PNC 1/6/20

Agenda

• Discuss anti-war resolution

Reports

None.

Attending

• Bosun: Joseph T Klein Chair
• Sayyida: megan klein vice chair, wisconsin
• jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts

Non-Voting

• davidd

Summary

• Bosun will post a draft anti-Iran War/assassination statement to the sab list for review and approval
• Bosun will post a notice about moving the weekly IRC meetings to Wednesday, 10 - 10:30 EST starting the 15th
• jokeefe will update the #uspp IRC channel notice

Minutes

Record of the meeting

 


[9:00pm] jokeefe: ahoy
[9:01pm] Sayyida left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
[9:01pm] Bosun: Ahoy
[9:01pm] Sayyida joined the chat room.
[9:01pm] Sayyida: hmm
[9:01pm] Sayyida: got kicked off
[9:02pm] Bosun: The au server is burning up.
[9:03pm] Sayyida left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[9:03pm] jokeefe: try the french server
[9:04pm] Bosun: @jokeefe What are your thoughts on an anti Iran war statement?
[9:04pm] jokeefe: Assassination is wrong
[9:04pm] Bosun: What is the URL?
[9:05pm] jokeefe: The US war in the Middle East (and elsewhere) is wrong
[9:05pm] Bosun: Ok, I agree with your assignation statement. Agree.
[9:08pm] jokeefe: Updated meeting page - https://wiki.pirate-party.us/PNC_1/6/20
[9:08pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 1/6/20 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
[9:10pm] Bosun: Sayyida is stuck on a broken network.
[9:10pm] jokeefe: ok
[9:11pm] Bosun: Are you the only one from MA tonight?
[9:11pm] jokeefe: Guess so
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Malt cannot do Mondays
[9:12pm] jokeefe: Perhaps people needed a reminder.
[9:12pm] Bosun: OK do we need a different day?
[9:13pm] Bosun: Yes, I need to send reminders. Got that.
[9:13pm] jokeefe: I think Malt can only do Wednesdays, which is when we have the MA meeting
[9:14pm] jokeefe: So if you want to do 10-10:30
[9:14pm] Bosun: Ouch. Yah we can do that.
[9:15pm] Bosun: You mean EST/
[9:15pm] jokeefe: Yes
[9:16pm] Bosun: Not so bad. Nice that is 9 here. It makes it better for the west coast.
[9:16pm] jokeefe: True
[9:16pm] jokeefe: One long night is better than two nights
[9:16pm] jokeefe: IMHO
[9:17pm] Bosun: Can you edit the welcome's message and change it?
[9:17pm] jokeefe: Sure. Would be good to announce it on SAB as well.
[9:17pm] jokeefe: If you have a login for IRC, I can make you an admin
[9:18pm] Bosun: I will do that SAB.
[9:18pm] jokeefe: Thank you.
[9:18pm] Bosun: I think my IRC login expired.
[9:20pm] jokeefe: You can get it renewed at #opers based on https://pirateirc.net/contact.html
[9:20pm] papegaai: Title: Pirate IRC | Contact (at pirateirc.net)
[9:22pm] jokeefe: So how do you want to proceed on the Iran War statement?
[9:23pm] Bosun: I have references to the UN violation.
[9:23pm] jokeefe: Do you want to mail it to sab for comment and approval?
[9:24pm] davidd: https://download.wpsoftware.net/no-safe-harbor.pdf
[9:24pm] Bosun: I will put something up by evening tomorrow, maybe tonight. Need to find me references
[9:26pm] Bosun: Marcus Kesler artikel - yes,
[9:26pm] Bosun: Article.
[9:27pm] davidd: UN decleration of human rights is in there around 60% scrolldown
[9:27pm] jokeefe: Thanks, davidd
[9:27pm] davidd: was just reading though it today
[9:29pm] Bosun: The charter has a right to not be murdered by a state actor. It was not in the framework of war.
[9:31pm] jokeefe: We aren’t at war, so it looks relevant
[9:31pm] Bosun: Article 8 (2)
[9:31pm] davidd: the marcus kesler artciel could be uyseful too
[9:33pm] jokeefe: I thought Executive Order 12333’s prohibition on assassinations, though clearly it has been bended to apply to non-state people
[9:33pm] Bosun: Yeah. So impeach him (again).
[9:35pm] Bosun: You need to go back before WWII to find the assignation of a general by the US.
[9:36pm] jokeefe: Yamamoto was killed in a plane attack in 1943
[9:36pm] jokeefe: It wasn’t random, they had intel on his flight
[9:36pm] Bosun: OK I stand corrected,
[9:36pm] jokeefe: Still we were at war so not completely applicable
[9:36pm] Bosun: Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
[9:37pm] Bosun: -- UN Charter
[9:38pm] jokeefe: He is a general, so not considered a civilian
[9:38pm] jokeefe: s/is/was/g
[9:42pm] jokeefe: Do we have more to discuss?
[9:44pm] Bosun: No I think we update the notice to Wednesday - the 15th
[9:44pm] Bosun: 10 - 10:30 EST
[9:44pm] Bosun: Let's call it a night.
[9:45pm] jokeefe: good. will post the notes