not fascists
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18:43:38 brianna has joined
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18:44:00 <yari> I'm also curious to hear wodensday's thoughts
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18:44:01 <Wodensday> Collaboration is something I'm game for. Though, I am very hesitant to essentially found a new coalition. This isn't the only email the new administration has already received that, essentially, is a (very polite) request to use our slightly larger platform to their benefit. I am okay with that, we should do that sometimes, but it is something to
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18:44:02 <Wodensday> keep in mind.
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18:44:02 <NomadOfNorad> What about if they're Greath Cthulhu Party?  :D
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18:44:06 <NomadOfNorad> *Great
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18:44:09 <Wodensday> I do not think we get much out of this.
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18:44:30 <Jester> Yea actually how large is the Stair party?
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18:44:35 <yari> Wodesnday, that's a good point
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18:44:38 <Wodensday> Brand new
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18:44:52 <yari> and they're asking to form a coalition with us
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18:44:52 <Wodensday> 66 Twitter followers
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18:44:54 <Jester> As in a dozen members in only a single state or what?
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18:45:31 <DreadPirateDrew> That describes the Keystone Party in PA.  although they have a larger social following
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18:46:19 <brianna> There are other third parties as well. PSL, People’s Party, the Transhumanist party, etc who might be interested in a third party coalition? At least for the sake of coming together on ballot access issues
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18:46:33 <Wodensday> Aren't there other coalitions too?
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18:46:34 <yari> If we like their policies, we could do the sort of cross-endorsement and fusion candidates that brianna suggested without doing a coalition thing
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18:46:45 <Wodensday> I'd rather we lift each other up with pragmatic diplomacy
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18:46:58 <brianna> Yeah, I don’t know anything about this “Stair Party”
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18:47:09 <brianna> Not opposed just uninformed
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18:47:12 <Ethan> I've been trying to form a third party coalition since I joined the Pirates, it's extremely challenging
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18:47:12 <Jester> It may be what is needed. Though I would hesitate a bit since their stated policy just seems to be anti-establishment enlightened centrism.
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18:47:37 <Jester> But that's just my first impression on reading their ideology web page
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18:48:11 <Wodensday> To be brutally honest, in the current condition it's more like mentoring the newbie (which again, I am more than happy to do).
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18:48:21 <yari> I think it's worth hearing them out, of course... but yeah.
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18:48:55 <Wodensday> I believe the LP, Greens, CPUSA and Constitutionalists are already in something like this for lobbying yeah?
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18:49:02 <Wodensday> We should be looking to expand that
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18:49:11 <brianna> Are they?
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18:49:13 <Wodensday> I can't remember the name
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18:49:18 <Wodensday> But I've seen it around before
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18:49:36 <DreadPirateDrew> PA has a ballot access coalition.  Which I may look into joining.
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18:50:35 <Wodensday> I think we should seek to join existing coalitions. Stay close to the Stairists and if they go anywhere we vouch for them.
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18:51:12 <Wodensday> However, I am no longer a voting member. ;D
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18:51:35 <yari> I'm down for that. Is that really a motion that we could make though?
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18:51:37 <Jester> Their economic policies don't seem to focus on people's prosperity as much as I'd like, one of their solutions to "revive" the rust belt is to just use automation and robots so the companies aren't having to pay workers. Which is just the most byzantine method I've heard of in a while to "revive" the region.
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18:52:10 <Ethan> Typically The DSA PSL work together
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18:52:14 <NomadOfNorad> Maybe they're expecting the people od the rust belt to build the robots.  0o
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18:52:18 <Wodensday> Yari - a motion would probably have to be more specific
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18:52:34 <yari> point of order - there is already a motion on the table
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18:52:35 <Wodensday> NomadOfNorad NO! I will not become a robot and I will not build the robotss!
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18:52:46 <Wodensday> Thank you Yari.
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18:52:57 <Wodensday> Any objection to calling the vote? I will get the motion
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18:53:12 <Jester> NomadOfNorad that's just cruel
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18:53:18 <NomadOfNorad> If they robots start talking about the terrible secret of space, and your need to go stand by the stairs.... run away from them.
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18:53:29 <yari> none here
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18:53:41 <DreadPirateDrew> No objection
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18:53:45 <Wodensday> yari 20:42:01
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18:53:46 <Wodensday> I move that we allow Alex Darlington to be a part of the meeting next week to discuss this collaboration and the Coalition of American Third Parties with us
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18:53:57 <Wodensday> All in favor?
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18:54:03 <DreadPirateDrew> aye
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18:54:04 <yari> aye
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18:54:05 Ethan has quit
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18:54:07 <Jester> aye
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18:54:19 <NomadOfNorad> Well, I have no objection
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18:54:22 Ethan has joined
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18:54:26 <brianna> Aye (if I’m even allowed to vote, lol)
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18:54:36 <Ethan> Aye
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18:54:42 <Wodensday> Not until you give us Ohio or NY.
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18:54:45 <Wodensday> Pmchi
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18:54:48 <Wodensday> (Hint hint)
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18:54:56 <brianna> Oh okay! And yeah, working on it lol
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18:55:03 <pmchi> Aye
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18:55:18 <Wodensday> Motion passes unanimously, we will have Alex on.
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18:55:34 <yari> I will go ahead and email Alex about next week then
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18:55:48 <Wodensday> Excellent, thank you Yari.
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18:55:53 <yari> I'll keep it chill
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18:56:18 <Wodensday> I would like to remind us of time though we have no hard deadline, continue agenda vs adjourn is up to the body and their wants.
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18:57:17 <yari> I'd like to keep going to the next item for a bit at least
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18:57:21 <Wodensday> Next item of business would be "Host a hackathon?"
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18:57:34 <Wodensday> I am hearing no motions to adjourn, so let's move on.
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18:57:43 <yari> It's a very specific item of business
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18:57:56 <Wodensday> Yari - should I let you pitch this? You've been on the ground talking to people for this one
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18:58:12 <yari> Goodness, I wish I had a full pitch ready for this
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18:58:21 <yari> We should do a hackathon.
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18:58:27 <yari> It would be fun.
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18:58:46 <yari> It would be a day or two where there is a theme of things that people make with code
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18:58:54 <yari> maybe a talk or two talks
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18:59:02 <yari> and a bunch of support and online tools
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18:59:20 <yari> it could just take place in the discord or it could be on youtube, or whatever
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18:59:34 <Wodensday> Is this limited to tech? I heard a suggestion that it could also be for things like policy
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18:59:53 <yari> It's not tech limited! We could absolutely do a policy hack-a-thon
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19:00:07 <yari> In fact that was one proposal, and a very good one
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19:00:23 <yari> platform hackathon
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19:00:35 <Wodensday> (That way it's technically getting work done)
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19:01:13 <Wodensday> How about we have some discussion?
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19:02:03 <yari> I feel like this could easily be thrown to a discovery committee
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19:02:08 <DreadPirateDrew> Interested, although I am not exactly sure what we are talking about.  Is this something we can circle back to on one of the jitsi meetings and have a pitch?
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19:02:27 <Jester> I'd be into it, though I do think we should try and broadcast it to various tech communities in order to drive traffic and discussion. Though it may also be good to have some of the more programming experienced members of our party host workshops or something for people who want to learn coding.
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19:02:57 <yari> I guess I'm curious if it would be better to do a policy hackathon or a code hackathon
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19:03:10 <yari> or something else
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19:04:06 <Wodensday> I think it should further the party in some way other than exposure, if it's purely community building then that's something we would hand off to a team that we do not have.
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19:04:39 <yari> aka: policy hackathon first and then the code one further down the road
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19:04:40 <yari> ?
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19:05:00 <DreadPirateDrew> How would a policy hackathon work?
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19:05:51 <Wodensday> I don't think we as the PNC should directly devote our time and attention to something just for fun, as evil as I sound saying that.
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19:06:13 <yari> Drew - I'm not entirely sure.
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19:06:24 <Wodensday> It should further our party infrastructure, wants, or goals
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19:06:39 <yari> I'm going to move that we throw this issue to a discovery committee
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19:06:39 <brianna> I’m not quite sure what a hackathon consists of, but I would imagine that such events would generate interest and possibly help us grow
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19:06:50 <DreadPirateDrew> A Pirate Policy summit would be cool.  We have some speakers, some roundtable discussions, ect, post to youtube
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19:07:08 <Wodensday> We have a motion on the table.
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19:07:11 <Wodensday> Any seconds?
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19:07:18 <yari> Drew - that's essentially what my understanding of it would be. a summit at which the policy would be made as well
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19:08:01 <yari> brianna, there is a fair bit of hackathon documentation online. it's essentially a creator's summit, where a bunch of people get together to make things
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19:08:28 <Wodensday> Last call for seconds to Yari's motion
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19:08:41 <DreadPirateDrew> Can you restate the motion ?
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19:08:53 <Wodensday> yari 21:06:53
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19:08:53 <Wodensday> I'm going to move that we throw this issue to a discovery committee
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19:09:23 <yari> When I'm suggesting that we throw it to a discovery committee, I mean that I would like it to be discussed by a small group of volunteers selected rn who then come back to us with a motion or proposal
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19:09:34 <yari> that is the definition of a discovery committee
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19:09:44 <DreadPirateDrew> I will second
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19:09:47 <Jester> I'll second that
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19:09:50 <yari> cool
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19:09:58 <Wodensday> Any discussion, debate, or objection?
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19:10:13 <Ethan> I gotta run folks , have a good week y'all
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19:10:14 <yari> I think the main issue before voting would just be: who is on the committee
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19:10:20 <Wodensday> See ya Ethan!
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19:10:29 <yari> I will volunteer myself for one spot, but there should be others
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19:10:35 <Wodensday> Attendance goes down to IN, IL, CA, PA
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19:10:48 <yari> We have the KY backup - Mariah-Lynne
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19:11:00 <Wodensday> If she is interested in voting.
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19:11:02 <DreadPirateDrew> No objection
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19:11:12 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
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19:11:21 <yari> KY secondary, sorry - 'backup' feels a bit demeaning, I think
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19:11:24 <Wodensday> I will take that as a yes.
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19:11:48 <Wodensday> Current issue is discuss, mainly who will be on this discovery committee.
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19:12:06 <yari> I ask for any volunteers to help me
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19:12:06 <Wodensday> May I suggest Mississippi Mitch?
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19:12:19 <Wodensday> That is a very cool nickname
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19:12:28 <yari> that would be a lovely person to contact. I will talk to Mississippi Mitch
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19:12:38 <yari> any chance I could get one other person?
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19:13:09 <yari> -to help figure out the basic outline of a hackathon event that the PNC might put on
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19:13:26 <Jester> I guess I'll volunteer. Might as well.
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19:13:28 <Mariah-Lynne> I wouldn't know how to code.
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19:13:38 <yari> Mariah-Lynne this is just for event planning.
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19:13:52 <yari> coding not required to plan the event
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19:14:00 <yari> Jester, thank you
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19:14:08 <Jester> Yea no prob
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19:14:30 <yari> Okay I have my team I'm happy
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19:14:32 <Wodensday> Are there any objections to calling the question?
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19:14:41 <yari> none
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19:14:48 <DreadPirateDrew> no objection
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19:14:51 <Jester> nope
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19:14:53 <Mariah-Lynne> Would Mass Pirates have contacts with the Aaron Swartz hackathon that happens every year?
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19:15:06 <yari> I will ask them
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19:15:11 <yari> thank you for the note
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19:15:20 <NomadOfNorad> no problems with it here, either, but I suspect my vote of confidence probably doesn't count.  :D
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19:15:28 <Wodensday> All in favor of allowing Yari to establish this discovery committee?
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19:15:30 <Mariah-Lynne> That's the only hackathon I can think of.
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19:15:43 <yari> aye (for my own discovery committee)
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19:15:48 <DreadPirateDrew> aye
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19:15:54 <Jester> aye
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19:16:08 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
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19:16:09 <Wodensday> Pmchi, Mariah-Lynne
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19:16:30 <pmchi> Aye
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19:16:57 <Wodensday> Motion passes, committee set to discover discoveries.
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19:16:58 <yari> motion to adjourn
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19:17:06 <Wodensday> Motion to adjourn on the table
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19:17:06 <DreadPirateDrew> second
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19:17:12 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
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19:17:14 Ethan has quit
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19:17:24 <Wodensday> Quick note - I think we shoul allow Brianna chance to give a PR report if they want to
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19:17:46 <Wodensday> We didn't get to ask.
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19:18:04 <yari> I can take brianna's report and put it in the notes separately, just as with the treasurer
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19:18:06 brianna and Catmandom have quit
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19:18:13 <yari> especially because of that
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19:18:16 brianna has joined
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19:18:37 <Wodensday> That sounds like a good plan.
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19:18:47 <Wodensday> All in favor of adjourning?
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19:18:51 <yari> aye
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19:18:55 <DreadPirateDrew> aye
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19:18:56 <Jester> aye
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19:19:08 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
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19:19:28 <Wodensday> pmchi
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19:19:39 <pmchi> Aye
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Agenda

Reports

IT

Outreach

Platform

Other

  • Secretary:
    • The PNC should decide when the agenda of each meeting must be set by. Currently, there is no minimum in the bylaws.
      • should this include an email out to the PNC & SAB?
    • I need to speak with Jamie about getting proper onboarding for the wiki, mayfirst, IRC, etc.
    • Everyone should now be aware of their forwarding emails that are set up and are on uspirates.org/about
    • Please talk to me about any platforms you need access to that you do not have access to.

Discussion

Old Business

New Business

  • Discussion of collaboration with Stair Party and Coalition of American Third Parties
  • Host a hackathon?
  • Endorsement request from Thomas Quiter

Attending

  • yari - Rose Klein, Secretary, CA
  • Wodensday - Anthony Jay, PNC Chair
  • pmchi - Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
  • Ethan - Ethan Osborne Captain Kentucky
  • DreadPirateDrew - Drew Bingaman, Captain PA
  • Jester - Maya Melody, INPP
  • Mariah-Lynne - Mariah-Lynne, Kentucky Pirate Party

Probationary States

Non-Voting

  • brianna - Brianna Coyle, Ohio
  • NomadOfNorad - David Hall, Florida
  • DocGeoJersey - Nick Archer, NJ

Summary

Meeting called to order at 9:04pm EST.

Reports

  • Platform: Platform we went over USPirates FAQ section. There were solid suggestions but I’d like to spend one more week to formally organize appropriate changes. I shall seek PNC approval before making any changes
  • Outreach - the committee is trying to brainstorm an in-person event that can be duplicated in multiple states and locations. The idea is to both raise awareness of the party but also give our activists something to do. I look forward to reporting more.
    • Discussion of tabling at Pride events
  • Secretary:
    • I ask that the PNC decide when the agenda of each meeting must be set by. Currently, there is no minimum in the bylaws. Should such a deadline include an email being sent out to the PNC and the SAB email list, or just having a finalized version on the wiki?
      • PNC discussion resolves that Yari will return to the committee next week with a motion about improving the agenda process
    • I need to speak with Jamie about getting proper onboarding for the wiki, mayfirst, IRC, etc.
    • Every officer should now be aware of their forwarding emails that are set up and are on uspirates.org/about
    • Please talk to me about any websites you need access to that you do not have access to.
  • Swarmcare: I posted some polls in our Discord to get a feel for some things. Most respondents don’t have a state party, but there were folks who said they’d like to help. A few of them said they were willing to be their state’s PNC representative. I hope to speak with those folks and figure out how to get them here asap as the next step. Some of the states I believe we’ll see in the near future as PNC members, should all go well: Ohio, New York, Mississippi, Florida, Texas and Colorado
    • brief discussion on how to initially set up parties

Old Business

  • none

New Business

  • First item of business - we received an email from Alex Darlington on behalf of a new third party called the Stair Party. He's interested in working together and forming something called the Coalition of American Third Parties
    • CA moves to allow Alex Darlington to be a part of the meeting next week to discuss collaboration and the Coalition of American Third Parties with the PNC
    • motion passes 5-0-0
  • Second item of business - "Host a hackathon?"
    • CA moves to pass the issue to a discovery committee
      • discovery committee members: Yari, Jester, Mitch from Mississppi (suggested)
    • motion passes 5-0-0

Meeting adjourned at 10:20pm EST.

Minutes

Record of the meeting 


18:04:29 <Wodensday> Calling this meeting to order at 9:04 EDT
18:04:38 <Wodensday> IDs? (Name and state)
18:04:43 <yari> Rose Klein, Secretary, CA
18:04:44 <Wodensday> Anthony Jay, PNC Chair
18:04:45 <pmchi> Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
18:05:08 <Ethan> Ethan Osborne Captain Kentucky 
18:05:10 <DreadPirateDrew> Drew Bingaman, Captain PA
18:05:28 <yari> Drew I like the new username
18:05:39 <DreadPirateDrew> Borrowed from my twitter handle
18:05:45 <yari> nice
18:06:02 <Wodensday> For any new folks, you can participate if you ID (even if only PNC members can vote)
18:06:10 <Wodensday> Anyways, enough stalling.
18:06:16 <Wodensday> Let's get on to reports.
18:06:21 <Wodensday> Platform - pmchi
18:07:09 Jester has joined
18:07:17 <Wodensday> Welcomer Jester, please ID
18:07:28 <Jester> Maya Melody, INPP
18:07:49 <Wodensday> Pmchi - are you with us?
18:07:51 <pmchi> Platform we went over USPirates FAQ section. There were solid suggestions but I’d like to spend one more week to formally organize appropriate changes. I shall seek PNC approval before making any changes
18:08:13 <Wodensday> Awesome. Anything you need volunteers for?
18:09:15 <pmchi> I have two more weeks of wrestling school so if anyone would like to help with the meeting until I get my Mondays back (so for two weeks), it’d be appropriated!
18:09:30 <pmchi> Appreciated
18:09:41 <Wodensday> Awesome, anyone interested in that should find Mitch on the Discord under the same username.
18:10:32 <Wodensday> As for Outreach - the committee is trying to brainstorm an in-person event that can be duplicated in multiple states and locations. The idea is to both raise awareness of the party but also give our activists something to do. I look forward to reporting more.
18:10:32 <yari> As the resident action item person, I'm wondering if we can ask for volunteers for that right now
18:10:48 <yari> (for platform, that is)
18:10:55 brianna has joined
18:11:07 <Wodensday> Fair enough, does anyone specific want to volunteer to help Mitch with platform?
18:11:12 <Wodensday> I can help step in a bit.
18:11:19 <Wodensday> Welcome Brianna, please ID (name and state)
18:11:27 <DreadPirateDrew> Might I suggest Tabling events at pride events.
18:11:38 <brianna> Brianna Coyle, Ohio
18:12:12 <Wodensday> DreadPirateDrew - amazing idea, though I think we probably should have seen the foresight to plan that two months ago. Let's do it next year.
18:12:34 <Wodensday> And the year after that
18:12:38 <DreadPirateDrew> In my neck of the woods there are events going all summer, not just this month.
18:12:43 <yari> ^
18:13:04 <brianna> If it’s not too late to get tables, I would say heck yeah, do it
18:13:04 <Wodensday> I stand corrected. Can you come to outreach on Tuesday?
18:13:25 <Ethan> I'm planning on tabling an event or two before I leave next month for both the campaign and the Party pirate 
18:13:44 <Wodensday> Man you all are killing it.
18:13:47 <NomadOfNorad> Folding tables, maybe?   So they're nicely portable?  :D  (This is David Hall in Florida, btw)
18:13:53 <DreadPirateDrew> I can, although I will have a deadline since we are picking up pirate 101 again
18:14:31 <Wodensday> (I can resume my roll in Pirate 101 too)
18:14:42 <DreadPirateDrew> absolutely
18:14:55 <yari> For platform committee help - I can help with the committee on the 27th, but not on the 20th. 
18:15:25 <Wodensday> As IT isn't here, I am going to suggest we move from committee reports to officer reports if there are no objections. Those who want to pick up action items know who to see.
18:16:57 <yari> no objections.
18:17:07 <Wodensday> I am going to take that as a yes? Though you always have the power to overrule me.
18:17:13 <Wodensday> Secretary? - yari
18:17:29 <yari> 1. I ask that the PNC decide when the agenda of each meeting must be set by. Currently, there is no minimum in the bylaws. Should such a deadline include an email being sent out to the PNC and the SAB email list, or just having a finalized version on the wiki?
18:17:40 <yari> 2. I need to speak with Jamie about getting proper onboarding for the wiki, mayfirst, IRC, etc.
18:17:47 <yari> 3. Every officer should now be aware of their forwarding emails that are set up and are on uspirates.org/about
18:17:53 <yari> 4. Please talk to me about any websites you need access to that you do not have access to.
18:17:59 <yari> end of report.
18:18:53 <Wodensday> Thank you so much. Let's focus on number 1. When should the agenda for each week be decided and sent out? I believe they are tossing it to the states
18:19:06 <DreadPirateDrew> Suggest adding info@papirates.org to PA contact info
18:19:46 <yari> thank you drew. will do. Please forward any other similar requests to secretary@uspirates.org
18:19:59 <DreadPirateDrew> Will do.  Thanks Yari.
18:20:20 <Wodensday> Pmchi, DreadPirateDrew, Ethan, Jester - do we have strong feelings on topic 1?
18:20:45 <DreadPirateDrew> As to the question, agenda's are only really a big deal if there is something new and major that is coming up, not just continuation of business.
18:21:12 <Jester> I agree
18:21:21 <Ethan> Sounds good to me
18:21:32 <NomadOfNorad> Presumably that set of guidelines will still be flexible if set in place, if I'm reading the laid-back way the current USPP staff have been correctly. :)
18:21:54 <pmchi> I have nothing to add
18:22:05 <yari> I mean - I'd like to codify our laid-back setup
18:22:11 <Wodensday> Okay, so I'm hearing "Me or Yari getting it to you over the weekend is good enough"?
18:22:24 <NomadOfNorad> sounds like a plan
18:22:37 <Wodensday> Yari, would you like to speak to why you feel a structure is necessary?
18:22:39 <DreadPirateDrew> no objection
18:22:52 <Mariah-Lynne> Mariah-Lynne, Kentucky Pirate Party
18:22:56 <Mariah-Lynne> Yari, can I send information to you to secretary@uspirates.org about what needs to be added to the KY Wiki?
18:23:27 <yari> Mariah-Lynne only if it is the KY wiki under wiki.uspirates.org
18:23:46 <Mariah-Lynne> Yes for the contact section.
18:23:49 <yari> sure
18:24:22 <yari> Wodensday - I think maybe part of this is honestly that I just function better with structure?
18:24:28 <Wodensday> In the interest of not overloading Yari, I may suggest that they formulate a suggested plan of action for the agenda and pitch it to us next week.
18:24:36 <yari> I am okay with that
18:24:47 <DreadPirateDrew> Second
18:24:52 <yari> I will make a motion next week
18:25:06 <Wodensday> Awesome.
18:25:14 <Wodensday> I am going to assume the Secretary's report is settled.
18:25:22 brianna has quit
18:25:34 <Wodensday> Swarmcare Manager - pmchi
18:26:03 <pmchi> I posted some polls in our Discord to get a feel for some things. Most respondents don’t have a state party, but there were folks who said they’d like to help. A few of them said they were willing to be their state’s PNC representative. I hope to speak with those folks and figure out how to get them here asap as the next step. Some of the states I believe we’ll see in the near future as PNC members, should all go well: Ohio, New York, 
18:26:03 <pmchi> Mississippi, Florida, Texas and Colorado
18:26:59 <DocGeoJersey> Nick Archer, NJ I would be interested in helping start a chapter here
18:27:16 <Wodensday> How can Nick reach you, Mitch?
18:27:22 <yari> pmchi is definitely the person to talk to!
18:27:27 <NomadOfNorad> How many actually, official members does one of these chapters need to have to be functional?
18:27:41 <DocGeoJersey> DocGeoJersey on discord or on twitter
18:28:05 <Wodensday> Two bodies are required for the PNC, though running a political party as a real operation takes at least 3-5
18:28:32 <pmchi> I know we have interested NJ Pirates, so let’s chat to get something going! I’d love to see a NJPP added soon as well
18:28:36 <yari> yeah, bylaws say 2 people, we usually say minimum 3 when the vote comes down to it
18:29:01 <yari> It's hard to get anything started without at least 3 invested people
18:29:14 <DreadPirateDrew> Agreed on that yari
18:29:15 brianna has joined
18:29:39 <NomadOfNorad> how much work is it typically for one of these invested people?
18:30:06 <Wodensday> Noting we do not have treasury or auditor here.
18:30:07 <DreadPirateDrew> Depends on how in depth you want your bylaws and platform to be.
18:30:26 <yari> Nomad, that's highly dependent also on how quickly you can get other people to help you
18:30:30 brianna has quit
18:30:49 <Wodensday> (And PR is phasing in and out of existence)
18:31:20 <DreadPirateDrew> no MTG keywords Wodensday... not everyone has them memorized
18:31:21 <yari> Wodensday, I can go ahead and collect the report from the Treasurer asynchronously and send it to the board as well as post it on the wiki summary
18:31:45 <Wodensday> DreadPirateDrew if I wanted to make a magic joke I'd just say "Brianna has phasing", smh
18:32:04 <Wodensday> Thank you so much Yari, that sounds like fantastic precedent.
18:32:14 <Wodensday> Any more comments on Swarmcare?
18:32:16 <yari> cool
18:33:26 <Wodensday> Any additional debate or discussion on any of these reports?
18:33:47 <yari> none here
18:34:11 <DreadPirateDrew> none
18:34:37 <Wodensday> Remember to contact Pmchi (Mitch Davilo) in some form if you want to start a state party.
18:34:38 <yari> Nomad - minimum, it's going to be a solid 3-5 hours a week to kick it off the ground. (2 hours of meeting with others, 1-3 hours of working on propoganda/tabling/outreach/website/etc)
18:35:11 <Wodensday> I think it's agenda time: https://wiki.uspirates.org/w/index.php?title=PNC_06/12/2022
18:35:13 <papegaai> Title: PNC 06/12/2022 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.uspirates.org)
18:35:20 <yari> oh goodness, I forgot to share that
18:35:31 <yari> I think that's supposed to be one of my main responsibilities or something
18:35:40 <yari> thank you for doing that
18:35:50 <Wodensday> The new secretary and chair are playing musical chairs with our duties, t's cool
18:37:03 <DreadPirateDrew> BRB
18:37:10 <Wodensday> First item of business - we received an email from Alex Darlington on behalf of a new third party called the Stair Party. He's interested in working together and forming something called the Coalition of American Third Parties
18:37:15 <Wodensday> I will link some of the stuff below
18:37:28 <Wodensday> https://www.stairparty.org/
18:37:30 <papegaai> Title: Stair Party | The Next Step For America (at www.stairparty.org)
18:37:46 <Ethan> Interesting
18:37:55 <Wodensday> I guess that's all I need to send.
18:38:03 brianna has joined
18:38:22 <Wodensday> I have some thoughts, though I will reserve them if necessary. I can also say them while you all are looking over that.
18:39:21 <yari> Upon receiving the email, I suggested that a meeting might happen during one of our jitsi meetings, so I'm going to go ahead and propose that to kick off the conversation.
18:39:46 <brianna> (Sorry this is my first time on one of these chats and I’m on my phone and not PC so I think that’s why it keeps kicking me whenever my screen turns off)
18:39:53 Ethan has quit
18:40:00 <Wodensday> No worries! I get it lol
18:40:07 Ethan has joined
18:41:05 <yari> Okay, let me go ahead and make it an official motion then.
18:41:20 <Wodensday> Motion to?
18:41:36 <Jester> Reading their definition of their own ideology makes me cautious, but I'm more than willing to hear them out.
18:41:46 <yari> I move that we allow Alex Darlington to be a part of the meeting next week to discuss this collaboration and the Coalition of American Third Parties with us
18:42:00 <DreadPirateDrew> Second
18:42:19 <Wodensday> It is now discussion and debate time.
18:42:29 <Wodensday> I do have a few thoughts.
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18:42:38 <yari> I think it should be on the agenda, even though I think their ideology is ehhhh just fine I suppose
18:43:09 <DreadPirateDrew> I think one of the biggest things where 3rd parties can help each other is on ballot access
18:43:15 <yari> That said I feel that collaboration is to everyone's benefit, so long as they are not fascists
18:43:38 brianna has joined
18:44:00 <yari> I'm also curious to hear wodensday's thoughts
18:44:01 <Wodensday> Collaboration is something I'm game for. Though, I am very hesitant to essentially found a new coalition. This isn't the only email the new administration has already received that, essentially, is a (very polite) request to use our slightly larger platform to their benefit. I am okay with that, we should do that sometimes, but it is something to
18:44:02 <Wodensday> keep in mind.
18:44:02 <NomadOfNorad> What about if they're Greath Cthulhu Party?  :D
18:44:06 <NomadOfNorad> *Great
18:44:09 <Wodensday> I do not think we get much out of this.
18:44:30 <Jester> Yea actually how large is the Stair party?
18:44:35 <yari> Wodesnday, that's a good point
18:44:38 <Wodensday> Brand new
18:44:52 <yari> and they're asking to form a coalition with us
18:44:52 <Wodensday> 66 Twitter followers
18:44:54 <Jester> As in a dozen members in only a single state or what?
18:45:31 <DreadPirateDrew> That describes the Keystone Party in PA.  although they have a larger social following
18:46:19 <brianna> There are other third parties as well. PSL, People’s Party, the Transhumanist party, etc who might be interested in a third party coalition? At least for the sake of coming together on ballot access issues
18:46:33 <Wodensday> Aren't there other coalitions too?
18:46:34 <yari> If we like their policies, we could do the sort of cross-endorsement and fusion candidates that brianna suggested without doing a coalition thing
18:46:45 <Wodensday> I'd rather we lift each other up with pragmatic diplomacy
18:46:58 <brianna> Yeah, I don’t know anything about this “Stair Party”
18:47:09 <brianna> Not opposed just uninformed
18:47:12 <Ethan> I've been trying to form a third party coalition since I joined the Pirates, it's extremely challenging
18:47:12 <Jester> It may be what is needed. Though I would hesitate a bit since their stated policy just seems to be anti-establishment enlightened centrism.
18:47:37 <Jester> But that's just my first impression on reading their ideology web page
18:48:11 <Wodensday> To be brutally honest, in the current condition it's more like mentoring the newbie (which again, I am more than happy to do).
18:48:21 <yari> I think it's worth hearing them out, of course... but yeah.
18:48:55 <Wodensday> I believe the LP, Greens, CPUSA and Constitutionalists are already in something like this for lobbying yeah?
18:49:02 <Wodensday> We should be looking to expand that
18:49:11 <brianna> Are they?
18:49:13 <Wodensday> I can't remember the name
18:49:18 <Wodensday> But I've seen it around before
18:49:36 <DreadPirateDrew> PA has a ballot access coalition.  Which I may look into joining.
18:50:35 <Wodensday> I think we should seek to join existing coalitions. Stay close to the Stairists and if they go anywhere we vouch for them.
18:51:12 <Wodensday> However, I am no longer a voting member. ;D
18:51:35 <yari> I'm down for that. Is that really a motion that we could make though?
18:51:37 <Jester> Their economic policies don't seem to focus on people's prosperity as much as I'd like, one of their solutions to "revive" the rust belt is to just use automation and robots so the companies aren't having to pay workers. Which is just the most byzantine method I've heard of in a while to "revive" the region.
18:52:10 <Ethan> Typically The DSA PSL work together
18:52:14 <NomadOfNorad> Maybe they're expecting the people od the rust belt to build the robots.  0o
18:52:18 <Wodensday> Yari - a motion would probably have to be more specific
18:52:34 <yari> point of order - there is already a motion on the table
18:52:35 <Wodensday> NomadOfNorad NO! I will not become a robot and I will not build the robotss!
18:52:46 <Wodensday> Thank you Yari.
18:52:57 <Wodensday> Any objection to calling the vote? I will get the motion
18:53:12 <Jester> NomadOfNorad that's just cruel
18:53:18 <NomadOfNorad> If they robots start talking about the terrible secret of space, and your need to go stand by the stairs.... run away from them.
18:53:29 <yari> none here
18:53:41 <DreadPirateDrew> No objection
18:53:45 <Wodensday> yari 20:42:01
18:53:46 <Wodensday> I move that we allow Alex Darlington to be a part of the meeting next week to discuss this collaboration and the Coalition of American Third Parties with us
18:53:57 <Wodensday> All in favor?
18:54:03 <DreadPirateDrew> aye
18:54:04 <yari> aye
18:54:05 Ethan has quit
18:54:07 <Jester> aye
18:54:19 <NomadOfNorad> Well, I have no objection
18:54:22 Ethan has joined
18:54:26 <brianna> Aye (if I’m even allowed to vote, lol)
18:54:36 <Ethan> Aye
18:54:42 <Wodensday> Not until you give us Ohio or NY.
18:54:45 <Wodensday> Pmchi
18:54:48 <Wodensday> (Hint hint)
18:54:56 <brianna> Oh okay! And yeah, working on it lol
18:55:03 <pmchi> Aye
18:55:18 <Wodensday> Motion passes unanimously, we will have Alex on.
18:55:34 <yari> I will go ahead and email Alex about next week then
18:55:48 <Wodensday> Excellent, thank you Yari.
18:55:53 <yari> I'll keep it chill
18:56:18 <Wodensday> I would like to remind us of time though we have no hard deadline, continue agenda vs adjourn is up to the body and their wants.
18:57:17 <yari> I'd like to keep going to the next item for a bit at least
18:57:21 <Wodensday> Next item of business would be "Host a hackathon?"
18:57:34 <Wodensday> I am hearing no motions to adjourn, so let's move on.
18:57:43 <yari> It's a very specific item of business
18:57:56 <Wodensday> Yari - should I let you pitch this? You've been on the ground talking to people for this one
18:58:12 <yari> Goodness, I wish I had a full pitch ready for this
18:58:21 <yari> We should do a hackathon. 
18:58:27 <yari> It would be fun.
18:58:46 <yari> It would be a day or two where there is a theme of things that people make with code
18:58:54 <yari> maybe a talk or two talks
18:59:02 <yari> and a bunch of support and online tools 
18:59:20 <yari> it could just take place in the discord or it could be on youtube, or whatever
18:59:34 <Wodensday> Is this limited to tech? I heard a suggestion that it could also be for things like policy
18:59:53 <yari> It's not tech limited! We could absolutely do a policy hack-a-thon
19:00:07 <yari> In fact that was one proposal, and a very good one
19:00:23 <yari> platform hackathon
19:00:35 <Wodensday> (That way it's technically getting work done)
19:01:13 <Wodensday> How about we have some discussion?
19:02:03 <yari> I feel like this could easily be thrown to a discovery committee
19:02:08 <DreadPirateDrew> Interested, although I am not exactly sure what we are talking about.  Is this something we can circle back to on one of the jitsi meetings and have a pitch?
19:02:27 <Jester> I'd be into it, though I do think we should try and broadcast it to various tech communities in order to drive traffic and discussion. Though it may also be good to have some of the more programming experienced members of our party host workshops or something for people who want to learn coding.
19:02:57 <yari> I guess I'm curious if it would be better to do a policy hackathon or a code hackathon
19:03:10 <yari> or something else
19:04:06 <Wodensday> I think it should further the party in some way other than exposure, if it's purely community building then that's something we would hand off to a team that we do not have.
19:04:39 <yari> aka: policy hackathon first and then the code one further down the road
19:04:40 <yari> ?
19:05:00 <DreadPirateDrew> How would a policy hackathon work?
19:05:51 <Wodensday> I don't think we as the PNC should directly devote our time and attention to something just for fun, as evil as I sound saying that.
19:06:13 <yari> Drew - I'm not entirely sure.
19:06:24 <Wodensday> It should further our party infrastructure, wants, or goals
19:06:39 <yari> I'm going to move that we throw this issue to a discovery committee
19:06:39 <brianna> I’m not quite sure what a hackathon consists of, but I would imagine that such events would generate interest and possibly help us grow
19:06:50 <DreadPirateDrew> A Pirate Policy summit would be cool.  We have some speakers, some roundtable discussions, ect, post to youtube
19:07:08 <Wodensday> We have a motion on the table.
19:07:11 <Wodensday> Any seconds?
19:07:18 <yari> Drew - that's essentially what my understanding of it would be. a summit at which the policy would be made as well
19:08:01 <yari> brianna, there is a fair bit of hackathon documentation online. it's essentially a creator's summit, where a bunch of people get together to make things
19:08:28 <Wodensday> Last call for seconds to Yari's motion
19:08:41 <DreadPirateDrew> Can you restate the motion ?
19:08:53 <Wodensday> yari 21:06:53
19:08:53 <Wodensday> I'm going to move that we throw this issue to a discovery committee
19:09:23 <yari> When I'm suggesting that we throw it to a discovery committee, I mean that I would like it to be discussed by a small group of volunteers selected rn who then come back to us with a motion or proposal
19:09:34 <yari> that is the definition of a discovery committee
19:09:44 <DreadPirateDrew> I will second
19:09:47 <Jester> I'll second that
19:09:50 <yari> cool
19:09:58 <Wodensday> Any discussion, debate, or objection?
19:10:13 <Ethan> I gotta run folks , have a good week y'all
19:10:14 <yari> I think the main issue before voting would just be: who is on the committee
19:10:20 <Wodensday> See ya Ethan!
19:10:29 <yari> I will volunteer myself for one spot, but there should be others
19:10:35 <Wodensday> Attendance goes down to IN, IL, CA, PA
19:10:48 <yari> We have the KY backup - Mariah-Lynne
19:11:00 <Wodensday> If she is interested in voting.
19:11:02 <DreadPirateDrew> No objection
19:11:12 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
19:11:21 <yari> KY secondary, sorry - 'backup' feels a bit demeaning, I think
19:11:24 <Wodensday> I will take that as a yes.
19:11:48 <Wodensday> Current issue is discuss, mainly who will be on this discovery committee.
19:12:06 <yari> I ask for any volunteers to help me
19:12:06 <Wodensday> May I suggest Mississippi Mitch?
19:12:19 <Wodensday> That is a very cool nickname
19:12:28 <yari> that would be a lovely person to contact. I will talk to Mississippi Mitch
19:12:38 <yari> any chance I could get one other person?
19:13:09 <yari> -to help figure out the basic outline of a hackathon event that the PNC might put on
19:13:26 <Jester> I guess I'll volunteer. Might as well.
19:13:28 <Mariah-Lynne> I wouldn't know how to code.
19:13:38 <yari> Mariah-Lynne this is just for event planning.
19:13:52 <yari> coding not required to plan the event
19:14:00 <yari> Jester, thank you
19:14:08 <Jester> Yea no prob
19:14:30 <yari> Okay I have my team I'm happy
19:14:32 <Wodensday> Are there any objections to calling the question?
19:14:41 <yari> none
19:14:48 <DreadPirateDrew> no objection
19:14:51 <Jester> nope
19:14:53 <Mariah-Lynne> Would Mass Pirates have contacts with the Aaron Swartz hackathon that happens every year?
19:15:06 <yari> I will ask them
19:15:11 <yari> thank you for the note
19:15:20 <NomadOfNorad> no problems with it here, either, but I suspect my vote of confidence probably doesn't count.  :D
19:15:28 <Wodensday> All in favor of allowing Yari to establish this discovery committee?
19:15:30 <Mariah-Lynne> That's the only hackathon I can think of.
19:15:43 <yari> aye (for my own discovery committee)
19:15:48 <DreadPirateDrew> aye
19:15:54 <Jester> aye
19:16:08 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
19:16:09 <Wodensday> Pmchi, Mariah-Lynne
19:16:30 <pmchi> Aye
19:16:57 <Wodensday> Motion passes, committee set to discover discoveries.
19:16:58 <yari> motion to adjourn
19:17:06 <Wodensday> Motion to adjourn on the table
19:17:06 <DreadPirateDrew> second
19:17:12 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
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19:17:24 <Wodensday> Quick note - I think we shoul allow Brianna chance to give a PR report if they want to
19:17:46 <Wodensday> We didn't get to ask.
19:18:04 <yari> I can take brianna's report and put it in the notes separately, just as with the treasurer
19:18:06 brianna and Catmandom have quit
19:18:13 <yari> especially because of that
19:18:16 brianna has joined
19:18:37 <Wodensday> That sounds like a good plan.
19:18:47 <Wodensday> All in favor of adjourning?
19:18:51 <yari> aye
19:18:55 <DreadPirateDrew> aye
19:18:56 <Jester> aye
19:19:08 <Mariah-Lynne> aye
19:19:28 <Wodensday> pmchi
19:19:39 <pmchi> Aye
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19:19:51 <Wodensday> Meeting adjourned at 10:20 EDT
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