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 * Bosun filed the Biannual report for the DC cooperative association. Fee was $180.
-* discussion of forming an outreach group
+** Bosun will get the next date filing
 ** decide who will lead it
 ** ask for them to meet and report back in a week

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 == Attending ==
 * Sayyida: Megan Klein Vice chair
 * jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Massachusetts, Party Secretary
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 === Non-Voting ===
 * yari: Rose Klein, California
+* HIPP: Esme Dudoit
 == Summary ==
 * Bosun filed the Biannual report for the DC cooperative association. Fee was $180.
 ==Minutes==

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	[9:59pm] yari: sorry		[9:59pm] yari: sorry
	[9:59pm] kusanagi: I think we should also start making the move to discord		[9:59pm] kusanagi: I think we should also start making the move to discord
		+	[9:59pm] kusanagi: because that's a bit more friendyl
		+	[9:59pm] Bosun: ajourned, please post the minutes.

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	[9:56pm] HIPP: That’s fine.		[9:56pm] HIPP: That’s fine.
	[9:56pm] Bosun: Only jokeefe and Sayyida are recognized for motions.		[9:56pm] Bosun: Only jokeefe and Sayyida are recognized for motions.
		+	[9:56pm] HIPP: not the motion. The time taken to the examine my tweets
		+	[9:56pm] Pirate_17609 left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
		+	[9:56pm] HIPP: esme Dudoit
		+	[9:57pm] Sayyida: second motion to table
		+	[9:57pm] Bosun: If we table we take it up next week.
		+	[9:57pm] Pirate_66913: I am not Bosun?
		+	[9:57pm] Bosun: vote to table?
		+	[9:57pm] jokeefe: aye
		+	[9:57pm] Bosun: vote please
		+	[9:57pm] HIPP: I will be here next week
		+	[9:57pm] Sayyida: aye
		+	[9:57pm] Pirate_66913: Aye
		+	[9:57pm] kusanagi: I'm not sure if I can be here next week, due to schedule, but I have a few things that should be looked over.
		+	[9:58pm] Bosun: ok , chair will hear a motion to adjourn
		+	[9:58pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
		+	[9:58pm] jokeefe: 2nd
		+	[9:58pm] Bosun: any objections?
		+	[9:58pm] Pirate_66913: Motion to adjourn
		+	[9:58pm] yari: Pirate_66913 we cannot vote or propose motions
		+	[9:58pm] yari: We are observer states, not voting states
		+	[9:58pm] kusanagi: yari, that's Joe O of MA
		+	[9:58pm] Pirate_66913: I am the mass rep and Treasurer...
		+	[9:58pm] jokeefe: no objections
		+	[9:58pm] yari: OHHHH
		+	[9:58pm] HIPP: im esme
		+	[9:58pm] yari: My bad
		+	[9:58pm] kusanagi: he didn't reID
		+	[9:58pm] yari: AHHHH
		+	[9:58pm] kusanagi: it happens
		+	[9:58pm] yari: My bad
		+	[9:58pm] kusanagi: you're goood
		+	[9:59pm] jokeefe: freaking IRC
		+	[9:59pm] yari: sorry
		+	[9:59pm] kusanagi: I think we should also start making the move to discord

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	[9:53pm] Joe left the chat room. (Client Quit)		[9:53pm] Joe left the chat room. (Client Quit)
	[9:53pm] yari: We are over time		[9:53pm] yari: We are over time
		+	[9:54pm] kusanagi: And that makes it okay to harass her? Say her deadname? Claim she's using her ""transgender"" status?
		+	[9:54pm] Pirate_66913 joined the chat room.
		+	[9:54pm] Pirate_66913: <----Joe
		+	[9:54pm] kusanagi: ty
		+	[9:54pm] yari: We are over time
		+	[9:54pm] kusanagi: We are
		+	[9:54pm] kusanagi: WI, MA..
		+	[9:54pm] Sayyida: motion to adjourn
		+	[9:54pm] yari: Can we please get a motion to table
		+	[9:54pm] jokeefe: Motion to table this discussion until all involved parties can discuss the issues raised and come to a resolution on it.
		+	[9:55pm] yari: second
		+	[9:55pm] Bosun: We jave a move to adjourn
		+	[9:55pm] Pirate_66913: Bosun, can you moderate over email?
		+	[9:55pm] kusanagi: Okay, cool.
		+	[9:55pm] Pirate_66913: Motion to adjourn
		+	[9:55pm] jokeefe: will vote for adjourn after vote for table
		+	[9:55pm] HIPP joined the chat room.
		+	[9:56pm] HIPP: That’s fine.
		+	[9:56pm] Bosun: Only jokeefe and Sayyida are recognized for motions.

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	[9:51pm] Pirate_17609: i would like to read them		[9:51pm] Pirate_17609: i would like to read them
	[9:51pm] Bosun: Can we agree to come to a resolution next week?		[9:51pm] Bosun: Can we agree to come to a resolution next week?
		+	[9:51pm] yari: bosun could you call for a motion to table
		+	[9:51pm] kusanagi: Threating to use a DDoS: http://archive.is/z20QY
		+	[9:52pm] kusanagi: see here: http://archive.is/XtxC7
		+	[9:52pm] Joe: Esme, the notes are always posted
		+	[9:52pm] kusanagi: another post about Emma Best: http://archive.is/R3dD1
		+	[9:52pm] yari: All of the meeting is posted to the website
		+	[9:52pm] yari: Its public, that's why we identify
		+	[9:52pm] Pirate_17609: Thank you.
		+	[9:52pm] yari: Transparency - part of the pirate philosophy
		+	[9:53pm] Pirate_17609: Emma Best was a close online friend
		+	[9:53pm] Joe: ^
		+	[9:53pm] Joe left the chat room. (Client Quit)
		+	[9:53pm] yari: We are over time

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	[9:49pm] kusanagi: yari, go for it		[9:49pm] kusanagi: yari, go for it
	[9:49pm] Pirate_17609: I’m still here		[9:49pm] Pirate_17609: I’m still here
		+	[9:49pm] yari: Okay so can we please table this for another time
		+	[9:49pm] yari: Because this is important
		+	[9:50pm] yari: because its not going to be resolved right now
		+	[9:50pm] jokeefe: I agree
		+	[9:50pm] yari: But we need to resolve it
		+	[9:50pm] kusanagi: yeah, most assuredly
		+	[9:50pm] yari: and also to give the rest of us
		+	[9:50pm] yari: Time to read the stuff you've presented, kusanagi
		+	[9:50pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
		+	[9:50pm] kusanagi: absolutely
		+	[9:50pm] yari: Because I didn't click on more than like - one link
		+	[9:50pm] Joe joined the chat room.
		+	[9:51pm] kusanagi: yeah, it's fine
		+	[9:51pm] Pirate_17609: can anyone repost the links please?
		+	[9:51pm] Pirate_17609: i would like to read them
		+	[9:51pm] Bosun: Can we agree to come to a resolution next week?

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	[9:36pm] Bosun: Yes		[9:36pm] Bosun: Yes
	[9:36pm] kusanagi: Especially since it's on the site, the discord		[9:36pm] kusanagi: Especially since it's on the site, the discord
		+	[9:36pm] yari: Hopefully~
		+	[9:36pm] Sayyida: the thing i wrote so yea id hope
		+	[9:36pm] kusanagi: WE wrote.
		+	[9:37pm] Bosun: We approved
		+	[9:37pm] kusanagi: (and also borrowed from HOPE a bit)
		+	[9:37pm] Sayyida: hahaha i know
		+	[9:37pm] kusanagi: lol
		+	[9:37pm] Sayyida: oh yea we did just a "BIT"
		+	[9:37pm] kusanagi: I have information that shows that Esme, HIPP, has a history of harassment, including of trans people
		+	[9:38pm] HIPP: i was not aware I had such a history
		+	[9:38pm] kusanagi: see here: http://archive.is/XtxC7
		+	[9:38pm] kusanagi: Emma Best is trans, and in that tweet Esme deadnamed her.
		+	[9:39pm] kusanagi: https://twitter.com/PiratePartyINT/status/1065385343841558528 direct link to tweet
		+	[9:39pm] Sayyida: HIPP, is there some explaination for this?
		+	[9:40pm] Esme joined the chat room.
		+	[9:40pm] kusanagi: There is also a history of threats and other harrassment
		+	[9:40pm] HIPP left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
		+	[9:40pm] Sayyida: Esme, same question.
		+	[9:40pm] kusanagi: https://twitter.com/PiratePartyINT/status/1065334702414880769
		+	[9:40pm] kusanagi: For example
		+	[9:40pm] Sayyida: is there an explaination?
		+	[9:40pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
		+	[9:40pm] yari: Hangon ...
		+	[9:40pm] Esme: I missed the question sorry
		+	[9:40pm] Joe joined the chat room.
		+	[9:41pm] Sayyida: is there an explaination of deadnaming someone?
		+	[9:41pm] kusanagi: More recently, there was some attacks on Bailey Lemon, current PPI chair, but those tweets from Esme were deleted. You can still see the responses though
		+	[9:42pm] Hawaii joined the chat room.
		+	[9:42pm] Hawaii: Ok I’m back
		+	[9:42pm] Sayyida: I am speechless
		+	[9:42pm] Hawaii: can you please catch me up
		+	[9:42pm] Hawaii: I can’t see the links
		+	[9:42pm] kusanagi: You can see the thread here, with the tweets Bailey was replying to deleted, however, it shows they were in response to Esme: https://twitter.com/UptheCypherPunx/status/1283770274249310208
		+	[9:43pm] Esme left the chat room. (Client Quit)
		+	[9:43pm] Hawaii: I saw history of harassment of trans
		+	[9:43pm] Hawaii: I was the victim of harassment
		+	[9:43pm] kusanagi: Deadnaming is unacceptable here.
		+	[9:44pm] Hawaii: I was a PPI admin and came in when it was new admins
		+	[9:44pm] Sayyida: How? what I see in this list is deadnaming someone
		+	[9:44pm] Sayyida: you were a ppi admin???/
		+	[9:44pm] kusanagi: PPI doesn't matter here. USPP has never been a part of PPI.
		+	[9:44pm] Hawaii: yes, I was a PPI contributor under ray as an admin
		+	[9:44pm] Sayyida: why would you deadname someone?
		+	[9:44pm] kusanagi: Threating to use a DDoS: http://archive.is/z20QY
		+	[9:45pm] Pirate_17609 joined the chat room.
		+	[9:45pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
		+	[9:45pm] Sayyida: threatening to ddos? isn't that illegal?
		+	[9:45pm] Sayyida: the act that is
		+	[9:45pm] Joe joined the chat room.
		+	[9:45pm] Pirate_17609: I was not threatening them it was a joking thread
		+	[9:46pm] kusanagi: That is not a joke.
		+	[9:46pm] Sayyida: NO
		+	[9:46pm] Joe: I didn't see that as a threat of Ddos either.
		+	[9:46pm] Pirate_17609: i did not dead name Emma. I left Twitter and did not know
		+	[9:46pm] Hawaii left the chat room. (Client Quit)
		+	[9:46pm] kusanagi: It's there. In the tweet. In parens.
		+	[9:46pm] Pirate_17609: what they threatened to do to me was severe but it was taken jokingly
		+	[9:46pm] jokeefe: Pirate_17609 - Please stop changing your handle. Pick one
		+	[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: I’m trying to but I keep getting knocked off irc
		+	[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: im sorry
		+	[9:47pm] kusanagi: You cannot - especially as a public person - make jokes like that
		+	[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: it’s Esme of HIPP
		+	[9:47pm] jokeefe: thanks for clarifying
		+	[9:47pm] kusanagi: It is flatly unacceptable.
		+	[9:47pm] Pirate_17609: I understand ofc I would not do that now
		+	[9:47pm] Sayyida: this was intended. you clearly had an issue with his person.
		+	[9:48pm] Pirate_17609: i felt uncomfortable so I made a ddos joke
		+	[9:48pm] kusanagi: That's not an excuse.
		+	[9:48pm] Sayyida: thats not a "joke"
		+	[9:48pm] Sayyida: there was no line up or joke abou tit
		+	[9:48pm] Sayyida: about it*
		+	[9:48pm] Pirate_17609: she was actually someone I once loved very much & was close to
		+	[9:48pm] yari: Okay, um - the behavior listed is unacceptable, clearly.
		+	[9:48pm] yari: But can we pause for a second
		+	[9:48pm] Bosun: yes
		+	[9:48pm] yari: please
		+	[9:48pm] jokeefe: We aren’t going to get to the root of this issue in 2 minutes
		+	[9:48pm] Pirate_17609: i can’t see the ddos thread but I would never ddos anyine
		+	[9:48pm] yari: 2 minutes
		+	[9:48pm] yari: Literally 2 minutes
		+	[9:49pm] kusanagi: yari, go for it
		+	[9:49pm] Pirate_17609: I’m still here
		+

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	[9:28pm] kusanagi: That's possible		[9:28pm] kusanagi: That's possible
	[9:28pm] HIPP: re: outreach		[9:28pm] HIPP: re: outreach
		+	[9:29pm] yari: I feel like whichever group we create should have a person who is an actual voting member though as part of it
		+	[9:29pm] Sayyida: motion for extention
		+	[9:29pm] kusanagi: yari, that's a fair point and I agree.
		+	[9:29pm] HIPP: agreed, yari
		+	[9:29pm] Joe: Do we still have access to our email addresses from SAB?
		+	[9:29pm] Sayyida: we have 1 minute left,
		+	[9:29pm] Sayyida: are we going to extend?
		+	[9:30pm] jokeefe: yes, Joe
		+	[9:30pm] yari: Second?
		+	[9:30pm] yari: Am I allowed to second?
		+	[9:30pm] Joe: 2nd
		+	[9:30pm] jokeefe: 2nd
		+	[9:30pm] kusanagi: for this is fine
		+	[9:30pm] kusanagi: i don't know how strict you keep it
		+	[9:30pm] Sayyida: thanks jokeefe
		+	[9:30pm] kusanagi: lopl
		+	[9:30pm] Bosun: ok extend for 20?
		+	[9:31pm] Sayyida: aye
		+	[9:31pm] jokeefe: For the purpose of discussing the formation of an outreach group? aye
		+	[9:31pm] Bosun: passes
		+	[9:31pm] yari: lovely
		+	[9:31pm] HIPP: great
		+	[9:32pm] jokeefe: 1) form an outreach group?
		+	[9:32pm] jokeefe: 2) decide who will lead it?
		+	[9:32pm] jokeefe: 3) ask for them to meet and report back in a week?
		+	[9:33pm] yari: Until we have enough members that all committees are formed of only voting members, I think all groups should have a voting member on them
		+	[9:33pm] yari: Jokeefe - agreed on all points
		+	[9:34pm] jokeefe: I am happy to participate, but since this is the forum to review the report and decide what to do, I am less worried about non-state reps. composing it.
		+	[9:34pm] kusanagi: Currently, do we have recognition on CA and HI?
		+	[9:34pm] jokeefe: the committee that is
		+	[9:34pm] jokeefe: no
		+	[9:34pm] Joe left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
		+	[9:34pm] Joe joined the chat room.
		+	[9:34pm] jokeefe: just people willing to organized and due stuff
		+	[9:35pm] Joe: What f
		+	[9:35pm] Bosun: do?
		+	[9:35pm] HIPP: we’re here for you
		+	[9:35pm] Joe: What states are currently recognized?
		+	[9:35pm] yari: MA and WI
		+	[9:35pm] kusanagi: Right, so unfortunately I have a concern about that.
		+	[9:35pm] Joe: Sorry, baby on my face.
		+	[9:35pm] Sayyida: lol baby face
		+	[9:36pm] kusanagi: lol
		+	[9:36pm] HIPP: lol
		+	[9:36pm] Joe: I wish I was joking.
		+	[9:36pm] kusanagi: I assume anyone looking to come in would be familiar with our code of conduct
		+	[9:36pm] Bosun: Yes
		+	[9:36pm] kusanagi: Especially since it's on the site, the discord