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Jokeefe at 13:12, 1 November 2021

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	[9:49pm] wodensday: I propose this because it is happening, and while happen either way. Outreach is currently doing most of this, but it's a very messy process.		[9:49pm] wodensday: I propose this because it is happening, and while happen either way. Outreach is currently doing most of this, but it's a very messy process.

			[9:49pm] rCarro: It can be unofficial
			[9:49pm] wodensday: I am also currently doing most of it, and for democracy's sake I don't like them being unofficial things given to an appointed chair under the table
			[9:49pm] rCarro: we don’t need a title
			[9:49pm] jokeefe: <have to step out now />
			[9:49pm] wodensday: I think we should have a more official system than that
			[9:50pm] rCarro: but does it need to be official
			[9:50pm] rCarro: no need for an official title
			[9:50pm] wodensday: it can be an appointed position, but I want this solidified better
			[9:50pm] Yari: rCarro, I hate to quote the Washington Post but: 'democracy dies in darkness'
			[9:50pm] Yari: the more transparency the better
			[9:51pm] Bosun: The chair could just appoint one, because else it falls to the chair.
			[9:51pm] wodensday: Because right now I'm doing it by proxy and that doesn't feel quite right. it's also a pain because I barely have the delegated power to do it efficiently
			[9:51pm] rCarro: 😨 the Washington post
			[9:51pm] Yari: ie, the less unofficial positions the better
			[9:51pm] Joe: I would say this still falls under the task of outreach though I see no issue in tasking a task to a tasker.
			[9:51pm] rCarro: I agree
			[9:51pm] rCarro: we don’t need a whole mother thin
			[9:51pm] wodensday: We could include these as official duties of the outreach chair
			[9:51pm] rCarro: *’nother
			[9:51pm] wodensday: If that sounds more appropriate
			[9:52pm] Joe: If outreach was to use the title deputy of Social media, or the like, does that fit the bill?
			[9:52pm] Yari: wodensday why should this be another member of the officers? do you see this position growing in responsibilities?
			[9:52pm] Bosun: wodensday - just ask the chair for whatever you need.
			[9:52pm] wodensday: This could most certainly grow in responsibility
			[9:52pm] rCarro: I agree with bosun
			[9:52pm] Yari: Bosun I'm not supposed to be just doing things, I'm supposed to be delegating
			[9:52pm] rCarro: 😌 well, the Chair has to do some
			[9:52pm] rCarro: not just delegate
			[9:53pm] Yari: I do a lot already thanks
			[9:53pm] Bosun: So delegate him the power.
			[9:53pm] Yari: and so does he
			[9:53pm] wodensday: I also didn't want this to necessarily be me lol. It CAN be, but I'm not trying to perform an enabling act here
			[9:53pm] rCarro: I know, I’m not implying that
			[9:53pm] rCarro: just saying that we can have it as
			[9:53pm] Yari: To be transparent, wodensday ran this by me already
			[9:54pm] Yari: It wasn't something that I really wrote any of?
			[9:54pm] Yari: I don't think
			[9:54pm] Yari: hard to recall
			[9:54pm] Bosun: The role of public face has traditionally been the chairman. The chairman can delegate it unless overriden by the board.
			[9:54pm] syyida: Why the tile. Is it the title everyone is hung up on?
			[9:54pm] rCarro: We are saying it doesn’t need to be
			[9:54pm] rCarro: A fancy title
			[9:54pm] wodensday: We are an organization that currently needs to put a lot of weight into our social aspects. "Outreach" is a massive umbrella and I think we should start to break it down
			[9:54pm] rCarro: We can just give it to someone
			[9:55pm] syyida: Then why not head of outreach pick a drone give them a #2 star and let 'em at it
			[9:55pm] Joe: Outreach is a committee, correct?
			[9:55pm] syyida: I am failing to understand this
			[9:55pm] Yari: correct Jow
			[9:55pm] Yari: Joe
			[9:55pm] rCarro: If outrewch is a Committee
			[9:55pm] rCarro: Make a sub committee
			[9:55pm] wodensday: We don't NEED a fancy title, but it's nice for organization and transparency
			[9:55pm] Joe: A committee can have board members w
			[9:55pm] rCarro: It’s that easy
			[9:55pm] rCarro: Yeah. Or a sub committee
			[9:55pm] Joe: That it desires for itself
			[9:55pm] Yari: okay, since we are at 5 minutes to the end I will gladly accept motions to table
			[9:56pm] Bosun: Or make him chair of the comittee.
			[9:56pm] wodensday: I think I may have explained this poorly, or we're otherwise failing to get on the same page.
			[9:56pm] syyida: Ok so accountability in burocracy?
			[9:56pm] rCarro: Someone motion to table
			[9:56pm] Yari: yeah it seems like it
			[9:56pm] pmchi: Motion to table until next week!
			[9:56pm] pmchi: Week?
			[9:56pm] Yari: motion has been made
			[9:56pm] syyida: Second
			[9:56pm] Joe: Outreach chair still reports here but ca divide tasks accordingly
			[9:56pm] Yari: and second, all in favor?
			[9:56pm] syyida: Aye
			[9:56pm] Bosun: what motion.
			[9:56pm] Joe: Aye
			[9:56pm] rCarro: aye
			[9:56pm] pmchi: Aye
			[9:56pm] Yari: motion to table this until next week
			[9:56pm] Yari: Bosun
			[9:56pm] Joe: Motion to table
			[9:56pm] wodensday: Aye
			[9:56pm] Yari: also WI already voted
			[9:57pm] Bosun: ok - I do not vote
			[9:57pm] Yari: one of you votes - you have to decide among yourselves
			[9:57pm] rCarro: what if work to create a fund to
			[9:57pm] syyida: It is me
			[9:57pm] rCarro: help candidates in 2022
			[9:57pm] pmchi: I’m the voting member rCarro
			[9:57pm] Joe: Motion for Bosun to run for president
			[9:57pm] syyida: @yarii I am the Wi rep.
			[9:57pm] Yari: okay it is tabled then
			[9:57pm] Bosun: II am not offended - fact I do not vot.
			[9:57pm] rCarro: wait but about WI
			[9:57pm] Yari: Joe I'm ignoring that as a joke
			[9:57pm] rCarro: They don’t have voting member
			[9:57pm] pmchi: WI is syyida
			[9:58pm] rCarro: ant of them vote thi
			[9:58pm] Yari: accepting motions to adjourn
			[9:58pm] syyida: Motion to adjourn
			[9:58pm] rCarro: wait, I didn’t say my idea
			[9:58pm] Joe left the chat room. (Quit: Connection closed)
			[9:58pm] wodensday: Second
			[9:58pm] Yari: all in favor?
			[9:58pm] Joe joined the chat room.
			[9:58pm] wodensday: A y e
			[9:58pm] syyida: Aye
			[9:58pm] pmchi: Aye
			[9:58pm] Joe: Motion to adjourn?
			[9:58pm] rCarro left the chat room. (Quit: Connection closed)
			[9:58pm] Joe: Aye
			[9:59pm] Yari: with that, This meeting of the PNC is adjourned at 9:59pm EST
	(all times from here are in PST because of transcript coming from PST computer)		(all times from here are in PST because of transcript coming from PST computer)

Yari: /* Minutes */

2021-11-01T04:03:06Z

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	[9:49pm] wodensday: I propose this because it is happening, and while happen either way. Outreach is currently doing most of this, but it's a very messy process.		[9:49pm] wodensday: I propose this because it is happening, and while happen either way. Outreach is currently doing most of this, but it's a very messy process.

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			[2021-10-31 18:49:41] <rCarro> It can be unofficial
			[2021-10-31 18:49:44] <wodensday> I am also currently doing most of it, and for democracy's sake I don't like them being unofficial things given to an appointed chair under the table
			[2021-10-31 18:49:50] <rCarro> we don’t need a title
			[2021-10-31 18:49:52] <jokeefe> <have to step out now />
			[2021-10-31 18:49:54] <wodensday> I think we should have a more official system than that
			[2021-10-31 18:50:06] <rCarro> but does it need to be official
			[2021-10-31 18:50:12] <rCarro> no need for an official title
			[2021-10-31 18:50:36] <wodensday> it can be an appointed position, but I want this solidified better
			[2021-10-31 18:50:39] <Yari> rCarro, I hate to quote the Washington Post but: 'democracy dies in darkness'
			[2021-10-31 18:50:50] <Yari> the more transparency the better
			[2021-10-31 18:51:03] <Bosun> The chair could just appoint one, because else it falls to the chair.
			[2021-10-31 18:51:05] <wodensday> Because right now I'm doing it by proxy and that doesn't feel quite right. it's also a pain because I barely have the delegated power to do it efficiently
			[2021-10-31 18:51:05] <rCarro> 😨 the Washington post
			[2021-10-31 18:51:06] <Yari> ie, the less unofficial positions the better
			[2021-10-31 18:51:11] <Joe> I would say this still falls under the task of outreach though I see no issue in tasking a task to a tasker.
			[2021-10-31 18:51:19] <rCarro> I agree
			[2021-10-31 18:51:25] <rCarro> we don’t need a whole mother thin
			[2021-10-31 18:51:50] <wodensday> We could include these as official duties of the outreach chair
			[2021-10-31 18:51:56] <rCarro> *’nother
			[2021-10-31 18:51:56] <wodensday> If that sounds more appropriate
			[2021-10-31 18:52:02] <Yari> wodensday why should this be another member of the officers? do you see this position growing in responsibilities?
			[2021-10-31 18:52:02] <Joe> If outreach was to use the title deputy of Social media, or the like, does that fit the bill?
			[2021-10-31 18:52:13] <Bosun> wodensday - just ask the chair for whatever you need.
			[2021-10-31 18:52:20] <wodensday> This could most certainly grow in responsibility
			[2021-10-31 18:52:25] <rCarro> I agree with bosun
			[2021-10-31 18:52:38] <Yari> Bosun I'm not supposed to be just doing things, I'm supposed to be delegating
			[2021-10-31 18:52:50] <rCarro> 😌 well, the Chair has to do some
			[2021-10-31 18:52:54] <rCarro> not just delegate
			[2021-10-31 18:53:01] <Yari> I do a lot already thanks
			[2021-10-31 18:53:01] <Bosun> So delegate him the power.
			[2021-10-31 18:53:08] <Yari> and so does he
			[2021-10-31 18:53:13] <wodensday> I also didn't want this to necessarily be me lol. It CAN be, but I'm not trying to perform an enabling act here
			[2021-10-31 18:53:21] <rCarro> I know, I’m not implying that
			[2021-10-31 18:53:34] <rCarro> just saying that we can have it as
			[2021-10-31 18:53:38] <Yari> To be transparent, wodensday ran this by me already
			[2021-10-31 18:54:00] <Yari> It wasn't something that I really wrote any of?
			[2021-10-31 18:54:03] <Yari> I don't think
			[2021-10-31 18:54:08] <Yari> hard to recall
			[2021-10-31 18:54:13] <Bosun> The role of public face has traditionally been the chairman. The chairman can delegate it unless overriden by the board.
			[2021-10-31 18:54:14] <syyida> Why the tile. Is it the title everyone is hung up on?
			[2021-10-31 18:54:26] <rCarro> We are saying it doesn’t need to be
			[2021-10-31 18:54:29] <rCarro> A fancy title
			[2021-10-31 18:54:30] <wodensday> We are an organization that currently needs to put a lot of weight into our social aspects. "Outreach" is a massive umbrella and I think we should start to break it down
			[2021-10-31 18:54:41] <rCarro> We can just give it to someone
			[2021-10-31 18:55:10] <syyida> Then why not head of outreach pick a drone give them a #2 star and let 'em at it
			[2021-10-31 18:55:13] <Joe> Outreach is a committee, correct?
			[2021-10-31 18:55:21] <syyida> I am failing to understand this
			[2021-10-31 18:55:27] <Yari> correct Jow
			[2021-10-31 18:55:29] <Yari> Joe
			[2021-10-31 18:55:30] <rCarro> If outrewch is a Committee
			[2021-10-31 18:55:35] <rCarro> Make a sub committee
			[2021-10-31 18:55:35] <wodensday> We don't NEED a fancy title, but it's nice for organization and transparency
			[2021-10-31 18:55:40] <Joe> A committee can have board members w
			[2021-10-31 18:55:41] <rCarro> It’s that easy
			[2021-10-31 18:55:49] <rCarro> Yeah. Or a sub committee
			[2021-10-31 18:55:51] <Joe> That it desires for itself
			[2021-10-31 18:55:56] <Yari> okay, since we are at 5 minutes to the end I will gladly accept motions to table
			[2021-10-31 18:55:59] <Bosun> Or make him chair of the comittee.
			[2021-10-31 18:56:05] <wodensday> I think I may have explained this poorly, or we're otherwise failing to get on the same page.
			[2021-10-31 18:56:07] <syyida> Ok so accountability in burocracy?
			[2021-10-31 18:56:14] <rCarro> Someone motion to table
			[2021-10-31 18:56:16] <Yari> yeah it seems like it
			[2021-10-31 18:56:16] <pmchi> Motion to table until next week!
			[2021-10-31 18:56:18] <pmchi> Week?
			[2021-10-31 18:56:25] <Yari> motion has been made
			[2021-10-31 18:56:25] <syyida> Second
			[2021-10-31 18:56:30] <Joe> Outreach chair still reports here but ca divide tasks accordingly
			[2021-10-31 18:56:31] <Yari> and second, all in favor?
			[2021-10-31 18:56:35] <syyida> Aye
			[2021-10-31 18:56:37] <Bosun> what motion.
			[2021-10-31 18:56:38] <Joe> Aye
			[2021-10-31 18:56:41] <rCarro> aye
			[2021-10-31 18:56:42] <pmchi> Aye
			[2021-10-31 18:56:45] <Yari> motion to table this until next week
			[2021-10-31 18:56:47] <Yari> Bosun
			[2021-10-31 18:56:49] <Joe> Motion to table
			[2021-10-31 18:56:55] <wodensday> Aye
			[2021-10-31 18:56:56] <Yari> also WI already voted
			[2021-10-31 18:57:04] <Bosun> ok - I do not vote
			[2021-10-31 18:57:18] <Yari> one of you votes - you have to decide among yourselves
			[2021-10-31 18:57:25] <rCarro> what if work to create a fund to
			[2021-10-31 18:57:25] <syyida> It is me
			[2021-10-31 18:57:31] <rCarro> help candidates in 2022
			[2021-10-31 18:57:33] <pmchi> I’m the voting member rCarro
			[2021-10-31 18:57:35] <Joe> Motion for Bosun to run for president
			[2021-10-31 18:57:36] <syyida> @yarii I am the Wi rep.
			[2021-10-31 18:57:38] <Yari> okay it is tabled then
			[2021-10-31 18:57:38] <Bosun> II am not offended - fact I do not vot.
			[2021-10-31 18:57:46] <rCarro> wait but about WI
			[2021-10-31 18:57:53] <Yari> Joe I'm ignoring that as a joke
			[2021-10-31 18:57:54] <rCarro> They don’t have voting member
			[2021-10-31 18:57:56] <pmchi> WI is syyida
			[2021-10-31 18:58:01] <rCarro> ant of them vote thi
			[2021-10-31 18:58:05] <Yari> accepting motions to adjourn
			[2021-10-31 18:58:10] <syyida> Motion to adjourn
			[2021-10-31 18:58:15] <rCarro> wait, I didn’t say my idea
			[2021-10-31 18:58:15] ⇐ Joe quit (4972bedf@unknownnetwork-a.clients.kiwiirc.com): Quit: Connection closed
			[2021-10-31 18:58:16] <wodensday> Second
			[2021-10-31 18:58:20] <Yari> all in favor?
			[2021-10-31 18:58:23] → Joe joined (4972bedf@unknownnetwork-a.clients.kiwiirc.com)
			[2021-10-31 18:58:26] <wodensday> A y e
			[2021-10-31 18:58:27] <syyida> Aye
			[2021-10-31 18:58:28] <pmchi> Aye
			[2021-10-31 18:58:48] <Joe> Motion to adjourn?
			[2021-10-31 18:58:50] ⇐ rCarro quit (rCarro@313-84-74-13.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net): Quit: Connection closed
			[2021-10-31 18:58:52] <Joe> Aye
			[2021-10-31 18:59:10] <Yari> with that, This meeting of the PNC is adjourned at 9:59pm EST

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Jokeefe at 01:49, 1 November 2021

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	[9:48pm] wodensday: ...Isn't Pmchi the voting member here?		[9:48pm] wodensday: ...Isn't Pmchi the voting member here?
	[9:48pm] pmchi: I am		[9:48pm] pmchi: I am
			[9:48pm] Joe: I 2nd the Bosun and syyide
			[9:48pm] rCarro: wait so I can’t make motions
			[9:48pm] wodensday: Let's take this one step at a time.
			[9:48pm] Bosun: Just withdraw the motion.
			[9:48pm] Joe: 1 per state rCarro
			[9:48pm] rCarro: I withdraw the motion
			[9:49pm] rCarro: Yessir
			[9:49pm] wodensday: I propose this because it is happening, and while happen either way. Outreach is currently doing most of this, but it's a very messy process.

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Jokeefe at 01:48, 1 November 2021

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	[9:47pm] rCarro: I agree		[9:47pm] rCarro: I agree
	[9:47pm] rCarro: I motion to table the motion		[9:47pm] rCarro: I motion to table the motion
			[9:47pm] rCarro: Indefinitely
			[9:48pm] Miles_W_PPAU: unless it were a paid position, then you would need clear role descriptions
			[9:48pm] Miles_W_PPAU: aka a title
			[9:48pm] wodensday: ...Isn't Pmchi the voting member here?
			[9:48pm] pmchi: I am

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Jokeefe at 01:48, 1 November 2021

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	[9:47pm] rCarro: I disagree		[9:47pm] rCarro: I disagree
	[9:47pm] Joe: I would suggest it be a delegate of outreach. Perhaps an official officer or deputy.		[9:47pm] Joe: I would suggest it be a delegate of outreach. Perhaps an official officer or deputy.
			[9:47pm] rCarro: Because it’s redundwan
			[9:47pm] Bosun: I don't think we need more titles, we need more drones.
			[9:47pm] Miles_W_PPAU: We have had a press officer in the past, but no-one has filled the role for a while so everyone on the exec handles press duties now
			[9:47pm] rCarro: I agree
			[9:47pm] Miles_W_PPAU: agree with Bosun
			[9:47pm] rCarro: Titles will make it too crowded
			[9:47pm] rCarro: I agree
			[9:47pm] rCarro: I motion to table the motion

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Jokeefe at 01:47, 1 November 2021

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 [9:45pm] wodensday: This would consolidate it into an office, away from the outreach committee and in the much better hands of an officer
 [9:45pm] wodensday: I deally I would want to move one of our outreach folks to it
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Jokeefe at 01:46, 1 November 2021

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 [9:43pm] rCarro: That includes anti trans language
 [9:43pm] wodensday: As that would be necessary
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Jokeefe at 01:44, 1 November 2021

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	[9:42pm] rCarro: Yes		[9:42pm] rCarro: Yes
	[9:43pm] Bosun: The greens are mighty white in GA?		[9:43pm] Bosun: The greens are mighty white in GA?
			[9:43pm] wodensday: Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/644f64b6f8a48b57b90b3ccae9581b4b/pasted.txt
			[9:43pm] rCarro: I searched it up
			[9:43pm] wodensday: Whoops
			[9:43pm] wodensday: I meant to copy-paste that
			[9:43pm] rCarro: They passed a part to their platform
			[9:43pm] wodensday: I need to change it so it says "Amend the bylaws to"
			[9:43pm] rCarro: That includes anti trans language
			[9:43pm] wodensday: As that would be necessary

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Jokeefe at 01:43, 1 November 2021

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	[9:42pm] Yari: Please.		[9:42pm] Yari: Please.
	[9:42pm] rCarro: Yes		[9:42pm] rCarro: Yes
			[9:43pm] Bosun: The greens are mighty white in GA?

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Jokeefe at 01:43, 1 November 2021

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	[9:42pm] Yari: understood.		[9:42pm] Yari: understood.
	[9:42pm] wodensday: May I suggest my motion then?		[9:42pm] wodensday: May I suggest my motion then?
			[9:42pm] Yari: Please.
			[9:42pm] rCarro: Yes

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