PNC 11/25/19 - Revision history

Jokeefe at 03:51, 26 November 2019

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 * MA - abstain
-Motion passed.  kusanagi now Chair, sayyida
+Motion passed.  kusanagi now Chair with sayyida as Vice-Chair and Quartermaster. They are tasked with organizing new elections and no other motion shall come before the PNC until new Officers are selected.
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 Pirate_Joe gave the following statement:
+  <nowiki>
 My long term goal is to be in office as a Pirate. I do not plan to be Captain for more than a year, but will hold the post as long as it is asked of me and I know that I can be useful to it.  I had chosen this party because they are not Republicans nor Democrats.  Pirates are not left nor right.  The goals could better be likened to that of the love child of the anarchist and constitutionalist.  We do not ask for transparency, we demand it.  That is why I had no objection to Liz’s demand to keep all dialog public for all to see.  That is why I speak to you here and now. That is why I am a Pirate.
 I have long studied different systems by which we have ruled ourselves and how each one has failed in turn.  The only system that has ever worked is when those that have authority are accountable and never hold that authority for long.  We need to end the secret councils, we need to end the corporate wall.  That is why I am a Pirate.
 I know that we each have some ideal that is true for each one of us. Each one of us matters in a way that is very difficult to articulate but very easy to feel.  Each one of us has to recognize the importance of individual autonomy.  All laws should not take away that which I choose for myself.  Laws should be off my body.  That is why I am a Pirate.
 We are the ones whom have worked pulling people together and I will be honored to continue to work to streamline, innovate and make everyplace we go a better place for all. I am proud to be a Pirate.
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	== Summary ==		== Summary ==

		+	Pirate_Joe gave the following statement:


		+	My long term goal is to be in office as a Pirate. I do not plan to be Captain for more than a year, but will hold the post as long as it is asked of me and I know that I can be useful to it. I had chosen this party because they are not Republicans nor Democrats. Pirates are not left nor right. The goals could better be likened to that of the love child of the anarchist and constitutionalist. We do not ask for transparency, we demand it. That is why I had no objection to Liz’s demand to keep all dialog public for all to see. That is why I speak to you here and now. That is why I am a Pirate.
		+	I have long studied different systems by which we have ruled ourselves and how each one has failed in turn. The only system that has ever worked is when those that have authority are accountable and never hold that authority for long. We need to end the secret councils, we need to end the corporate wall. That is why I am a Pirate.
		+	I know that we each have some ideal that is true for each one of us. Each one of us matters in a way that is very difficult to articulate but very easy to feel. Each one of us has to recognize the importance of individual autonomy. All laws should not take away that which I choose for myself. Laws should be off my body. That is why I am a Pirate.
		+	We are the ones whom have worked pulling people together and I will be honored to continue to work to streamline, innovate and make everyplace we go a better place for all. I am proud to be a Pirate.

	==Minutes==		==Minutes==

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−	~~=== Discussion ===~~
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−	My long term goal is to be in office as a Pirate. I do not plan to be Captain for more than a year, but will hold the post as long as it is asked of me and I know that I can be useful to it. I had chosen this party because they are not Republicans nor Democrats. Pirates are not left nor right. The goals could better be likened to that of the love child of the anarchist and constitutionalist. We do not ask for transparency, we demand it. That is why I had no objection to Liz’s demand to keep all dialog public for all to see. That is why I speak to you here and now. That is why I am a Pirate.
−	I have long studied different systems by which we have ruled ourselves and how each one has failed in turn. The only system that has ever worked is when those that have authority are accountable and never hold that authority for long. We need to end the secret councils, we need to end the corporate wall. That is why I am a Pirate.
−	I know that we each have some ideal that is true for each one of us. Each one of us matters in a way that is very difficult to articulate but very easy to feel. Each one of us has to recognize the importance of individual autonomy. All laws should not take away that which I choose for myself. Laws should be off my body. That is why I am a Pirate.
−	~~We are the ones whom have worked pulling people together and I will be honored to continue to work to streamline, innovate and make everyplace we go a better place for all. I am proud to be a Pirate.~~

	=== Decision ===		=== Decision ===

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 * sayyida: Megan Klein WI
 * jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Scribe, MA (voting for MA)
 == Summary ==

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 == Attending ==
+* Joseph Klein, WI (voting for WI)
+* OGPAF: Johann Drolshagen, Webmaster, California
 == Summary ==

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 == Agenda ==
 # Website & Taxonomy
 # Supporting local and state chapters
 # Other platforms for our meetings and publicly sharing this content quickly
 === Reports ===
 My long term goal is to be in office as a Pirate. I do not plan to be Captain for more than a year, but will hold the post as long as it is asked of me and I know that I can be useful to it.  I had chosen this party because they are not Republicans nor Democrats.  Pirates are not left nor right.  The goals could better be likened to that of the love child of the anarchist and constitutionalist.  We do not ask for transparency, we demand it.  That is why I had no objection to Liz’s demand to keep all dialog public for all to see.  That is why I speak to you here and now. That is why I am a Pirate.
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 I know that we each have some ideal that is true for each one of us. Each one of us matters in a way that is very difficult to articulate but very easy to feel.  Each one of us has to recognize the importance of individual autonomy.  All laws should not take away that which I choose for myself.  Laws should be off my body.  That is why I am a Pirate.
 We are the ones whom have worked pulling people together and I will be honored to continue to work to streamline, innovate and make everyplace we go a better place for all. I am proud to be a Pirate.
 == Attending ==

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	[10:21pm] kusanagi: oh no, that's "as necessary"		[10:21pm] kusanagi: oh no, that's "as necessary"
	[10:21pm] kusanagi: yeah		[10:21pm] kusanagi: yeah
		+	[10:22pm] roarde joined the chat room.
		+	[10:23pm] kusanagi: SAB email going out now.
		+	[10:23pm] kusanagi: I'll make a list of a few other things that definitely need to be done, and hopefully over the next week we can get nominations in.
		+	[10:23pm] bosun: It is done. Cool.
		+	[10:23pm] JarodSmithGeorgia left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
		+	[10:23pm] sayyida: ok.
		+	[10:24pm] sayyida: can we please conclude this meeting?
		+	[10:24pm] kusanagi: yes
		+	[10:24pm] bosun: Ask the acting chair
		+	[10:24pm] kusanagi: Motion to close?
		+	[10:24pm] sayyida: second
		+	[10:25pm] bosun: someone say aye and we are out
		+	[10:25pm] jokeefe: aye - transcript posted
		+	[10:25pm] kusanagi: thank you kindly jokeefe

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	[10:13pm] sayyida: vote in 3 weeks		[10:13pm] sayyida: vote in 3 weeks
	[10:13pm] kusanagi: 2 weeks		[10:13pm] kusanagi: 2 weeks
		+	[10:13pm] sayyida: sooner the better kusanagi
		+	[10:13pm] bosun: I like two
		+	[10:13pm] sayyida: nods
		+	[10:13pm] bosun: Announce iot on SAB tonight
		+	[10:13pm] kusanagi: I'm working on that now.
		+	[10:13pm] bosun: it
		+	[10:14pm] sayyida: thanks kusanagi
		+	[10:14pm] kusanagi: no worries
		+	[10:14pm] bosun: Poke the PPI leaders list as well.
		+	[10:14pm] jokeefe: So what is being proposed?
		+	[10:15pm] kusanagi: PPI list has.. uh.. issues.
		+	[10:15pm] Pirate_Joe: There is one point I would like to make though
		+	[10:15pm] K`Tetch: shudder the ppi list
		+	[10:15pm] jokeefe: We aren’t part of PPI
		+	[10:15pm] bosun: just tom inform others, not a holy edict for gods sake.
		+	[10:16pm] K`Tetch: 'but inform them of what?
		+	[10:16pm] jokeefe: Removing the board in a vote of no confidence over one officer is suboptimal
		+	[10:16pm] kusanagi: No, PPI list is really spammy and the only thing that comes from it is trolling.
		+	[10:16pm] bosun: We are having an election.
		+	[10:16pm] bosun: OK not them - i don't want to argue
		+	[10:16pm] kusanagi: I can inform PPI board if you'd like?
		+	[10:16pm] sayyida: jokeefe: it was to remove a threat and to figure out how to patch the hole
		+	[10:17pm] sayyida: inform the ppi board
		+	[10:17pm] Pirate_Joe: I had a year long plan that I now am going to scrap. I hope you understand this.
		+	[10:17pm] sayyida: Pirate_Joe: run against me then
		+	[10:17pm] jokeefe: Then remove the officer(s), not the whole board
		+	[10:17pm] bosun: propose it
		+	[10:17pm] kusanagi: You still have the option of proposal
		+	[10:17pm] Pirate_Joe: Sayyida, I like you too much.
		+	[10:17pm] K`Tetch: there's no mechanism to do that any more
		+	[10:17pm] jokeefe: I will bosun
		+	[10:17pm] sayyida: our bylaws required an all or nothing
		+	[10:17pm] sayyida: we had this issue with lucia
		+	[10:18pm] sayyida: she resigned
		+	[10:18pm] sayyida: johann would not judging from his temper and for lack of a better word insanity
		+	[10:18pm] Pirate_Joe: Besides, if you feel that your time is now, then I will support you. I did before but you had health issues.
		+	[10:18pm] bosun: after you ground her up and spit her out.
		+	[10:19pm] jokeefe: Going forward, what is being proposed for the election of new officers?
		+	[10:19pm] kusanagi: So okay - I need a few things
		+	[10:19pm] sayyida: noms in by monday next week vote in 2wks from today
		+	[10:19pm] kusanagi: I will write that
		+	[10:19pm] sayyida: same time same batchannel
		+	[10:19pm] kusanagi: I need the positional available
		+	[10:19pm] bosun: yes
		+	[10:20pm] kusanagi: if someone can link it again because it's deep
		+	[10:20pm] jokeefe: https://wiki.pirate-party.us/PNC_09/09/19
		+	[10:20pm] bosun: copy from the posted bylaws
		+	[10:20pm] papegaai: Title: PNC 09/09/19 - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
		+	[10:20pm] kusanagi: Okay
		+	[10:21pm] kusanagi: There's also a mention of assistants getting elected?
		+	[10:21pm] jokeefe: “The PNC shall elect assistants to all officers” if they are available
		+	[10:21pm] kusanagi: oh no, that's "as necessary"
		+	[10:21pm] kusanagi: yeah

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	[10:04pm] K`Tetch: I nominate jokeefe to be acting chair		[10:04pm] K`Tetch: I nominate jokeefe to be acting chair
	[10:04pm] kusanagi: That sounds fine by me - I don't want to rush things, but at the same time, I'd like temp chair to be a position I hold... temporarily.		[10:04pm] kusanagi: That sounds fine by me - I don't want to rush things, but at the same time, I'd like temp chair to be a position I hold... temporarily.
		+	[10:05pm] Pirate_Joe: And I am on that bank account. I can remove that account if you want.
		+	[10:05pm] sayyida: thats fine by me kusanagi
		+	[10:05pm] jokeefe: Fair point bosun
		+	[10:05pm] Pirate_Joe: kusanagi, do you intend to take over chair?
		+	[10:06pm] JarodSmithGeorgia joined the chat room.
		+	[10:06pm] kusanagi: Bylaws state "The Representative who motioned for the No Confidence measure shall act as Temporary Captain, and the Representative who seconded it shall act as Temporary First Officer and Quartermaster."
		+	[10:06pm] jokeefe: I will perform whatever task I am asked to perform
		+	[10:06pm] kusanagi: They also call for an immediate election.
		+	[10:06pm] OGPAF left the chat room. (Quit: https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
		+	[10:06pm] Pirate_Joe: I understand that point kusanagi.
		+	[10:06pm] jokeefe: Not like we haven’t had elected people for a short duration
		+	[10:07pm] sayyida: haha jokeefe true
		+	[10:07pm] jokeefe: s/haven’t had/haven’t/g
		+	[10:07pm] Pirate_Joe: I was asking if you would be returning to the council?
		+	[10:07pm] kusanagi: Oh.
		+	[10:07pm] sayyida: I want to take the chair
		+	[10:07pm] kusanagi: I don't want to return as chair. I have given a lot of my time to the Pirates, and I'm almost done with school. My degree's done next year. I need to focus there.
		+	[10:08pm] sayyida: nods
		+	[10:08pm] kusanagi: That said, if there's an advisory position available, I'd be very happy to have it and help.
		+	[10:08pm] bosun: immediate is a relative term
		+	[10:08pm] Pirate_Joe: What about a less stressful position?
		+	[10:08pm] Pirate_Joe: Like beancounter
		+	[10:08pm] kusanagi: I can't necessarily commit to making meetings.
		+	[10:08pm] Pirate_Joe: Sayyida, I am sure you will get many votes.
		+	[10:08pm] kusanagi: And... I thought we did away with the cute names?
		+	[10:09pm] bosun: beans
		+	[10:09pm] jokeefe: nope
		+	[10:09pm] Pirate_Joe: The cute names are popular.
		+	[10:09pm] kusanagi: They're also inaccurate.
		+	[10:09pm] jokeefe: we use both
		+	[10:09pm] bosun: treasurer
		+	[10:09pm] Pirate_Joe: We need someone to audit the books to ensure the quartermaster is doing right.
		+	[10:10pm] bosun: oh auditor
		+	[10:10pm] Pirate_Joe: beancounter = auditor
		+	[10:10pm] kusanagi: I have zero experience on that. If Dan was willing to come back, then I'd suggest him, but...
		+	[10:11pm] Pirate_Joe: I would prefer to have us press forward, no matter who is in charge.
		+	[10:11pm] jokeefe: Secretary only has to keep track of the meetings
		+	[10:11pm] kusanagi: Exactly.
		+	[10:11pm] bosun: We could just report the transactions at each meeting
		+	[10:11pm] kusanagi: That too.
		+	[10:11pm] Pirate_Joe: Once a year would be more than enough, esp if we are not doing much yet
		+	[10:12pm] jokeefe: We are getting off topic
		+	[10:12pm] Pirate_Joe: Agreed
		+	[10:12pm] bosun: elections
		+	[10:12pm] Pirate_Joe: Nominations first, then elections? I would be fine with Sayyida as chair and would be happy to support her as vice-chair or quartermaster.
		+	[10:12pm] sayyida: I say noms in by monday via SAB. Make a mega thread or something to list all Noms
		+	[10:13pm] kusanagi: elections, since we don't have enough to fill all positions atm, might be bnest to wait a bit to announce over SAB
		+	[10:13pm] sayyida: vote in 3 weeks
		+	[10:13pm] kusanagi: 2 weeks