Talk:Pirate Underground - Revision history

Lukas Kelly: /* Economic */

2012-11-21T06:03:07Z

Economic

Sacha: /* Asynchronous Policy Formation */

2012-11-20T01:39:05Z

Asynchronous Policy Formation

QuazarGuy: /* Policy */

2012-11-18T06:20:15Z

Policy

QuazarGuy: /* Asynchronous Meetings */

2012-11-18T05:26:10Z

Asynchronous Meetings

Lukas Kelly: /* Asynchronous Policy Formation */

2012-11-17T23:43:14Z

Asynchronous Policy Formation

Sacha: /* Policy */

2012-11-13T23:25:33Z

Policy

Sacha: /* Growth */

2012-11-13T23:20:22Z

Growth

Sacha: /* Pirate Underground= */

2012-11-13T23:18:36Z

Pirate Underground=

Lukas Kelly at 03:07, 13 November 2012

2012-11-13T03:07:27Z

Sacha at 23:15, 12 November 2012

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 ***I agree that our policies would be flexible. I think the nature of post-ideology would mean that we avoid staunch approaches and overly-comprehensive approaches. Perhaps, because economics is much more scientific than, say, social welfare, we should have a subcommittee within the policy committee devoted to economic research. While democracy and popular involvement are central to our values, economic policies should not be decided by the average person using "common sense". To be taken seriously, and to remain scientific, I feel that it's necessary to support everyone of our individual economic policies with legitimate studies. [[User: Lukas Kelly|Lukas Kelly]] Nov 12 2012
 ****There is research on how IP fits in with economics. Just have a look at the [[Library]]. Basically what's there is that IP hurts the economy and without it, the population's creativity would be free to compete, lowering prices and profits, thereby decreasing income disparity. While profits drop for individual companies, combined profit of all companies should increase. [http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/against.htm Against Intellectual Monopoly] is a detailed analysis. [[User:QuazarGuy|QuazarGuy]] ([[User talk:QuazarGuy|talk]]) 01:20, 18 November 2012 (EST)
 **I completely support having a subcommittee focused on that or at least (if we do not have enough people) using scientific evidence to create a policy. [[User: Sacha|Sacha]] Nov 13 2012

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 =Policy=
 *How would we even begin to establish the foundation of an economic policy? I don't think economics is something we should have a very set and specific stance on, but that's what the American populace wants to hear about at this point. Many people won't take our issues very seriously when the economy is their first priority and they will continue to support the candidates who have the economic answers they are looking for. In my opinion, a bottom-up/demand-side approach seems to fit our current values. Not only does it sort of parallel the grass-roots style of the party, but a distinct stance against trickle-down economics follows post-ideological meritocratic values and our general anti-corporatist stance. --[[User: Lukas Kelly|Lukas Kelly]] Nov 11 2012
 **I think that we need to look at how our ideals would play out in the economy. How would equality, meritocracy, and scientific reasoning play out especially. I also think that we can work on having flexible policies. [[User: Sacha|Sacha]] Nov 12 2012
 ***I agree that our policies would be flexible. I think the nature of post-ideology would mean that we avoid staunch approaches and overly-comprehensive approaches. Perhaps, because economics is much more scientific than, say, social welfare, we should have a subcommittee within the policy committee devoted to economic research. While democracy and popular involvement are central to our values, economic policies should not be decided by the average person using "common sense". To be taken seriously, and to remain scientific, I feel that it's necessary to support everyone of our individual economic policies with legitimate studies. [[User: Lukas Kelly|Lukas Kelly]] Nov 12 2012
 **I completely support having a subcommittee focused on that or at least (if we do not have enough people) using scientific evidence to create a policy. [[User: Sacha|Sacha]] Nov 13 2012
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 *How do we vote asynchronously using a wiki? We could go in and post votes right here. I will do that below in the policy section.  Please add a vote there, so we can see if it works. --[[User:Erixoltan|Erixoltan]] ([[User talk:Erixoltan|talk]])
 *Danger of cheating. We really need software for asynchronous meetings. If we post votes here, then someone could go in and change them. Someone could also go in and tamper with the discussion. In the meantime, we have to be on the honor system. --[[User:Erixoltan|Erixoltan]] ([[User talk:Erixoltan|talk]])
 *We could use the forums or another site for voting. I think that it is best to use multiple modes of discussion. I don't think we need to trap ourselves into one system. [[User: Sacha|Sacha]] Nov 12 2012
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	Therefore I propose that as a temporary measure, we put votes directly in the wiki discussion page, and are on the honor system not to edit them. Until we have better software. All in favor place an "aye" vote below, preceded by "*", and sign it. --[[User:Erixoltan\|Erixoltan]] ([[User talk:Erixoltan\|talk]])		Therefore I propose that as a temporary measure, we put votes directly in the wiki discussion page, and are on the honor system not to edit them. Until we have better software. All in favor place an "aye" vote below, preceded by "*", and sign it. --[[User:Erixoltan\|Erixoltan]] ([[User talk:Erixoltan\|talk]])
	***aye--[[User:Erixoltan\|Erixoltan]] ([[User talk:Erixoltan\|talk]])		***aye--[[User:Erixoltan\|Erixoltan]] ([[User talk:Erixoltan\|talk]])
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	**I think that we need to look at how our ideals would play out in the economy. How would equality, meritocracy, and scientific reasoning play out especially. I also think that we can work on having flexible policies. [[User: Sacha\|Sacha]] Nov 12 2012		**I think that we need to look at how our ideals would play out in the economy. How would equality, meritocracy, and scientific reasoning play out especially. I also think that we can work on having flexible policies. [[User: Sacha\|Sacha]] Nov 12 2012
	***I agree that our policies would be flexible. I think the nature of post-ideology would mean that we avoid staunch approaches and overly-comprehensive approaches. Perhaps, because economics is much more scientific than, say, social welfare, we should have a subcommittee within the policy committee devoted to economic research. While democracy and popular involvement are central to our values, economic policies should not be decided by the average person using "common sense". To be taken seriously, and to remain scientific, I feel that it's necessary to support everyone of our individual economic policies with legitimate studies. [[User: Lukas Kelly\|Lukas Kelly]] Nov 12 2012		***I agree that our policies would be flexible. I think the nature of post-ideology would mean that we avoid staunch approaches and overly-comprehensive approaches. Perhaps, because economics is much more scientific than, say, social welfare, we should have a subcommittee within the policy committee devoted to economic research. While democracy and popular involvement are central to our values, economic policies should not be decided by the average person using "common sense". To be taken seriously, and to remain scientific, I feel that it's necessary to support everyone of our individual economic policies with legitimate studies. [[User: Lukas Kelly\|Lukas Kelly]] Nov 12 2012
		+	**I completely support having a subcommittee focused on that or at least (if we do not have enough people) using scientific evidence to create a policy. [[User: Sacha\|Sacha]] Nov 13 2012

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 ** My suggestion would be to target potential pirates who are in states without active parties or talk of establishing a party. If we can get the list of those who signed up to hear from the website when there were enough people who wanted to establish a party, or if we can get some sort of advertisement on the USPP website, that could help. --[[User: Lukas Kelly|Lukas Kelly]] Nov 11 2012
 * Look at this. [http://piratetimes.net/a-weekend-in-paris-the-extraordinary-assembly-of-the-french-pirates-2012/ French Pirate Revolution] [[User:QuazarGuy|QuazarGuy]] ([[User talk:QuazarGuy|talk]]) 16:27, 10 November 2012 (EST)
-***I think that what Lukas said is a good idea. I'm helping to make the new website and I want to have a get involved space which discusses active committees. I think we can put something there for sure. I also think a big thing will just be getting results. If we are able to work more fairly, more true to our values, and more efficiently than the PNC then we will simply come to replace them. So basically results
+**I think that what Lukas said is a good idea. I'm helping to make the new website and I want to have a get involved space which discusses active committees. I think we can put something there for sure. I also think a big thing will just be getting results. If we are able to work more fairly, more true to our values, and more efficiently than the PNC then we will simply come to replace them. So basically results
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 ** We should start with a narrow focus and widen it later. Priorities include asynchronous meetings, policy formation and attracting more people to this effort. --[[User:Erixoltan|Erixoltan]] ([[User talk:Erixoltan|talk]])
 *I added a theory section and I think that exploring our values and what it means to be the pirate party needs to be an emphasis at some point. I do not think that the USPP understands what our approach to the government or party politics is so people are confused. [[User: Sacha|Sacha]] 12 November 2012
 =Asynchronous Meetings=