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 :47:11 <DreadPirateDrew> Personally I don't think any of us should feel obligated to support any candidate Pirate or otherwise unless they are comfortable with them being a candidate.
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		+	18:06:36 <Wodensday> I’m going to go ahead and call this meeting to order at 9:06 EDT.
		+	18:06:39 <Wodensday> IDs?
		+	18:06:44 <yari> Rose Klein, CA
		+	18:06:44 <Wodensday> Anthony Jay, INPP, PNC Chair
		+	18:07:00 <DreadPirateDrew> Drew Bingaman, PA Captain
		+	18:07:24 <Wodensday> Pmchi
		+	18:07:26 <pmchi> Mitchel Davilo, Chicagoland/ILPP, Swarmcare Manager
		+	18:07:35 <Wodensday> Excellent.
		+	18:07:39 <pmchi> I was punctual you should’ve given me a moment lol
		+	18:07:50 <pmchi> I’m here I promise!
		+	18:07:50 <Wodensday> Did we get an agenda prepared for this evening? Yari
		+	18:08:04 <Wodensday> Well, y’knowww, I never know what to expect from the Chicagoland Pirates
		+	18:08:09 <Wodensday> They’re Chicagoan and all
		+	18:08:32 <yari> I did not, unfortunately
		+	18:08:55 <yari> I was moving house so this last week has been a no go for me
		+	18:09:00 <Wodensday> That is alright, it feels like it’s been a busy week.
		+	18:09:18 <Wodensday> I know we have one agenda item, that should be enough for a small meeting before a holiday.
		+	18:09:37 <Wodensday> I’m going to go ahead and get reports, though.
		+	18:09:41 <Wodensday> Platform?
		+	18:09:58 Jester has joined
		+	18:10:05 <Wodensday> Welcome Jester!
		+	18:10:07 <Wodensday> Please ID
		+	18:10:11 <Jester> Sorry I'm late
		+	18:10:20 <Wodensday> No worries, we’re just getting start.
		+	18:10:27 <Jester> Maya, INPP
		+	18:10:44 <Jester> Just a forewarning I may have to leave early to take care of personal matters
		+	18:10:55 <MJordan> Did I need to ID?
		+	18:10:56 <Wodensday> That is alright.
		+	18:11:05 <Wodensday> Only if you wish to participate as an observer MJordan
		+	18:11:09 <pmchi> We are going to get more in-depth during our meeting on the 11th via VC chat (cancelled tomorrow for the 4th). I think we want to look into the bylaws about our platform mandates and how some are propositional and some mandatory
		+	18:11:17 <MJordan> Matt, South Carolina.
		+	18:11:27 <Wodensday> Danke Schön, MJordan
		+	18:11:32 <Wodensday> Sounds awesome Pmchi!
		+	18:11:39 <MJordan> Bitte Schon
		+	18:11:59 <Wodensday> Yari - any IT report? May be a long shot
		+	18:12:53 <yari> I was not at the IT meeting on thursday :(
		+	18:12:57 <yari> so not from me
		+	18:13:04 <Wodensday> That’s alright! Was anyone here?
		+	18:13:23 <Wodensday> I presume no, but speak up if that’s not the case.
		+	18:13:58 <Wodensday> In the meantime, I’ll do outreach - a bit slow this week, still working on our “Ask a Pirate” event. It’s also going through a transition period as I try to find out how to hand outreach stuff over so I can do more chair stuff
		+	18:14:36 <Wodensday> I would assume it’s time to move on to officer reporters.
		+	18:14:46 <Wodensday> Pmchi - Swarmcare?
		+	18:16:28 <pmchi> Wodensday and I spoke with our connections in Mississippi and I’m excited about how the meeting went and the formation of the MSPP
		+	18:16:48 <pmchi> Had a chat over VC, it went really well I thought
		+	18:17:01 <Wodensday> (MS Mitch is a very cool guy, I support this message)
		+	18:17:22 <Wodensday> Yari - Secretary?
		+	18:18:38 <yari> I have been nearly absent from stuff last week, so that sucks. Will be catching up on stuff this week. Trying to keep up on emails at least. Please as always send me an email at secretary(at)uspirates.org if you need anything added to the website, etc
		+	18:19:04 <Wodensday> We totally understand. Thank you so much for all that you do.
		+	18:19:12 <Wodensday> I’ll give a chair report then.
		+	18:19:21 Jester has quit
		+	18:19:43 <Wodensday> So, I have a surprise for everyone, because it was a surprise for me lol. I got the info late this week.
		+	18:20:08 <Wodensday> But I woke up at 3 AM on Saturday to attend the Pirate Parties International General Assembly, where we were voted in as a member.
		+	18:20:20 <NomadOfNorad> Kewl
		+	18:20:32 <Wodensday> Please ID NomadOfNorad
		+	18:20:39 <NomadOfNorad> David Hall, Florida
		+	18:21:18 <Wodensday> It was a pleasant meeting. They do seem to be going through a transition period at the moment and there are still old issues that seem to be present, but I left the meeting feeling like things were about to move in a major new direction.
		+	18:21:32 Jester has joined
		+	18:21:55 <Wodensday> I trust our friends in PPI and look forward to getting to know them further (they like me too much, I’m now roped in to the international pirate scene and they aren’t gonna let me escape)
		+	18:22:08 <Wodensday> That’s my report. Any discussion on any of the reports?
		+	18:25:03 <Wodensday> I am going to assume there are none.
		+	18:25:33 <yari> I'm curious a bit about the platform report but
		+	18:25:42 <Wodensday> You have the floor.
		+	18:25:42 <yari> I think that's more just something I want to talk to mitch about
		+	18:25:52 <Wodensday> Fair enough.
		+	18:26:05 <Wodensday> Stick with me everyone! We can even close early if need be, I just need to get us all through one more topic!
		+	18:26:22 <yari> oh hey actually -
		+	18:26:25 <yari> PPI
		+	18:26:28 <Wodensday> Yes?
		+	18:26:47 Jester1 has joined
		+	18:26:53 <yari> We need to actually assemble the application to send to them, and we got an email to that effect a while back
		+	18:27:02 Jester has quit
		+	18:27:12 <yari> has that been perchance done and if not can we set up a work jam to just do it?
		+	18:27:21 <Wodensday> I was under the impression that we had one, they let us in as if we did.
		+	18:27:44 <Wodensday> I do not know the actual status but, when I say we’re members now, I say we’re members now. I can ask Mike Gill about the specifics, though.
		+	18:27:58 <Wodensday> If there’s anything they still need from us
		+	18:28:06 <yari> I don't think we're members yet.
		+	18:28:30 <Wodensday> We were voted in as members last night haha. I was there, I was even able to vote.
		+	18:28:41 <yari> oh huh
		+	18:28:48 <yari> maybe Joe submitted everything then?
		+	18:28:50 <yari> must have
		+	18:29:00 <Wodensday> I will definitely ask if there’s anything else they need
		+	18:29:21 <yari> yeah if they do then let me know and I can do that or we can work on it together
		+	18:29:30 <Wodensday> Absolutely
		+	18:29:31 <yari> that's it, just wanted to check in
		+	18:29:37 <Wodensday> Any other debate or discussion on reports?
		+	18:30:53 <Wodensday> Hearing none, I will move on.
		+	18:31:27 <Wodensday> To my understanding, we have one item of business - a check in on how we feel about the Coalition of American Third Parties one week after.
		+	18:31:51 <Wodensday> Would any of last week’s attendees like to kick this off? Pmchi yari dreadpiratedrew
		+	18:32:20 <DreadPirateDrew> I am fine with it. I don't mind being first to sign on. And I think it will cost us little.
		+	18:33:01 <yari> I think I'm on the record as saying it's a good idea, I still stand by that.
		+	18:33:05 <Wodensday> Are you positive about it or just fine? That may be an important distinction
		+	18:33:28 <yari> ^
		+	18:34:04 <DreadPirateDrew> I see little downside, especially right now.
		+	18:34:32 <Wodensday> Pmchi - do you have any input?
		+	18:35:36 <pmchi> I don’t have a solid outlook coming off of the meeting to be honest
		+	18:36:03 <pmchi> I think a coalition is a good idea, but I’m skeptical of the current proposal
		+	18:36:04 <Wodensday> Also to recap for Jester1 - a guy by the name of Alex Darlington reached out to us about being part of a ultimate multiparty coalition, this was last meeting (we REALLY need to get you on the mailing lists, I am so sorry)
		+	18:36:26 <Wodensday> Pmchi - can you elaborate on why you’re skeptical?
		+	18:38:07 <pmchi> I’m not convinced this current proposal has been thought out with an end game in mind. I’m think Alex is a fantastic kid, and at 19 he’s got a hell of a future ahead of him. But the Stair Party needs more rounding out for my comfort, and I would like to see a plan for what happens next.
		+	18:39:28 <DreadPirateDrew> This is a ground floor opportunity and honestly it isn't very fleshed out. But that is an advantage for us to be able to shape and influence the coalition
		+	18:39:49 <pmchi> Like right now, I still couldn’t tell you the core issues of the Stair Party. If the coalition is just to get more choices on the ballot, then I respect that. But I don’t know who I’m working with here. And then who we will be working with. Idk if reaching out to third parties for the sake of them being third parties is wise
		+	18:39:59 <Jester1> Yea it's no problem Wodensday
		+	18:40:11 <NomadOfNorad> well, he's in place, at least, and the connection is there. Things can improve from that, but the foundation is there, ready for future improvement
		+	18:40:33 <Wodensday> Pmchi - it sounds like you’re hinting at the ideological conversation we had.
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		+	18:41:11 <Wodensday> Which sort of goes “Is supporting third parties noble in of itself, or do we only do that if they have good goals?”
		+	18:42:09 <Wodensday> I do think that’s important. Some members of our party may not want us to work with the LP, others may not want us to work with the ASP, etc etc etc. Alex says he’ll draw the line at undercutting democracy, but where do WE draw the line? Thoughts?
		+	18:42:38 <yari> I'm of the opinion that as long as we can convince Alex & the other organizers to include a strong bigotry/bias statement, then we should just go for it
		+	18:42:54 <yari> conversation between diverse groups for the sake of conversation is not a bad pitch
		+	18:43:02 <yari> in fact it's a good thing overall, I would argue
		+	18:43:32 <yari> adding on the goal of amplifying the voices of third parties is even better
		+	18:44:04 <DreadPirateDrew> I also see nothing that would be binding to us and make it difficult to withdraw from the coalition if it goes south
		+	18:44:12 <yari> ^
		+	18:44:37 <Wodensday> That’s true.
		+	18:44:58 <DreadPirateDrew> I also didn't see any red flags from the Stair site, nor hear any from Alex.
		+	18:45:24 <Wodensday> Oh, Alex seems wonderful. I presume these concerns are more about other parties.
		+	18:45:34 <yari> like, yeah, Stair could be better - and they will probably become better through conversation with us, same with any group
		+	18:45:47 <Wodensday> I do think getting in on the ground floor could be good if this is a concern, it would allow us to implement rules.
		+	18:46:03 <Wodensday> For one, I don’t want anyone feeling obligated to support getting a candidate they think is disastrous on the ballot.
		+	18:46:07 <yari> Again, so long as there is a strong anti-bigotry clause, I think it's a solid proposal
		+	18:46:07 <Wodensday> I can see that coming up.
		+	18:46:29 <yari> yeah, that's a valid concern
		+	18:47:11 <DreadPirateDrew> Personally I don't think any of us should feel obligated to support any candidate Pirate or otherwise unless they are comfortable with them being a candidate.
		+	18:47:18 <yari> ^
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		+	18:47:22 <pmchi> ^^
		+	18:47:40 <Wodensday> Absolutely.
		+	18:47:45 <Wodensday> How are you feeling Pmchi?
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