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Bosun: Transcript by Bosun of Feb 23 2021 Outreach

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Transcript by Bosun of Feb 23 2021 Outreach

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[20:00:59] <Yari> Ahoy
[20:01:04] <@Bosun> Ahoy Yari
[20:01:06] <pmchi> Ahoy everyone!
[20:01:17] <Olivia_> Hey everyone.
[20:01:54] <@Bosun> I put the state outline pirate flag on ILPP twitter.
[20:02:00] <pmchi> Mitchel Davilo, Chicago/ILPP
[20:02:07] <Yari> Okay let's get started
[20:02:09] <pmchi> Thank you @Bosun
[20:02:11] <Yari> Ids
[20:02:19] <Yari> Rose Klein, California
[20:02:25] <@Bosun> Joe Klein - USPP Chair.
[20:02:41] <Olivia_> Olivia Kristiann, SouthWest, volunteer
[20:03:29] <Yari> Old business first
[20:04:09] <Yari> Pmchi, could you please update on current status of the social media guidelines draft?
[20:04:18] <Yari> I'm not sure that I'm all caught up
[20:04:38] <pmchi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HSdZn56r/Draft+for+Social+Media+Guidelines.docx
[20:05:09] <pmchi> This is the draft I had originally sent. I didn’t make any edits to it, I wanted to discuss it here
[20:05:29] <Yari> Okay before we get into discussing
[20:05:30] <@Bosun> OK
[20:05:54] <Yari> I should make the announcement that jokeefe will not be able to join tonight
[20:06:10] <Yari> He was planning on doing the demo
[20:06:18] <Yari> We will reschedule
[20:06:30] <@Bosun> I warn you I have az nasty editor's pencil.
[20:06:31] <Yari> Newsletter demo
[20:07:36] <Yari> Okay are there any objections to beginning discussions?
[20:07:46] <Yari> On the guidelines
[20:07:52] <Yari> As pmchi suggested
[20:08:01] <@Bosun> Nope
[20:08:49] <@Bosun> May I?
[20:09:11] <Yari> Hearing no objections, please go ahead Bosun
[20:09:21] <Yari> Discussion is open
[20:10:59] <@Bosun> #1 is a goal. I think this needs to be broken into things we do not want, goals, addendums for particular platforms.
[20:11:31] <@Bosun> not necissaarilly in that order. High lofty goals are always a good start.
[20:12:25] <@Bosun> Will be ... updated etc ... is fine if we had staff. But we do not. Better - The goal is to provide ...
[20:13:19] <@Bosun> Noes - No being an ass written in nice rule sets.
[20:15:25] <@Bosun> As for the strange drama ... I gave Olivia my humble opinions off the cuff. I suggested more formal rules because lazy non contributor love throwing rocks.
[20:16:05] <@Bosun> As chair I am always the rock target.
[20:17:14] <@Bosun> I can hash this up in a few minutes if you want.
[20:17:54] <@Bosun> Lastly - keep thus stuff off the main list untill the draft is fully baked.
[20:20:05] <Yari> Bosun, so it sounds like you're suggesting that the guidelines have sections, one for goals, one for noes, etc?
[20:20:22] <@Bosun> Yes.
[20:20:48] <@Bosun> And maybe a high spirited preamble.
[20:20:58] <Yari> And the first goal, #1 in current, be rephrased as providing... What?
[20:21:32] <Yari> I see what you mean that we don't have staff, and cannot always adhere to update schedules
[20:22:54] <@Bosun> We want to attract people, but not be so timid in pushing for justice that we throw out principals for a few votes.
[20:23:26] <@Bosun> We don't want to be Dems or the GOP.
[20:23:41] <Yari> True
[20:25:07] <Yari> And you are suggesting more formal rules pertaining to which part?
[20:25:40] <@Bosun> Noes.
[20:26:28] <Yari> How can current noes be made more formal?
[20:26:43] <Yari> Or more strict?
[20:27:06] <Yari> I think there's always interpretation issues with platforms like this
[20:29:12] <@Bosun> No ad hominem attacks. No attacks based on gender, class, race, or age.
[20:29:44] <Yari> Are you suggesting that to replace or in addition to?
[20:29:46] <@Bosun> Enforcment is always a trial by peers.
[20:30:34] <@Bosun> You guys talk a bit I have a 5 minute task I need to work on here.
[20:32:42] <@Bosun> Sorry - had to get dinner.
[20:33:43] <Yari> Pmchi, thoughts?
[20:33:50] <@Bosun> Impericism is hard to enforce in the age of spin.
[20:33:56] <Olivia_> What about criticism of other political parties when they do stupid crap like Cancun Cruz & the soon to be docu-series on Gym Jordan?
[20:35:28] <@Bosun> They all do stupid things. If we only attack the GOP or the Trumpers then we look like Dem lites.
[20:35:28] <pmchi> No thoughts, really. Taking notes on improvements, I can send a second draft with critiques in mind and edits this week if you’d like
[20:35:56] <Yari> Bosun, I still think we need to post about those things though
[20:36:10] <Yari> I think there is also a question of how often
[20:36:27] <Yari> Because we need to keep a branding of sorts
[20:37:21] <Yari> So maybe limiting ourselves to one post/x for each awful thing that happens in the world?
[20:37:40] <@Bosun> Yes, but we can do so by taking about clean and fair government, upholding principals of human rights and justice for all.
[20:38:31] <pmchi> Bosun:, was there anything in particular you wanted me to remove from the initial draft for the second one?
[20:38:47] <@Bosun> Senator x is a selfish bozo. Well that will always be true, just redefine the x.
[20:39:15] <Yari> Bosun I'm not saying we do personal attacks
[20:39:22] <Yari> Even on senators
[20:39:33] <Yari> Even selfish bozos
[20:39:37] <@Bosun> Not Congressmen???
[20:39:50] <@Bosun> Not Ron Johnson???
[20:39:54] <Yari> No, you call them on their shit though
[20:40:33] <Yari> You say "Ron Johnson has done this thing, which is part of a pattern of bad things (source)"
[20:40:41] <Olivia_> So no calling Gym Jordan a rapist enabler of male wrestlers but how George Clooney is making a new series on the Ohio State abuse scandal which stars Gym Jordan?
[20:41:05] <Yari> Calling someone a rapist is a fact
[20:41:15] <Yari> Calling someone a bozo is an opinion
[20:41:21] <Yari> Difference
[20:41:37] <@Bosun> Yes and you can call them out without party or even name. Jordon has ignored rape being done in his own department.
[20:42:17] <@Bosun> Noone has shown in court that he is a rapist.
[20:42:24] <Yari> See, that last sentence there is exactly what I'm talking about.
[20:42:35] <Yari> Sorry, the one before that
[20:42:40] <Olivia_> Oh I know he hasn't been accused of rape but he allowed it and covered it up.
[20:42:54] <Yari> "Jordon has ignored rape being done in his own department."
[20:43:08] <@Bosun> Yes and that is a fact.
[20:43:12] <Yari> That's the sort of shit I want us to post, if we're going to call out ppl
[20:43:25] <Yari> With sources
[20:44:23] <Yari> Important caveat, I think those posts should be limited to x per unit time or x per unit... Something.
[20:44:35] <@Bosun> People have doe dead to rights wrongs, but people also don't listen if the comments sound like party propaganda.
[20:44:43] <Yari> So that we have a fair balance of callous and posts about the party itself
[20:44:48] <@Bosun> .. done..
[20:44:54] <Olivia_> So I can call Trump a serial pedophile if I link to the court documents of when he was due in court December 2016 for raping 12/13-year-olds with Jeffrey Epstein?
[20:44:58] <Yari> *callouts
[20:45:28] <Yari> Olivia keep in mind this is my opinion
[20:45:38] <Yari> But yes, I would say yes
[20:45:56] <Yari> So long as it's balanced with other shit going on around the US
[20:46:07] <Yari> And with the USPP stuff
[20:46:13] <Olivia_> I can add alleged if it makes it better.
[20:46:31] <@Bosun> If Joe goes nuts killing people with drones, we should hop on it.
[20:46:37] <Olivia_> The Gym Jordan case is fact too.
[20:46:46] <Yari> Bosun absolutely agreed
[20:47:42] <Yari> Bosun it sounded before like you and I were not in agreement
[20:47:46] <Olivia_> If there's a sheet of like 20-30 USPP and policy statements, I can add those throughout the weeks.
[20:47:54] <Yari> Has that changed?
[20:48:47] <Yari> Olivia_ hangon, none of this is in guidelines yet, not even drafts. Do you think it's a good idea to put in draft?
[20:48:52] <@Bosun> I am arguing nuance
[20:49:28] <Yari> Olivia_ remember we are discussing guidelines technically, and not immediate implementation of ideas
[20:49:39] <Yari> Bosun explain please?
[20:49:46] <Olivia_> About personal opinions? Bosun knows what I tweet on my own account I assume wouldn't be accepted on the USPP account. lol
[20:50:10] <@Bosun> yes.
[20:50:27] <Olivia_> The few I have I heavily censored myself and rewrote tweets that were tame by my standards.
[20:51:03] <@Bosun> This is a policy document.
[20:51:33] <Olivia_> Maybe a section on personal opinions on what's allowed.
[20:52:32] <@Bosun> Mitch - I will scribble on your start and send it back out - make me deadline tomorrow.
[20:53:05] <pmchi> You got it
[20:53:06] <@Bosun> Personal opinion is allowed.
[20:53:27] <@Bosun> We will enevidable disagree.
[20:53:52] <Olivia_> Many times I retweet other people's personal opinions so it saves me cursing up a tantrum.
[20:54:43] <@Bosun> yes, and you can change your mind.
[20:54:52] <Olivia_> Trump is already making a comeback. sigh
[20:55:22] <Olivia_> You want tantrums?
[20:55:26] <@Bosun> Party discipline cannot be absolute in and anti authoritarian party.
[20:55:42] <Yari> Olivia_, if Twitter management is detrimental to mental health, we can delegate.
[20:56:08] <Olivia_> it's my therapy. lol
[20:56:23] <@Bosun> I will ask my cats to do it then, they only care if it smells like fish.
[20:56:43] <Yari> Okay back on topic then
[20:56:52] <@Bosun> :-)
[20:57:02] <Olivia_> What about #VotePirate for interactions being retweeted onto USPP?
[20:57:57] <Yari> What about it?
[20:58:14] <Yari> Are you asking if it's a good tag?
[20:58:37] <Yari> We should end soon btw
[20:58:53] <@Bosun> Hmm .... open invites can be a proble. She is saying we retweet #VotePirate posts.
[20:59:27] <Olivia_> I sent it earlier to the list about making a tweet with a graphic saying they'll be retweeted if using the hashtah like I did with PPI. I sent a link of example graphics I had used before. It would engage people to use it and hopefullly volunteer.
[21:00:23] <Yari> As long as we're screening the retweets, Im all for it
[21:00:31] <@Bosun> We deal with abusewhen it comesto our door.
[21:01:09] <@Bosun> I am out of steam for the day and need to call it a night.
[21:01:16] <Yari> Yes, agreed
[21:01:41] <Yari> Any pressing matters before we wrap?
[21:01:46] <@Bosun> move adjourn
[21:01:48] <Yari> Pmchi Olivia_
[21:01:53] <Olivia_> !
[21:01:57] <Yari> Motion on table
[21:02:14] <pmchi> Second
[21:02:36] <Yari> Hearing no objections, we are adjourned
[21:02:45] <@Bosun> night all
[21:02:51] <Olivia_> Goodnight
[21:02:57] <pmchi> Have a great night everyone
[21:03:03] <Yari> Bosun could you please post
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Bosun: Transcript by Bosun of Feb 23 2021 Outreach