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2014-02-27T03:03:59Z

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Meeting Minutes

2014-02-27T03:03:45Z

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Meeting Minutes

2013-12-17T01:18:56Z

OyajiVyse:

PNC 12/12/13

2013-12-17T01:15:57Z

OyajiVyse: Created page with "=::PNC Meeting Agenda::= ::'''--- 12/12/2013 21:00h EDT ---''' ::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net ::Room: #pnc ::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_12/12/13 ==Minutes== '''Record ..."

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 12/12/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_12/12/13

==Minutes==
'''Record of the meeting'''

IT Report
*Joseph Yaworski volunteered to help with server mainenance and website backend
Convention Report
*next meeting will be 2013-12-14 at 8pm Eastern on #uspp-con
Nominations
*Andrew Norton accepts nomination for First Officer
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner accepts nomination for Captain
*Joseph Yaworsk accepts nomination for Quartermaster

== 1 - ATTENDEES ==
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
'''Attending'''
*Francis Klein - WIPP
*Bradley Hall - FLPP
*Andrew Norton - GAPP
*James O'Keefe - MAPP
*Daniel Gorski - NYPP

'''Excused'''

'''Unexcused'''
*OR

'''Probation'''

==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====
*Joseph Yaworski - MD

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====
*Joseph Klein - IT Chair

== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ==
*Meeting called to order at: 9:03pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 5 out of 6 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes

== 3 - Review of previous minutes ==
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_12/4/13

== 4 - REPORTS ==

==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====
*Website is fully functional
*Keys will be sent out to state reps in next few days

== 5 - Agenda Items ==
*Nominations for PNC Officer positions are due by end of meeting

== - AOB - ==
*Possibly forming a press group after the new year

----
*Next meeting: 2013-12-18 at 9:00PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 11:00 PM EDT
----

=== Logs of the Meeting ===
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Dec 12 21:03:42 <kusanagi> Time is now 9:03 PM EST, I will now open the meeting.
Dec 12 21:04:01 <kusanagi> Please identify yourself with your name, state of residence
Dec 12 21:04:01 <FrancisKlein> Francis Klein, WIPP
Dec 12 21:04:12 <Rush> Bradley Hall, FLPP, Florida, Rep
Dec 12 21:04:26 <K`Tetch> Andrew "K`Tetch" Norton, Georgia Pirate Party
Dec 12 21:04:28 <kusanagi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, Capt. NY
Dec 12 21:04:52 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NYPP rep
Dec 12 21:05:23 <jokeefe> James O'Keefe, MA
Dec 12 21:06:09 <kusanagi> Awesome, welcome everyone
Dec 12 21:06:28 <kusanagi> We'll start with IT committee's report
Dec 12 21:06:35 <jyaworski> Joseph Yaworski, MD.
Dec 12 21:07:06 <FrancisKlein> website is fully functional and all keys are in the hands of bosun - will be sending out the keys to state reps within the next couple of days
Dec 12 21:07:31 <FrancisKlein> That's all I know - I just messaged him to get himself online
Dec 12 21:07:39 <FrancisKlein> in more forceful terms
Dec 12 21:07:46 <kusanagi> I approve :D
Dec 12 21:08:09 <K`Tetch> keys for what?
Dec 12 21:08:20 <FrancisKlein> the website
Dec 12 21:08:36 <FrancisKlein> essentially, will be giving out admin accounts
Dec 12 21:08:46 <K`Tetch> ok, that makes more sense
Dec 12 21:08:53 <jyaworski> FrancisKlein: excellent to hear!
Dec 12 21:09:04 <FrancisKlein> yes indeed
Dec 12 21:09:16 <FrancisKlein> uspiratesorg is now in the hands of the IT committee once more
Dec 12 21:09:32 <FrancisKlein> he's coming online now
Dec 12 21:09:34 <K`Tetch> all we need to do is get pirate-party.us back
Dec 12 21:09:40 <FrancisKlein> if you want him to talk
Dec 12 21:09:53 * Bosun (~Bosun@pzed-90-35-978-39.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #pnc
Dec 12 21:09:58 <FrancisKlein> he might have something additional to add
Dec 12 21:10:07 <FrancisKlein> perfect timing!
Dec 12 21:10:12 <kusanagi> Bosun: for the record, identify please
Dec 12 21:10:38 <Bosun> Joseph Klein Wisconsin/IT
Dec 12 21:11:24 <kusanagi> Can you give a rundown of what's going on with the site?
Dec 12 21:11:30 <FrancisKlein> would you care to say anything about the site?
Dec 12 21:11:41 <FrancisKlein> ^what she said
Dec 12 21:11:58 <K`Tetch> is it just going to be a 'website', or a full service platform?
Dec 12 21:13:17 <Bosun> I have Admin rights and access to the DNS records.
Dec 12 21:13:47 <Bosun> It is on Wordpress ... it needs an updatee
Dec 12 21:13:49 <K`Tetch> (because I know the ppuk is going to be rolling out a new full-service site in the next month
Dec 12 21:14:22 <jyaworski> Bosun: I want it in the record that I'll help with the WP back-end and server management.
Dec 12 21:15:37 <kusanagi> And we may have someone else willing to help, especially with setting up the proper email addresses for the board.
Dec 12 21:16:16 <Bosun> Not a lot to manage, but help is appreciated. Per my prior statements I would like passwords etc distributed to three trusted people form different states.
Dec 12 21:17:07 <Bosun> I am happy to authorize people who are willing to help.
Dec 12 21:17:29 <jokeefe> is there an agenda for the meeting?
Dec 12 21:18:05 <kusanagi> Agenda is in the topic, https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-2013-12-11
Dec 12 21:21:00 <kusanagi> Bosun: is there a specific plan for action for the IT committeee?
Dec 12 21:21:06 <jokeefe> thanks
Dec 12 21:22:26 <K`Tetch> just wondering if the IT committee is really weded to the wordpress thing, and if the new (and english-lagnguage documented) ppuk site would be a better thing to build from
Dec 12 21:22:48 <Bosun> I was just concerned with updating things.and some incremental changes. We don't have a real staff so we should not run in front of our headlights
Dec 12 21:23:57 <Bosun> I use Drupal for WIPP - Wordpress is what we got here.
Dec 12 21:25:08 <Bosun> We can do anything the volunteer base is willing to work on or can work on.
Dec 12 21:25:31 <K`Tetch> I can talk to ppuk it,
Dec 12 21:25:33 <Bosun> But don't suggest unless you can make it work.
Dec 12 21:25:53 <FrancisKlein> so... a subject that should be brought up at a later IT meeting?
Dec 12 21:26:33 <K`Tetch> probably
Dec 12 21:26:36 <kusanagi> More like the next IT meeting, imo
Dec 12 21:27:15 <K`Tetch> well, depends how quick i can get the answers from stve wilson
Dec 12 21:27:46 <kusanagi> Hoping that it's quick, but we'll see.
Dec 12 21:28:34 <FrancisKlein> convention, then?
Dec 12 21:28:46 <kusanagi> yeah
Dec 12 21:28:57 <FrancisKlein> Convention committee has nothing to report as of this time, will have a meeting at 8pm eastern time Saturday, December 14th at the handle #uspp-con. We will discuss the nominations and we will work to make sure every aspect of the elections next week is covered. We will also establish the procedure for the elections, and any information that is not already known will be shared via the SAB list.
Dec 12 21:29:12 <FrancisKlein> tell me if you didn't get all of that
Dec 12 21:29:42 <kusanagi> last words were via the SAB list
Dec 12 21:29:48 <FrancisKlein> correct
Dec 12 21:29:51 <FrancisKlein> thats all
Dec 12 21:29:57 <kusanagi> Awesome.
Dec 12 21:30:22 <kusanagi> Onward to the agenda item: finishing the nominations.
Dec 12 21:30:43 <FrancisKlein> is bluestreak coming?
Dec 12 21:30:50 <K`Tetch> ok, I'll accept Bradly's nomination of me for Vice-Chair
Dec 12 21:30:51 <kusanagi> She just had surgery
Dec 12 21:30:54 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 12 21:31:34 <kusanagi> Are there any other nominations anyone would like to put forward?
Dec 12 21:31:38 <kusanagi> K`Tetch: noted.
Dec 12 21:31:39 <Rush> Who the hell is Bradly
Dec 12 21:31:47 <K`Tetch> not sure if I'll accept OyajiVyse's nomination of me for Chairman
Dec 12 21:32:02 <K`Tetch> its Bradley where my e's not working right
Dec 12 21:32:13 <Rush> lol
Dec 12 21:32:15 * K`Tetch is going to have to return this keyboard
Dec 12 21:32:36 <K`Tetch> keys sometimes won't go down
Dec 12 21:32:41 <kusanagi> K`Tetch: understandable
Dec 12 21:32:47 <kusanagi> Press harder
Dec 12 21:32:55 <K`Tetch> its like the movement sticks
Dec 12 21:33:19 <K`Tetch> anyway
Dec 12 21:34:46 <kusanagi> jyaworski and I were also nominated
Dec 12 21:35:20 <kusanagi> but again, any other nominations to put forward for the PNC officers?
Dec 12 21:35:29 <FrancisKlein> unsure...
Dec 12 21:35:30 <kusanagi> jokeefe, FrancisKlein Bosun?
Dec 12 21:35:51 <FrancisKlein> I've thought about it, but most of the nominations I wanted to make have already been done
Dec 12 21:36:00 <kusanagi> You can second a nomination
Dec 12 21:36:02 <FrancisKlein> I'm looking at one other possibility
Dec 12 21:36:04 <FrancisKlein> i know
Dec 12 21:36:24 <FrancisKlein> just want to see if there are any new ones I want to make first
Dec 12 21:36:42 <FrancisKlein> nominations would be made as the State, correct?
Dec 12 21:36:49 <kusanagi> Yes
Dec 12 21:36:59 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 12 21:41:18 <K`Tetch> so....
Dec 12 21:41:50 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: anyone?
Dec 12 21:41:59 <FrancisKlein> yes, just a sec
Dec 12 21:42:02 <FrancisKlein> typing
Dec 12 21:43:43 <FrancisKlein> The state of Wisconsin Pirate Party seconds the nomination of K'Tetch for Captain, (and strongly encourages him to accept), seconds the nomination of jyaworski to QM, and nominates BlueStreak for 1st officer
Dec 12 21:44:02 <kusanagi> Real names, please.
Dec 12 21:44:04 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 12 21:44:08 <FrancisKlein> sorry
Dec 12 21:44:19 <kusanagi> and Blue can't take a nomination, as she's serving on the election committee.
Dec 12 21:44:30 <FrancisKlein> right
Dec 12 21:46:20 <kusanagi> jokeefe: do you want to put any nominations forward?
Dec 12 21:47:11 <FrancisKlein> The state of Wisconsin Pirate Party seconds the nomination of Andrew Norton for Captain, (and strongly encourages him to accept), seconds the nomination of Joseph Yaworski to QM, and nominates Lindsay-Anne Brunner for 1st officer
Dec 12 21:47:49 <FrancisKlein> which is also a second
Dec 12 21:48:00 <FrancisKlein> I'm really good at typing, you guys
Dec 12 21:48:05 <FrancisKlein> except not
Dec 12 21:48:10 <kusanagi> I was only nominated for Capt. by FL lol
Dec 12 21:48:15 <kusanagi> so, close enough
Dec 12 21:48:19 <FrancisKlein> Ok
Dec 12 21:48:29 <FrancisKlein> nevermind again
Dec 12 21:48:57 <K`Tetch> I was nominated for vice chair then, and lindsay for Chair
Dec 12 21:49:13 <jokeefe> we have no nominations, though I will say that one week for nominations seems short to me
Dec 12 21:49:56 <FrancisKlein> K'Tetch, do you accept the nomination, or still decline?
Dec 12 21:49:59 <kusanagi> it was discussed at length, and I specifically brought that concern up to the PNC
Dec 12 21:50:10 <kusanagi> jokeefe: ^
Dec 12 21:53:06 <kusanagi> Ok
Dec 12 21:53:25 <kusanagi> Rush: I accept the nomination from the FLPP for Captain
Dec 12 21:54:21 <Rush> Excellent.
Dec 12 21:55:03 <K`Tetch> FrancisKlein - pm
Dec 12 21:58:14 * zby (~quassel@pl.pirate) has joined #pnc
Dec 12 21:59:24 * zby_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
Dec 12 22:02:54 <Bosun> rather quiet.
Dec 12 22:02:59 <kusanagi> it is
Dec 12 22:03:42 <Bosun> we have people for all position?
Dec 12 22:04:09 <FrancisKlein> Andrew and I are having a fisticuffs in the pm
Dec 12 22:04:27 <K`Tetch> hardly
Dec 12 22:04:39 <FrancisKlein> joking
Dec 12 22:04:56 <Bosun> no bruises to the face ... he is running against Walker.
Dec 12 22:05:43 <FrancisKlein> Oh, no worries... Unless I suddenly go bald on the top of my head I'll always have the one up on Walker in looks
Dec 12 22:06:55 <K`Tetch> ok, I accept the NY nomniation for Chair, with some caveats
Dec 12 22:07:09 <FrancisKlein> ?
Dec 12 22:07:12 <Bosun> I had hair like yours
Dec 12 22:07:14 <K`Tetch> (and the Wi seconding)
Dec 12 22:07:29 <FrancisKlein> what caveats?
Dec 12 22:07:48 <K`Tetch> the caveat being, since it's me and Liz nominated for both chair and vice, that we have a single election, winner = chair, loser = vice
Dec 12 22:08:21 <Rush> Ooh, that's gonna be a fun election
Dec 12 22:08:51 <K`Tetch> seems like it'd be the easier way to run it
Dec 12 22:08:57 <FrancisKlein> unless any other nominations come forward for chair and vice, I have no objections
Dec 12 22:09:22 <FrancisKlein> Actually, that is exactly what would happen anyway
Dec 12 22:09:29 <kusanagi> The other nominations have less than an hour to be put forward and accepted
Dec 12 22:09:37 <FrancisKlein> indeed
Dec 12 22:10:01 <jyaworski> I accept the nominations for Quartermaster.
Dec 12 22:10:18 <FrancisKlein> If any other nominations are put forward, the convention committee will have to run separate elections
Dec 12 22:10:22 <kusanagi> No
Dec 12 22:10:29 <FrancisKlein> ?
Dec 12 22:10:32 <kusanagi> They have till 11 pm tonight
Dec 12 22:10:43 <kusanagi> as agreed upon. The close of this week's PNC meeting
Dec 12 22:10:45 <FrancisKlein> well, I mean within the time frame
Dec 12 22:10:51 <FrancisKlein> yes of course
Dec 12 22:11:01 <kusanagi> OH
Dec 12 22:11:04 <kusanagi> I just realized
Dec 12 22:11:10 <FrancisKlein> ?
Dec 12 22:11:38 <FrancisKlein> is there something we're forgetting?
Dec 12 22:11:56 <kusanagi> no, what you meant
Dec 12 22:12:14 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 12 22:12:30 <kusanagi> I think that's going to be it for tonight.
Dec 12 22:12:36 <FrancisKlein> AOB
Dec 12 22:12:41 <FrancisKlein> but I don't have anything
Dec 12 22:12:43 <FrancisKlein> so,
Dec 12 22:12:46 <kusanagi> Anyone have anything for AOB?
Dec 12 22:12:46 <FrancisKlein> yeah
Dec 12 22:14:25 <FrancisKlein> sorry I said yeah for no reason - I do not have anything for AOB
Dec 12 22:14:44 <kusanagi> Any others? Rush, jokeefe Bosun
Dec 12 22:14:47 <K`Tetch> nope
Dec 12 22:14:50 <kusanagi> jyaworski: noted
Dec 12 22:15:55 <jokeefe> are there bios / statements we can use to assess the candidates
Dec 12 22:16:34 <K`Tetch> I can have one for tommorow
Dec 12 22:16:39 <K`Tetch> ... night
Dec 12 22:16:40 <Rush> I have nothing
Dec 12 22:16:48 <Bosun> please submit bios in digital form - in triplicate
Dec 12 22:16:49 <kusanagi> I can get one together as well.
Dec 12 22:17:14 <Bosun> we will get them on the web page
Dec 12 22:18:24 <K`Tetch> although as a starting point there's http://ktetch.co.uk/about/
Dec 12 22:18:29 <Rush> ...
Dec 12 22:18:31 <kusanagi> They can go out via SAB
Dec 12 22:19:25 <FrancisKlein> I have to go
Dec 12 22:19:33 <FrancisKlein> will you lose quorum without me?
Dec 12 22:19:46 <kusanagi> We're actually good.
Dec 12 22:19:52 <kusanagi> If there's nothing more, we can close.
Dec 12 22:20:01 <FrancisKlein> move to close
Dec 12 22:20:03 <K`Tetch> since we're effectively waiting ou the clock, there's not really any need to be quorate
Dec 12 22:20:15 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 12 22:20:22 * Bosun has quit (Quit: Leaving)
Dec 12 22:20:40 <FrancisKlein> ... Will my leaving be the end of quorum, though?
Dec 12 22:20:46 <kusanagi> no
Dec 12 22:20:52 <kusanagi> We're actually over tonight
Dec 12 22:20:59 * Rush has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Dec 12 22:21:01 <kusanagi> lol
Dec 12 22:21:26 <FrancisKlein> ok bye
Dec 12 22:21:34 <FrancisKlein> do we need to close?
Dec 12 22:21:58 <FrancisKlein> and someone needs to stay on here in case there are any additional nominations before 11:00
Dec 12 22:22:33 <kusanagi> I'll be here
Dec 12 22:22:36 <FrancisKlein> ok thanks
Dec 12 22:22:40 <FrancisKlein> goodnight
Dec 12 22:22:40 <K`Tetch> and me
Dec 12 22:22:51 * FrancisKlein has quit (Quit: Web client closed)
Dec 12 22:27:34 <kusanagi> woo
Dec 12 22:29:31 <K`Tetch> since were here, I'd like to propose forming a press group
Dec 12 22:29:41 <K`Tetch> at some point in the new year
Dec 12 22:29:51 <K`Tetch> (this is a discussion, to fill time, not a proposal)
Dec 12 22:31:15 <kusanagi> That was something I want as well
Dec 12 22:31:31 <kusanagi> I was mentioning it to someone who was interested in helping us with that today.
Dec 12 22:32:08 <kusanagi> I'd like it to be a bigger than just press, though.
Dec 12 22:32:21 <kusanagi> Social media, press
Dec 12 22:32:32 <K`Tetch> social media is a bit different
Dec 12 22:32:32 <kusanagi> oh, articles for the site.
Dec 12 22:32:42 <K`Tetch> press is more 'creating',
Dec 12 22:33:14 <K`Tetch> I'd also like state party site articles to always be mirrored on the national site
Dec 12 22:33:41 <K`Tetch> automatically, if possible
Dec 12 22:35:02 <kusanagi> absolutely.
Dec 12 22:43:26 <jokeefe> heading to bed. have a wonderful night all.
Dec 12 22:44:00 <K`Tetch> ok, night James
Dec 12 22:44:04 * jokeefe has quit (Quit: jokeefe)
Dec 12 22:44:38 <kusanagi> And then there were 3.
Dec 12 22:48:04 <K`Tetch> ooh, who can the murderer be?
Dec 12 22:51:28 <kusanagi> heh
Dec 12 22:51:57 <K`Tetch> well, 4 of us here
Dec 12 22:52:05 <K`Tetch> you, me, OyajiVyse and jyaworski
Dec 12 22:53:23 <kusanagi> jy isn't afk?
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 13 15:16:49 2013
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USPP Home/Party Updates

2013-12-17T01:14:31Z

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USPP Home/Party Updates

2013-12-06T18:59:05Z

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PNC 12/4/13

2013-12-06T18:58:00Z

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=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 12/4/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_12/4/13

==Minutes==
'''Record of the meeting'''

IT Committee report

Proposal put forth to choose members of the Election committee from the members of the convention committee
*Discussion, all agreed
*Motion put forth to choose members of the Election committee from the members of the convention committee
**3 yea, 1 abstain. Motion Passed

Motion to elect Lucia Fiero, Jon Tietz, and Francis Klein as members of the Election Committee, with Francis Klein as chair
*4 yea, 0 abstain. Motion Passed

Motion to set the deadline for officer nominations to be Wednesday, December 11th before the PNC meeting is adjourned, and time of voting to be Wednesday, December 18th at the regular PNC meeting time.
*4 yea, 0 abstain. Motion Passed

== 1 - ATTENDEES ==
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
'''Attending'''
*Francis Klein - WI
*Bradley Hall - FL
*Lucia Fiero - MA
*Daniel Gorski - NY
'''Excused'''
*N/A
'''Unexcused'''
*GA
*WA
*OR

'''Probation'''

==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====
Jon Tietz - FL member

== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ==
*Meeting called to order at: 9:06 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 4 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes

== 3 - Review of previous minutes ==
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_10/9/13

== 4 - REPORTS ==

==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====
*New website is up and running, but not complete yet
**Wiki page and mods should be done by next week

== 5 - Agenda Items ==

*Proposal to appoint election committee from convention committee

*Proposal to appoint 3 members of election committee as an interim captain and vote counters

*Proposal for election committee to facilitate a meeting at which nominations are made

*Proposal to set deadline for officer nominations and elections of officers

== - AOB - ==
Post notifications about nominations on USPP social media

----
*Next meeting: 2013-12-11 at 9:00 PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 10:28 PM EDT
----

=== Logs of the Meeting ===
<pre>
Dec 04 21:06:55 <kusanagi> time is now 9.06PM EST, I call this meeting to order
Dec 04 21:07:17 <Bluestreak> *now* I ID?
Dec 04 21:07:24 <Bluestreak> :-D
Dec 04 21:07:31 <kusanagi> Those participating, please identify with your full name and state party you represent
Dec 04 21:07:36 <FrancisKlein> Francis Klein WIPP
Dec 04 21:07:45 <Rush> No, I'm in Jacksonville. Blayne is Tallahassee
Dec 04 21:07:49 <kusanagi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, Capt
Dec 04 21:07:58 <Rush> Bradley Hall, FLPP Rep, Jacksonville FL
Dec 04 21:08:02 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NYPP Rep
Dec 04 21:08:18 <MeisterX> Jon Tietz, FLPP member
Dec 04 21:09:09 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero MA rep
Dec 04 21:09:23 <Bluestreak> MAPP
Dec 04 21:10:09 <kusanagi> awesome, welcome guys
Dec 04 21:10:22 <kusanagi> hope your thanksgiving was lovely, on to business
Dec 04 21:10:26 <kusanagi> first up, committee reports.
Dec 04 21:10:33 <kusanagi> IT committee report first..
Dec 04 21:10:43 <FrancisKlein> ok just a sec
Dec 04 21:11:13 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: for future notice, Joseph really should be here at start of the meeting.
Dec 04 21:12:00 <FrancisKlein> new website is up and running, but not everything has been finished yet - we is going to get a wiki page up and all the page mods installed by next week
Dec 04 21:12:09 <FrancisKlein> and he's still at work - not his fault
Dec 04 21:12:14 <kusanagi> That's okay
Dec 04 21:12:16 <FrancisKlein> server issues at job
Dec 04 21:12:25 <kusanagi> Ugh, not fun stuff.
Dec 04 21:12:41 <kusanagi> very good! glad to hear progress has been made!
Dec 04 21:12:52 <FrancisKlein> other than that, nothing much to report. Will send out an email to sab with website address soon
Dec 04 21:13:06 <kusanagi> wait, a new address as well?
Dec 04 21:13:11 <FrancisKlein> *temporary address
Dec 04 21:13:13 <FrancisKlein> sorry
Dec 04 21:13:28 <kusanagi> we're still going to have uspirates.org, though, right?
Dec 04 21:13:31 <FrancisKlein> so that we can double check it before implementation
Dec 04 21:13:34 <FrancisKlein> i think so
Dec 04 21:13:39 <kusanagi> (bare with me, web is not my strong suit)
Dec 04 21:13:43 <FrancisKlein> neither mine
Dec 04 21:13:49 <FrancisKlein> im just typing what he told me
Dec 04 21:13:57 <kusanagi> gotcha
Dec 04 21:14:01 <kusanagi> that's everything?
Dec 04 21:14:04 <FrancisKlein> yep
Dec 04 21:14:06 <MeisterX> I caught a notice on SAB about a github with the americanized Pirate WordPress theme. Just wanted to note on the IT front (without interrupting) that it would be extremely helpful to our own efforts to have that.
Dec 04 21:14:24 <FrancisKlein> for the FLPP to have it?
Dec 04 21:14:28 <MeisterX> Yes
Dec 04 21:14:32 <FrancisKlein> I'll send him a not
Dec 04 21:14:34 <FrancisKlein> *note
Dec 04 21:14:41 <MeisterX> Ty
Dec 04 21:14:44 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: ^
Dec 04 21:14:59 <FrancisKlein> ?
Dec 04 21:17:12 <FrancisKlein> Convention committee has nothing to report as we are waiting on the voting from the proposals tonight
Dec 04 21:18:25 <kusanagi> gotcha
Dec 04 21:18:37 <FrancisKlein> I just messages bosun, he says when he finished all the loose ends with the github he will make it public and send an sab email
Dec 04 21:18:44 <kusanagi> I'm having some ping issues.
Dec 04 21:18:48 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 04 21:18:49 <Bluestreak> Mass Pirates offer assistance with setting up the wordpress template thingy
Dec 04 21:19:05 <FrancisKlein> I'll tell bosun that as well
Dec 04 21:19:11 <kusanagi> So if I stall, it's on my end. Doesn't help that the server may be having issues tonight
Dec 04 21:19:34 <MeisterX> Excellent. I got the German version working but.... It's in German so I can't get some features working
Dec 04 21:19:44 <FrancisKlein> when I said server issues, I was talking about Bosun's job - not uspp
Dec 04 21:19:47 <FrancisKlein> just fyi
Dec 04 21:20:07 <kusanagi> I know, I'm talking about PirateIRC
Dec 04 21:20:12 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 04 21:20:15 <FrancisKlein> wasnt sure
Dec 04 21:20:23 <kusanagi> It would be funny
Dec 04 21:20:32 <kusanagi> anyway, onward to agenda items
Dec 04 21:20:42 <Bluestreak> Do I have your email, Meister X?
Dec 04 21:21:33 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: as these were your proposals on behalf of USPP Convention Committee, would you like to take the floor
Dec 04 21:21:35 <kusanagi> ?
Dec 04 21:21:40 <FrancisKlein> absolutely
Dec 04 21:21:42 <Bluestreak> sutralu@gmail.com... email me and I will forward it to Jamie and Steve the guys who got the MPP page up from the German
Dec 04 21:22:00 <Bluestreak> Sorry slow typer
Dec 04 21:22:07 <FrancisKlein> its ok
Dec 04 21:22:10 <kusanagi> that's okay.
Dec 04 21:22:14 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: floor is yours
Dec 04 21:22:27 <FrancisKlein> The first proposal i made in sab is null because it was never needed
Dec 04 21:22:31 <FrancisKlein> on to the second!
Dec 04 21:22:42 <FrancisKlein> I propose that, for the purposes of efficiency, the members of the election committee be picked from the members of the convention committee. This is because these members have already discussed what will be happening at the elections and the method of balloting, etc.
Dec 04 21:23:24 <FrancisKlein> If we would like, I would entertain a motion that this be written into the bylaws, although I think it unnecessary.
Dec 04 21:24:40 <kusanagi> bylaws amending should take place after the election, to amke it more clear for the next round
Dec 04 21:24:46 <FrancisKlein> agrees
Dec 04 21:24:48 <FrancisKlein> *agreed
Dec 04 21:25:05 <FrancisKlein> is there any discussion? Otherwise, I can make it into a motion quickly
Dec 04 21:27:07 <OyajiVyse> sounds good to me
Dec 04 21:27:16 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 04 21:27:18 <FrancisKlein> cool
Dec 04 21:27:20 <kusanagi> Bluestreak, Rush, what do you guys think?
Dec 04 21:27:52 <Rush> I think it's okay
Dec 04 21:28:31 <Bluestreak> Fine by me
Dec 04 21:28:36 <FrancisKlein> I move that the PNC chose the members of the election committee from the members of the convention committee.
Dec 04 21:28:46 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Dec 04 21:28:52 <kusanagi> I'd go ahead, FrancisKlein
Dec 04 21:30:09 <kusanagi> motion: the PNC choose members of the Election committee from the members of the convention committee. Vote yay or nay please, vote concludes at 9.34PM
Dec 04 21:30:29 <FrancisKlein> yay
Dec 04 21:30:53 <OyajiVyse> yay
Dec 04 21:31:06 <Rush> yay
Dec 04 21:32:46 <kusanagi> Bluestreak
Dec 04 21:34:35 <kusanagi> Vote called, OyajiVyse, the count?
Dec 04 21:34:46 <OyajiVyse> 3 yay, 1 abstain
Dec 04 21:34:50 <OyajiVyse> motion passed
Dec 04 21:35:16 <Bluestreak> sorry kids
Dec 04 21:35:18 <kusanagi> Wonderful.
Dec 04 21:35:22 <kusanagi> Yay
Dec 04 21:35:30 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: next?
Dec 04 21:35:49 <FrancisKlein> cool
Dec 04 21:36:13 <FrancisKlein> I propose that the PNC begin the election process by picking the members of the PNC who will form the election committee (pursuant to the bylaws). This election committee will, per the bylaws, have the role of facilitating the voting, counting the votes, and acting as interim captain for the duration of the election meeting.
Dec 04 21:36:41 <FrancisKlein> I propose that the PNC select three members to be the election committee, the first being the interim captain, and the second second and third helping to tally votes.
Dec 04 21:37:20 <FrancisKlein> So basically, I would like the PNC to select the members of the election committee now and that they should pick three members
Dec 04 21:37:47 <Bluestreak> moved?
Dec 04 21:37:54 <FrancisKlein> three is the minimum for the bylaws
Dec 04 21:37:55 <kusanagi> Not yet
Dec 04 21:38:06 <FrancisKlein> any thoughts?
Dec 04 21:38:07 <kusanagi> how many are on the convention committee?
Dec 04 21:38:10 <FrancisKlein> objections?
Dec 04 21:38:31 <Bluestreak> no
Dec 04 21:39:33 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: yes, since the previous motion just passed, we'd already have those eligible, they need to be members of the con committee
Dec 04 21:39:50 <FrancisKlein> officially, I think only jon and I. However, matmuck, jyaworski, kusanagi, jon, and bosun were present at the meeting
Dec 04 21:40:05 <kusanagi> who exactly is on the com committee, and well, what roles would they prefer
Dec 04 21:40:19 <kusanagi> I don't count, I can't serve due to a potential conflict.
Dec 04 21:40:36 <FrancisKlein> I volunteer as chair for the election committee
Dec 04 21:40:45 <FrancisKlein> other than that, I believe jon was willing to help
Dec 04 21:40:54 <MeisterX> I'll fill in wherever needed
Dec 04 21:41:03 <FrancisKlein> I don't recall any other volunteers, and was hoping to find one more
Dec 04 21:41:42 <FrancisKlein> but the convention committee is pretty much open right now, the limitation that the election committee come from convention is more for later years
Dec 04 21:41:53 <Bluestreak> I can help. Shouldn't be too hard
Dec 04 21:42:09 <FrancisKlein> are you willing to be on convention committee as well?
Dec 04 21:42:14 <Bluestreak> Getting surgery this month so I will be at home a lot
Dec 04 21:42:24 <Bluestreak> rather than in the streets or at meetings etc.
Dec 04 21:42:33 <Bluestreak> Sure, why not
Dec 04 21:42:36 <FrancisKlein> and you're not running for any position?
Dec 04 21:42:39 <Bluestreak> If I can work from home.
Dec 04 21:42:43 <Bluestreak> No
Dec 04 21:42:46 <FrancisKlein> cool
Dec 04 21:42:47 <Bluestreak> I don't want to run
Dec 04 21:42:54 <Bluestreak> I have too much to do in MA
Dec 04 21:43:00 <FrancisKlein> thats good enough for me. Kusanagi?
Dec 04 21:43:09 <FrancisKlein> that's three.
Dec 04 21:43:23 <kusanagi> that's fine by me
Dec 04 21:43:31 <Bluestreak> Yay
Dec 04 21:43:55 <FrancisKlein> If there is debate over whether or not it should be us three, I would ask that it be brought up now
Dec 04 21:45:21 <FrancisKlein> Seeing no objections, I move that the PNC select Bluestreak, FrancisKlein, and MeisterX as the members of the election committee, and FrancisKlein as their chair.
Dec 04 21:46:51 <Bluestreak> Can I 2nd my own nom?
Dec 04 21:47:06 <FrancisKlein> I think you can...
Dec 04 21:47:14 <Bluestreak> 2nd then
Dec 04 21:47:37 <kusanagi> you can 2nd
Dec 04 21:47:57 <kusanagi> motion: the PNC select Bluestreak, FrancisKlein, and MeisterX as the members of the election committee, and FrancisKlein as their chair.
Dec 04 21:48:16 <kusanagi> For the record, if you want to modify the motion with real names, that may be a good idea
Dec 04 21:48:30 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero: Bluestreak
Dec 04 21:48:43 <Bluestreak> Oops hehe
Dec 04 21:48:55 <Bluestreak> Trying to eat while I follow.
Dec 04 21:49:06 <MeisterX> MeisterX: Jon Tietz
Dec 04 21:49:06 <kusanagi> that's okay
Dec 04 21:49:19 <kusanagi> I was talking to FrancisKlein, as it's his motion
Dec 04 21:49:31 <FrancisKlein> friendly amend accepted - I move that the PNC select Lucia Fiero, Jon Tietz, and Francis Klein as the members of the election committee, and Francis Klein as their chair
Dec 04 21:49:48 <kusanagi> good
Dec 04 21:50:15 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Dec 04 21:50:45 <kusanagi> motion: the PNC select Lucia Fiero, Jon Tietz, and Francis Klein as the members of the election committee, and FrancisKlein as their chair.
Dec 04 21:51:05 <kusanagi> Vote yay or nay please, vote concludes at 9.54PM
Dec 04 21:51:08 <FrancisKlein> yay
Dec 04 21:51:13 <MeisterX> Yay
Dec 04 21:51:37 <Bluestreak> yay
Dec 04 21:51:45 <OyajiVyse> yay
Dec 04 21:51:53 <Rush> yay!
Dec 04 21:52:11 <Brendan> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/817/is-yay-or-nay-an-acceptable-alternative-to-yea-or-nay
Dec 04 21:52:43 <kusanagi> Brendan: PM please
Dec 04 21:53:13 <kusanagi> vote called, OyajiVyse, count
Dec 04 21:54:58 <OyajiVyse> 4 yay, 0 abstain
Dec 04 21:55:02 <OyajiVyse> motion passed
Dec 04 21:55:32 <FrancisKlein> next?
Dec 04 21:56:18 <kusanagi> yes, next.
Dec 04 21:56:39 <kusanagi> >Proposal to set deadline for officer nominations to 12/4/2013 and elections of officers on 12/11/2013
Dec 04 21:57:05 <kusanagi> obviously, it's a bit late for tose dates, but we can change, no big
Dec 04 21:57:17 <Bluestreak> agreed very late
Dec 04 21:57:25 <FrancisKlein> well, the next one was this: I propose that, because there is no captain to facilitate such a process, the election committee facilitate the meeting at which nominations are made as well.
Dec 04 21:57:29 <FrancisKlein> but yes, that too
Dec 04 21:57:59 <FrancisKlein> in lieu of going through the whole process, I will just make a giant motion
Dec 04 21:58:12 <kusanagi> captain for that process is head of convention
Dec 04 21:58:36 <FrancisKlein> right
Dec 04 21:58:37 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 04 21:58:47 <FrancisKlein> then ignore that proposal
Dec 04 21:58:53 <FrancisKlein> what dates do you think?
Dec 04 21:59:06 <FrancisKlein> the 11th and 18th?
Dec 04 21:59:22 <Bluestreak> Better
Dec 04 21:59:26 <FrancisKlein> the week after is christmas
Dec 04 21:59:28 <FrancisKlein> so...
Dec 04 22:00:10 <kusanagi> yeah.
Dec 04 22:00:25 <FrancisKlein> the 11th and 18th, then?
Dec 04 22:00:33 <kusanagi> I don't know if that would be enough time; Jamie O'Keefe from MA said that may be an issue
Dec 04 22:00:59 <FrancisKlein> otherwise it would have to be the 18th and 1st of january, but that won't really work
Dec 04 22:01:12 <FrancisKlein> wednesdays are not good for meetings this time of year
Dec 04 22:01:14 <FrancisKlein> dang
Dec 04 22:01:21 <kusanagi> yeah
Dec 04 22:01:30 <kusanagi> this is why i really, really wanted things done last month.
Dec 04 22:01:44 <Bluestreak> What *would* be enough time?
Dec 04 22:01:52 <FrancisKlein> ^
Dec 04 22:02:17 <kusanagi> personally, i think the week is okay, but I'm not the ones deciding on nominations/voting
Dec 04 22:02:39 <Bluestreak> What issue did Jamie raise, exactly?
Dec 04 22:03:37 <kusanagi> It was over the SAB list. He felt it wasn't enough time.
Dec 04 22:03:58 <Bluestreak> One week isn't enough time?
Dec 04 22:04:03 <FrancisKlein> enough time to decide on the nominees?
Dec 04 22:04:08 <FrancisKlein> I think a week is fine
Dec 04 22:04:13 <Bluestreak> I do too
Dec 04 22:04:16 <FrancisKlein> thats plenty of time
Dec 04 22:04:27 <FrancisKlein> i could probably make the decision in five minutes
Dec 04 22:04:31 <Bluestreak> LOL
Dec 04 22:04:32 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: lol
Dec 04 22:04:59 * kusanagi slowclaps
Dec 04 22:05:06 <kusanagi> so, a week then
Dec 04 22:05:08 <Bluestreak> I read that message to the SAB. I took it as more of a suggestion
Dec 04 22:05:12 <Bluestreak> than a directive
Dec 04 22:05:14 <FrancisKlein> ok
Dec 04 22:05:19 <FrancisKlein> i think a week is good
Dec 04 22:06:16 <kusanagi> I agree, just wanted that issue raised as it was directly mentioned
Dec 04 22:06:47 <Bluestreak> I think if people aren't involved at this point waiting longer than a week won't matter
Dec 04 22:07:02 <Bluestreak> Ugh grand central station here. kids phone cat
Dec 04 22:07:28 <FrancisKlein> i move that the PNC set the deadline for officer nominations to be Wednesday, December 11th before the PNC meeting is adjourned, and time of voting to be Wednesday, December 18th at the regular PNC meeting time.
Dec 04 22:07:29 <Bluestreak> OK Full attention returned
Dec 04 22:07:33 <kusanagi> throw phone at one kid, throw cat at the other, problem solved
Dec 04 22:07:38 <Bluestreak> LOL
Dec 04 22:07:40 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Dec 04 22:08:11 <kusanagi> motion: the PNC set the deadline for officer nominations to be Wednesday, December 11th before the PNC meeting is adjourned, and time of voting to be Wednesday, December 18th at the regular PNC meeting time.
Dec 04 22:08:35 <kusanagi> Please vote, yea or nay. Vote is over at 10.13PM
Dec 04 22:08:39 <FrancisKlein> yea
Dec 04 22:08:48 <OyajiVyse> yea
Dec 04 22:08:51 <Bluestreak> yae
Dec 04 22:08:59 <Bluestreak> on phone agin
Dec 04 22:09:05 <Bluestreak> lol
Dec 04 22:10:00 <Rush> yay!
Dec 04 22:11:10 <MeisterX> Yay
Dec 04 22:11:31 <kusanagi> MeisterX: yout vote is invalid, not a state party rep
Dec 04 22:11:37 <kusanagi> vote called, OyajiVyse tally
Dec 04 22:11:49 <OyajiVyse> 4 yea, 0 abstain
Dec 04 22:11:52 <OyajiVyse> motion passed
Dec 04 22:12:46 <FrancisKlein> woooo
Dec 04 22:12:57 <MeisterX> Rgr
Dec 04 22:13:04 <kusanagi> awesome
Dec 04 22:13:07 <FrancisKlein> those are all of the proposals I had
Dec 04 22:13:22 <kusanagi> that appears to be everything for tonight for the agenda.
Dec 04 22:13:40 <kusanagi> for the record, FrancisKlein, what are the acceptable ways to nominate someone?
Dec 04 22:14:10 <FrancisKlein> I don't know the precedent
Dec 04 22:14:21 <FrancisKlein> so that is a wonderful question
Dec 04 22:14:45 <FrancisKlein> I would assume simply typing the phrase " I nominate _______" into regular chat at the meeting
Dec 04 22:14:49 <kusanagi> Well then
Dec 04 22:15:07 <kusanagi> SAB is allowable, as is during the meeting
Dec 04 22:15:18 <FrancisKlein> ok, that's what I thought
Dec 04 22:15:21 <Rush> Does that mean we're done? May I go now?
Dec 04 22:15:32 <kusanagi> If anyone is nominated and they want to run, you must accept the nomination
Dec 04 22:15:34 <kusanagi> Rush: no.
Dec 04 22:15:34 <Bluestreak> Nominations on SAB OK got it
Dec 04 22:15:46 <FrancisKlein> yes of course
Dec 04 22:15:54 <kusanagi> if the nomination is NOT accepted, you can't run.
Dec 04 22:15:58 <FrancisKlein> may people nominate themselves?
Dec 04 22:16:17 <kusanagi> Self-nomination is also okay, but I believe you need two state party reps to vouch for you
Dec 04 22:16:28 <FrancisKlein> yes, that sounds familiar
Dec 04 22:16:45 <kusanagi> Additional nomination information is in the bylaws.
Dec 04 22:17:08 <Bluestreak> I don't suppose you have a direct link? :-D
Dec 04 22:17:29 <FrancisKlein> convention will discuss more in the meeting this saturday
Dec 04 22:17:40 <kusanagi> not offhand
Dec 04 22:17:50 <kusanagi> all retained information, lol
Dec 04 22:17:58 <Bluestreak> lol
Dec 04 22:18:49 <Rush> When can I go
Dec 04 22:19:15 <kusanagi> Rush: In just a moment, rush
Dec 04 22:19:39 <kusanagi> Anything additional to go over tonight?
Dec 04 22:19:46 <kusanagi> we're on any other business
Dec 04 22:20:01 <FrancisKlein> no but
Dec 04 22:20:03 <Bluestreak> I have a motion
Dec 04 22:20:10 <FrancisKlein> sorry go ahead
Dec 04 22:20:21 <Bluestreak> That we announce the start of nominations on the blog and USPP FB page
Dec 04 22:20:36 <Bluestreak> and tweet it? Geez is USPP on twitter?
Dec 04 22:20:38 <kusanagi> that's not a motion
Dec 04 22:20:44 <kusanagi> yes we are on twitter
Dec 04 22:20:45 <Bluestreak> sigh
Dec 04 22:20:50 <kusanagi> @USPirates
Dec 04 22:21:15 <Bluestreak> I really suck at Robert
Dec 04 22:21:18 <Bluestreak> s Rules
Dec 04 22:21:31 <kusanagi> It's not even that, it's more of something that's a suggestion
Dec 04 22:21:45 <FrancisKlein> a well taken suggestion, though
Dec 04 22:21:50 <kusanagi> Don't worry about it, it's no problem
Dec 04 22:22:24 <kusanagi> We could, is there any particular reason why you'd want to do that?
Dec 04 22:22:50 <Bluestreak> Um Fairness?
Dec 04 22:23:01 <FrancisKlein> open transparent democracy
Dec 04 22:23:13 <Bluestreak> It would address the issue of "A week isn't enough time" and yes transparency too
Dec 04 22:23:38 <FrancisKlein> not simply open for people to look for the goings on, but actively advertising to the people what we are doing
Dec 04 22:23:41 <Bluestreak> If ppl aren't paying attention to the feed on the blog and socmed for a week...
Dec 04 22:23:48 <Bluestreak> then are they fit to BE nominated?
Dec 04 22:23:55 <FrancisKlein> wonderful point
Dec 04 22:24:20 <Bluestreak> I check MAPP page and our activist list daily.
Dec 04 22:24:25 <Bluestreak> (Sometimes twice)
Dec 04 22:24:48 * kusanagi nods
Dec 04 22:25:07 <kusanagi> I'll post a writeup on the blog, and throw links over tw and fb and g+
Dec 04 22:25:09 <Bluestreak> So if someone has the correct language to make that a motion...
Dec 04 22:25:13 <Bluestreak> OK
Dec 04 22:25:17 <Bluestreak> No motion needed
Dec 04 22:25:19 <Bluestreak> Thanks!
Dec 04 22:26:26 <kusanagi> yep
Dec 04 22:26:33 <kusanagi> Is that it for tonight?
Dec 04 22:26:41 <kusanagi> for the formal meeting, that is?
Dec 04 22:26:55 <FrancisKlein> move to adjourn.
Dec 04 22:27:04 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Dec 04 22:27:29 <kusanagi> vote to adjourn, yea or nay
Dec 04 22:27:32 <FrancisKlein> yea
Dec 04 22:27:35 <Bluestreak> yea
Dec 04 22:27:44 <OyajiVyse> yea
Dec 04 22:27:52 <Rush> yay
Dec 04 22:28:06 <kusanagi> OyajiVyse: vote called
Dec 04 22:28:10 <kusanagi> tally
Dec 04 22:28:35 <OyajiVyse> 4 yea, 0 abstain
Dec 04 22:28:39 <OyajiVyse> motion passed
Dec 04 22:28:45 <OyajiVyse> meeting adjourned
Dec 04 22:28:51 <FrancisKlein> kusanagi?
Dec 04 22:29:10 <FrancisKlein> I can't find the part of the bylaws that state the nomination process
Dec 04 22:29:20 <FrancisKlein> election, yes.
Dec 04 22:29:24 <FrancisKlein> not nomination
Dec 04 22:29:44 <Bluestreak> When you find it, send it to the SAB please?
Dec 04 22:29:52 <Bluestreak> Good night!
Dec 04 22:30:16 <OyajiVyse> Goodnight all
Dec 04 22:30:45 <kusanagi> meeting closed, have a good night
Dec 04 22:30:53 <kusanagi> we're on for next week, nominations are due
Dec 04 22:31:08 <kusanagi> Please submit any motions by Sunday, Monday the latest
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Pirate National Committee (PNC)

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{{USPP NAV}}
The Pirate National Committee is an assembly of representatives from each recognized state Pirate Party.

==PNC Membership==
===Member States (Primary Representative, Secondary Representative)===
*Florida (Bradley Hall)
*Georgia (Jarod Smith)
*Massachusetts (Lucia Fiero)
*New York (Daniel Gorski)
*Oregon (Kyle DeVore)
*Washington (Jeff Talada, Brady Dibble)
*Wisconsin (Joseph T. Klein, Megan Cochran, Francis Klein)

===Probationary States===
*California (Orion Steele, Max Bugrov)

===Observer States===
*[http://marylandpirates.com/ Maryland]
*Michigan
*Missouri

==Officers==
:'''Captain''': Lindsay-Anne Brunner
::'''Phone''':
::'''Email''':
:'''First Mate''': Caleb Langeslag
::'''Phone''':
::'''Email''':
:'''Quartermaster''': Daniel Gorski
::'''Phone''':
::'''Email''':

==Documents==
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Constitution|Constitution]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Policies|Policies]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Minutes|Meeting Minutes and Recordings]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/State Report | State Report]]

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Meeting Minutes

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{{PNC NAV}}
==2012==
{| style="width:100%;"
|-
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
===February===
===March===
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/25/12|4/25/12]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
*[[PNC 5/16/12|5/16/12]]
*[[PNC 5/23/12|5/23/12]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/6/12|6/6/12]]
*[[PNC 6/13/12|6/13/12]]
*[[PNC 6/20/12|6/20/12]]
*[[PNC 6/27/12|6/27/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===July===
*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/1/12|8/1/12]]
*[[PNC 8/8/12|8/8/12]]
*[[PNC 8/15/12|8/15/12]]
*[[PNC 8/22/12|8/22/12]]
*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
*[[PNC 9/12/12|9/12/12]]
*[[PNC 9/19/12|9/19/12]]
*[[PNC 9/26/12|9/26/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|'
===October===
*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
*[[PNC 10/10/12|10/10/12]]
*[[PNC 10/17/12|10/17/12]]
*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
|}
{{PNC NAV}}
==2013==
{| style="width:100%;"
|-
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
*[[PNC 1/9/13|1/9/13]]
*[[PNC 1/23/13|1/23/13]]
===February===
*[[PNC 2/6/13|2/6/13]]
===March===
*[[PNC 3/6/13|3/6/13]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/3/13|4/3/13]]
*[[PNC 4/10/13|4/10/13]]
*[[PNC 4/24/13|4/24/13]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/8/13|5/8/13]]
*[[PNC 5/22/13|5/22/13]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/12/13|6/12/13]]
*[[PNC 6/19/13|6/19/13]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===July===
*[[PNC 7/3/13|7/3/13]]
*[[PNC 7/24/13|7/24/13]]
*[[PNC 7/31/13|7/31/13]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/7/13|8/7/13]]
*[[PNC 8/14/13|8/14/13]]
*[[PNC 8/21/13|8/21/13]]
*[[PNC 8/28/13|8/28/13]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/4/13|9/4/13]]
*[[PNC 9/11/13|9/11/13]]
*[[PNC 9/18/13|9/18/13]]
*[[PNC 9/25/13|9/25/13]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===October===
*[[PNC 10/2/13|10/2/13]]
*[[PNC 10/9/13|10/9/13]]
===November===

===December===
*[[PNC 12/4/13|12/4/13]]
|}
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USPP Home/Party Updates

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''December 4th''
*''Meeting Scheduled''
''November 27th''
*''Meeting Postponed''
''October 9th''
*[[PNC 10/9/13| PNC Meeting]]
''October 2nd''
*[[PNC 10/2/13| PNC Meeting]]
''September 25th''
*[[PNC 9/25/13| PNC Meeting]]
''September 18th''
*''No Meeting''
''September 11th''
*[[PNC 9/11/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''September 4th''
*[[PNC 9/4/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 28th''
*[[PNC 8/28/13| PNC Meeting]]
''August 21st''
*[[PNC 8/21/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 14th''
*''No Meeting''
''August 7th''
*[[PNC 8/7/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
'''''Minutes before this point were lost during a move to a new host. Sorry for the inconvenience.'''''
 
''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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PNC 11/27/13

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USPP Home/Party Updates

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''November 27th''
*''Meeting Scheduled''
''October 9th''
*[[PNC 10/9/13| PNC Meeting]]
''October 2nd''
*[[PNC 10/2/13| PNC Meeting]]
''September 25th''
*[[PNC 9/25/13| PNC Meeting]]
''September 18th''
*''No Meeting''
''September 11th''
*[[PNC 9/11/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''September 4th''
*[[PNC 9/4/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 28th''
*[[PNC 8/28/13| PNC Meeting]]
''August 21st''
*[[PNC 8/21/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 14th''
*''No Meeting''
''August 7th''
*[[PNC 8/7/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
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''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
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''November 5th''
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PNC 10/9/13

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=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 10/9/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_10/9/13

==Minutes==
IT Report

Probation of non-active PNC members
*Motion called to put CA and WA on one month's probationary status
**5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion passed
**CA and WA are on probation at least until November 9th, 2013, unless otherwise reinstated by PNC vote

Proposal: Convention Committee formation, focus, and scope, where a document with the committee's purpose and charter shall be presented
*first draft of document presented: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174944369/Convention-Committee
*Motion to create a convention committee under the subcommittee bylaws of the PNC with the specific purpose of organizing the logistics and recruiting help for setting up each Pirate convention set forth by either motion or bylaws of the PNC.
**5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion passed
**Convention Committee created, meeting Saturday October 12th at 8pm EDT on #uspp-con

== 1 - ATTENDEES ==
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
'''Attending'''
*Stephen Smith - FL
*Kyle DeVore - OR
*Lucia Fiero - MA
*Francis Klein - WI
*Daniel Gorski - NY

'''Excused'''
*GA

'''Unexcused'''
*CA
*WA

'''Probation'''
*CA
*WA

==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====

== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ==
*Meeting called to order at: 9:08 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes

== 3 - Review of previous minutes ==
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_10/2/13

== 4 - REPORTS ==

=====IT Committee=====
*Nothing to report
*Next meeting October 12th at 7:00 pm EDT

== 5 - Agenda Items ==

*Probation of non-active PNC members
*Proposal: Convention Committee formation, focus, and scope, where a document with the committee's purpose and charter shall be presented
*Proposal: Content Committee formation, focus, and scope
*Press release re: gov shutdown

== - AOB - ==

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*Next meeting: October 23 at 9:00 PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 10:54 PM EDT
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=== Logs of the Meeting ===
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Oct 09 21:09:11 <kusanagi> Time is now 9:08PM EDT, please identify for the record with name, state of residence and role.
Oct 09 21:09:22 <kusanagi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY, Capt.
Oct 09 21:09:36 <kusanagi> I also call the meeting to order
Oct 09 21:09:39 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NY Rep
Oct 09 21:09:49 <narrenburg> Steven Smith, FL Rep
Oct 09 21:09:56 * lavender (~purplepet@m-14-778-693-64.hsd7.ut.comcast.net) has joined #pnc
Oct 09 21:10:16 <MrSquared> Kyle DeVore, Oregon Rep
Oct 09 21:11:00 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero MA rep
Oct 09 21:11:29 <FrancisKlein> Francis Klein, WI
Oct 09 21:11:42 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: are you the representative for WI tonight?
Oct 09 21:11:53 <FrancisKlein> yes
Oct 09 21:12:02 <kusanagi> Thanks for clarifying.
Oct 09 21:12:39 <kusanagi> If you all don't mind, please check over the agenda to ensure it's correct for tonight
Oct 09 21:13:52 <narrenburg> Sounds good.
Oct 09 21:14:05 * kusanagi gives voice to Bluestreak
Oct 09 21:15:10 <OyajiVyse> Looks good to me
Oct 09 21:15:11 <kusanagi> ping FrancisKlein MrSquared Bluestreak
Oct 09 21:15:21 <FrancisKlein> yes good
Oct 09 21:15:24 <MrSquared> looks fine
Oct 09 21:15:31 <Bluestreak> Looks good
Oct 09 21:15:49 <kusanagi> Awesome, first up, IT committee..
Oct 09 21:15:54 <kusanagi> Anyone from IT here?
Oct 09 21:16:15 <FrancisKlein> Ummm...
Oct 09 21:16:19 <FrancisKlein> let me call him.
Oct 09 21:17:33 <FrancisKlein> no answer, so I'm going to say no
Oct 09 21:17:41 <FrancisKlein> I don't think there was a meeting - again
Oct 09 21:17:52 <FrancisKlein> or at least not a sucessful one
Oct 09 21:18:06 <FrancisKlein> oh wait
Oct 09 21:18:30 <FrancisKlein> on the phone with him - IT meeting did not happen. nothing to report.
Oct 09 21:18:37 <kusanagi> Even if there's two people, there should be something going on.
Oct 09 21:19:01 <kusanagi> Time for the meetings are at 7pm on Saturday Eastern time, right?
Oct 09 21:19:07 <FrancisKlein> yes.
Oct 09 21:19:22 <FrancisKlein> He says we will get his act together and set up what is needed tonight for a meeting on Sat.
Oct 09 21:19:40 <FrancisKlein> This is Bosun I'm talking about, by the way
Oct 09 21:19:43 <kusanagi> Interesting choice of wording there
Oct 09 21:19:48 <kusanagi> lol
Oct 09 21:20:09 <kusanagi> There should be access to the site, even if it's just the wordpress logins
Oct 09 21:20:42 <kusanagi> I'd like good news before next Wednesday, pretty please
Oct 09 21:20:57 <FrancisKlein> He has been notified
Oct 09 21:21:08 <kusanagi> Thank you
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Oct 09 21:21:45 <kusanagi> That's all for IT.
Oct 09 21:22:01 <kusanagi> Moving onward to the agenda items
Oct 09 21:22:16 * tsquar3d (webchat@737-750-99-468.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined #pnc
Oct 09 21:22:47 <kusanagi> first up
Oct 09 21:22:56 <kusanagi> Probation of non-active PNC members
Oct 09 21:23:13 <kusanagi> We have spoken at extreme lengths about this
Oct 09 21:24:07 <Bluestreak> Aye
Oct 09 21:24:16 <kusanagi> Any additional comments or motions?
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Oct 09 21:27:32 <MrSquared> Well, do we have any plan of action?
Oct 09 21:27:42 <OyajiVyse> as we went over in the past, the states in question would be put on probation
Oct 09 21:27:47 <OyajiVyse> for a month
Oct 09 21:27:51 <Bluestreak> Let's do it.
Oct 09 21:28:06 <kusanagi> someone's gotta make the motion
Oct 09 21:28:10 <FrancisKlein> Note for the chair - This is midterms week for me, I have not created the documents I promised. As that is the case, I would appreciate the postponing of those subjects until any other business has been taken care of.
Oct 09 21:28:35 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: understood
Oct 09 21:29:30 <Bluestreak> I move we place non active PNC members on one month's probation
Oct 09 21:29:57 <kusanagi> Bluestreak: please specify which members, for the record
Oct 09 21:30:10 <Bluestreak> California
Oct 09 21:30:29 <Bluestreak> OK I don't remember who else.
Oct 09 21:30:47 <Bluestreak> (lilhelp?)
Oct 09 21:30:53 <narrenburg> IIRC, Washington is has been inactive enough to count.
Oct 09 21:30:55 <kusanagi> OK was fully removed from the PNC
Oct 09 21:31:20 <narrenburg> Don't mind the improper grammar, please.
Oct 09 21:31:52 <kusanagi> I didn't notice till you pointed it out
Oct 09 21:33:20 <kusanagi> Bluestreak: gonna ask that you redo the motion.
Oct 09 21:33:41 <Bluestreak> crafting
Oct 09 21:34:13 <Bluestreak> I move we place PNC members California and Washington on one month's probation for inactivity.
Oct 09 21:34:52 <OyajiVyse> second
Oct 09 21:34:57 <kusanagi> I'll accept that
Oct 09 21:34:59 <kusanagi> and boom
Oct 09 21:35:13 <kusanagi> All in favor?
Oct 09 21:35:14 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 09 21:35:16 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 09 21:35:19 <narrenburg> Aye.
Oct 09 21:35:20 <MrSquared> aye
Oct 09 21:36:05 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 09 21:36:26 <kusanagi> Vote called. Tally?
Oct 09 21:36:35 <OyajiVyse> 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain
Oct 09 21:36:47 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it, motion passed
Oct 09 21:37:08 <kusanagi> Please note that WA and CA are on probation for one month.
Oct 09 21:37:18 <kusanagi> Further attempt to CA will be made.
Oct 09 21:37:24 <kusanagi> contact CA*
Oct 09 21:37:58 <Bluestreak> I FBed Jeff Taleda
Oct 09 21:38:16 <Bluestreak> Talada
Oct 09 21:38:46 <kusanagi> Thank you
Oct 09 21:41:10 <Bluestreak> (He's not on right now)
Oct 09 21:41:25 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: are you perchance ready?
Oct 09 21:41:31 <FrancisKlein> no
Oct 09 21:41:33 <FrancisKlein> i wish
Oct 09 21:41:46 <FrancisKlein> working on it, though
Oct 09 21:42:42 <FrancisKlein> Did you have anything about the PR?
Oct 09 21:43:10 <kusanagi> I did not -- no one stayed after the meeting and Toby woke up.
Oct 09 21:44:21 <kusanagi> If someone has something written from the state parties sites, we can cross post it
Oct 09 21:44:34 <kusanagi> PPGA just did, if you've not seen the site
Oct 09 21:47:42 <Bluestreak> I'm sorry... PR?
Oct 09 21:48:17 <kusanagi> Press release
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Oct 09 21:50:08 <Bluestreak> OK ty
Oct 09 21:50:12 <kusanagi> no problem
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Oct 09 21:54:08 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: when do you think you'll complete the documents? We can hold off the meeting for a bit, but not very long.
Oct 09 21:54:31 <FrancisKlein> I can complete convention committee very soon, next 15 minutes.
Oct 09 21:55:02 <kusanagi> And content?
Oct 09 21:55:29 <FrancisKlein> I move that my motion for the content committee be postponed for one meeting further, at which time I will bring forward a document with a clear purpose and charter of the suggested committee.
Oct 09 21:56:01 <MrSquared> second
Oct 09 21:56:15 <kusanagi> You are aware that the next meeting is October 23rd, yes?
Oct 09 21:56:21 <FrancisKlein> yes
Oct 09 21:57:56 <kusanagi> Would it be possible to distribute thecontent documents over SAB before that?
Oct 09 21:58:04 <FrancisKlein> yes.
Oct 09 21:58:06 <FrancisKlein> It will be done
Oct 09 21:58:35 <kusanagi> Hopefully before Wednesday?
Oct 09 21:58:58 <kusanagi> :D
Oct 09 22:02:04 <MrSquared> i think i can only stick around for about 10 more minutes, will you need me to vote on anything?
Oct 09 22:02:16 <kusanagi> Possibly
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Oct 09 22:03:00 <kusanagi> Also, as the motion was seconded, the content committee motion(s) will be placed on Oct 23's agenda
Oct 09 22:03:20 <Bluestreak> noted
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Oct 09 22:04:01 <FrancisKlein> sorry
Oct 09 22:05:53 <kusanagi> no problem
Oct 09 22:10:09 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: finished?
Oct 09 22:10:15 <FrancisKlein> soooo close
Oct 09 22:12:09 <kusanagi> I can give you five more minutes
Oct 09 22:12:24 <kusanagi> if anyone wants a quick recess, you amy so move
Oct 09 22:12:26 <kusanagi> may*
Oct 09 22:12:27 <FrancisKlein> uploading
Oct 09 22:12:32 <kusanagi> Or not lol
Oct 09 22:12:34 <FrancisKlein> give me one more minute
Oct 09 22:13:05 <FrancisKlein> sorry guys
Oct 09 22:13:14 <narrenburg> I can wait.
Oct 09 22:13:22 <Bluestreak> I will FB. Trying to debate economics with my Captain, who has an economics degree.
Oct 09 22:13:29 <Bluestreak> Ping me to get my attn
Oct 09 22:14:29 <FrancisKlein> http://www.scribd.com/doc/174944369/Convention-Committee
Oct 09 22:14:36 <FrancisKlein> kusanagi
Oct 09 22:14:38 <FrancisKlein> bluestreak
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Oct 09 22:15:25 <FrancisKlein> done
Oct 09 22:15:25 <FrancisKlein> hello bosun
Oct 09 22:15:25 <Bosun> late to the party.
Oct 09 22:15:25 <FrancisKlein> again, for everyone, here is the link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174944369/Convention-Committee
Oct 09 22:16:46 <FrancisKlein> ping kusanagi, bluestreak, narrenburg, MrSquared
Oct 09 22:16:47 <kusanagi> Bosun: identify for the record, please
Oct 09 22:16:51 <FrancisKlein> oh cool
Oct 09 22:16:58 <FrancisKlein> did you get the link?
Oct 09 22:16:58 <Bluestreak> Look it over
Oct 09 22:16:58 <MrSquared> reading
Oct 09 22:17:02 <FrancisKlein> cool
Oct 09 22:17:16 <narrenburg> Thanks, reading atm
Oct 09 22:17:19 <FrancisKlein> wanted to make sure it had worked
Oct 09 22:17:23 <Bosun> Joseph T. Klein, Wisconsin, IT
Oct 09 22:18:11 <kusanagi> Thanks
Oct 09 22:18:45 <FrancisKlein> please let me know if I forgot something in the charter - I am not perfect, and I was making it rushedly
Oct 09 22:19:49 <narrenburg> May I ask the purpose of the last point of the second section?
Oct 09 22:19:55 <OyajiVyse> point of information - aren't the Election Committee and the Convention Committee one and the same?
Oct 09 22:20:23 <FrancisKlein> OyajiVyse, they are not - see pnc bylaws referenced
Oct 09 22:20:43 <FrancisKlein> narrenburg - to stay in line with our three main points
Oct 09 22:20:55 <FrancisKlein> *government accountability and transparency
Oct 09 22:21:01 <FrancisKlein> it can change, if so wished
Oct 09 22:21:22 <Bluestreak> Thank you, FrancisKlein
Oct 09 22:21:28 <FrancisKlein> of course
Oct 09 22:21:39 <FrancisKlein> np
Oct 09 22:22:00 <FrancisKlein> OyajiVyse, do you want me to explain further?
Oct 09 22:23:04 <OyajiVyse> no, I understand, but considering how small we are, my guess is that there would be such an overlap between Election and Convention Committees
Oct 09 22:23:19 <OyajiVyse> that it would make more sense to just combine the two committees
Oct 09 22:23:37 <FrancisKlein> i agree, but it specifically says election committee is elected by the PNC
Oct 09 22:23:45 <FrancisKlein> and is only for that one week's purpose
Oct 09 22:23:58 <FrancisKlein> convention committee would be volunteer, I imagine
Oct 09 22:24:36 <FrancisKlein> hello?
Oct 09 22:24:38 <FrancisKlein> ok
Oct 09 22:24:40 <FrancisKlein> weird
Oct 09 22:24:40 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein is right there
Oct 09 22:24:44 <FrancisKlein> it wasn't letting me type
Oct 09 22:25:04 <FrancisKlein> volunteer/appointed
Oct 09 22:26:28 * kusanagi nods
Oct 09 22:27:18 <FrancisKlein> if there are no objections, I would like to make the motion
Oct 09 22:27:24 <FrancisKlein> unless there is more discussion of course
Oct 09 22:28:52 <kusanagi> Just one thing
Oct 09 22:29:32 <kusanagi> Are the elections committee and the convention committee to be mutually exclusive?
Oct 09 22:29:53 <FrancisKlein> I don't believe so
Oct 09 22:30:10 <FrancisKlein> They function during different times of the same meeting
Oct 09 22:30:16 <FrancisKlein> I don't see why they would have to be
Oct 09 22:31:16 <kusanagi> Thank you
Oct 09 22:31:31 <FrancisKlein> np
Oct 09 22:31:49 <MrSquared> ok guys i really need to go
Oct 09 22:31:58 <FrancisKlein> may I make the motion, then?
Oct 09 22:32:04 <kusanagi> Yes
Oct 09 22:32:21 <FrancisKlein> I move that the PNC create a convention committee under the subcommittee bylaws of the PNC with the specific purpose of organizing the logistics and recruiting help for setting up each Pirate convention set forth by either motion or bylaws of the PNC.
Oct 09 22:32:44 <OyajiVyse> second
Oct 09 22:32:53 <kusanagi> motion made, all in favor?
Oct 09 22:32:56 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 09 22:32:59 <MrSquared> aye
Oct 09 22:33:00 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 09 22:34:25 <kusanagi> Bluestreak, narrenburg
Oct 09 22:34:38 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 09 22:34:41 <narrenburg> Aye
Oct 09 22:35:06 <kusanagi> vote called, tally?
Oct 09 22:35:13 <OyajiVyse> 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain
Oct 09 22:35:19 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it, motion passed
Oct 09 22:35:46 <kusanagi> Wonderful. Convention committee created
Oct 09 22:36:05 <kusanagi> Meeting time?
Oct 09 22:36:10 <MrSquared> alright talks to you guys later, sorry i have to go
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Oct 09 22:36:16 <OyajiVyse> thanks for coming
Oct 09 22:36:25 <kusanagi> MrSquared: that's fine, have a good night
Oct 09 22:37:22 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: is there a meeting time announced?
Oct 09 22:37:31 <FrancisKlein> ummm...
Oct 09 22:37:48 <FrancisKlein> Saturday would be good I think
Oct 09 22:37:52 <kusanagi> What time?
Oct 09 22:38:43 <FrancisKlein> When is the IT meeting
Oct 09 22:38:45 <FrancisKlein> 7?
Oct 09 22:38:50 <kusanagi> yes
Oct 09 22:39:02 <FrancisKlein> 8:00, then
Oct 09 22:39:08 <kusanagi> Eastern?
Oct 09 22:39:16 <FrancisKlein> if the 7 is eastern, then yes
Oct 09 22:39:20 <kusanagi> awesome
Oct 09 22:39:24 <FrancisKlein> cool
Oct 09 22:39:49 <FrancisKlein> Convention committee meeting at 8pm Eastern on Saturday October 12th
Oct 09 22:40:10 <Bluestreak> Where pls?
Oct 09 22:40:53 <FrancisKlein> IRC, #uspp-con
Oct 09 22:41:21 <FrancisKlein> I will send out a reminder on SAB on Friday
Oct 09 22:41:29 <FrancisKlein> would Friday be a good time for a reminder?
Oct 09 22:41:34 <kusanagi> I believe so
Oct 09 22:41:41 <FrancisKlein> ok
Oct 09 22:41:42 <FrancisKlein> done
Oct 09 22:41:52 <Bluestreak> Yay SAB post
Oct 09 22:41:57 <FrancisKlein> YAY
Oct 09 22:41:59 <FrancisKlein> :D
Oct 09 22:42:23 <FrancisKlein> I move to adjourn
Oct 09 22:42:29 <kusanagi> no
Oct 09 22:42:34 <FrancisKlein> oh
Oct 09 22:42:35 <FrancisKlein> right
Oct 09 22:42:36 <kusanagi> One announcement
Oct 09 22:42:40 <FrancisKlein> ok
Oct 09 22:42:55 <kusanagi> Also, if you want to write up a socmed post too, that would be great, along with a point of contact
Oct 09 22:43:12 <Bluestreak> Good point
Oct 09 22:43:19 <FrancisKlein> socmed?
Oct 09 22:43:23 <Bluestreak> FB
Oct 09 22:43:23 <FrancisKlein> oh
Oct 09 22:43:25 <Bluestreak> Twitter
Oct 09 22:43:25 <OyajiVyse> social media
Oct 09 22:43:25 <FrancisKlein> yeah
Oct 09 22:43:27 <FrancisKlein> of course
Oct 09 22:43:36 <FrancisKlein> took me a second, sorry
Oct 09 22:43:44 <Bluestreak> What is your email FrancisKlein?
Oct 09 22:43:50 <FrancisKlein> fjk@wipp.coop
Oct 09 22:43:56 <Bluestreak> TY
Oct 09 22:44:02 <FrancisKlein> and yes, that one is good for public record
Oct 09 22:44:04 <FrancisKlein> just fyi
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Oct 09 22:44:35 <kusanagi> Awesome
Oct 09 22:44:57 * tsquar3d is now known as tsquar3d-afk
Oct 09 22:45:24 <kusanagi> So, AOB. Anyone have anything before we close up?
Oct 09 22:45:30 <FrancisKlein> nope
Oct 09 22:45:41 <FrancisKlein> Oh wait... yes I do
Oct 09 22:46:18 <OyajiVyse> just a quick thing: not sure if mentioned before, but TPP is something I'll bring up over SAB
Oct 09 22:46:27 <OyajiVyse> https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
Oct 09 22:47:37 <FrancisKlein> Just a general announcement - My campaign is going well, building our volunteer base. If any of you are willing to help out with the campaign (you don't need to live in WI) please email me, I would love to bring you on board. My email is fjk@wipp.coop
Oct 09 22:47:58 <kusanagi> thanks guys
Oct 09 22:48:13 <FrancisKlein> Also, I will be organizing a panel discussion within the next month for my campaign, would like PNC ppl there, will give more detail later
Oct 09 22:48:27 <FrancisKlein> that's it
Oct 09 22:49:03 <kusanagi> One thing from me: depending on how next wednesday goes, I may be forced to take more time away from the Pirates than I'd like
Oct 09 22:49:19 <Bluestreak> I hope it goes well, then.
Oct 09 22:49:27 <FrancisKlein> good luck. :)
Oct 09 22:49:57 <kusanagi> I've been waiting for a call back from the office in regard to the procedure, because there's a chance he may try to "stabilize" my wrist
Oct 09 22:50:05 <kusanagi> Which is very undesired.
Oct 09 22:50:22 <kusanagi> If in the case that happens, I will have no option but to resign.
Oct 09 22:50:46 <FrancisKlein> no typing abilities?
Oct 09 22:50:54 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: pretty much, yeah.
Oct 09 22:51:04 <FrancisKlein> Learn to type with your toes!
Oct 09 22:51:06 <FrancisKlein> :D
Oct 09 22:51:21 <kusanagi> That would be very, very humorous to see
Oct 09 22:51:28 <FrancisKlein> My cat does it all the time
Oct 09 22:51:42 <Bluestreak> Do what you have to do.
Oct 09 22:51:48 <kusanagi> Mine too! and one types with his tail!
Oct 09 22:51:57 <kusanagi> Bluestreak, FrancisKlein thanks for the well-wishes
Oct 09 22:52:01 <FrancisKlein> Indeed - cats are humorous that way
Oct 09 22:52:04 <kusanagi> That's all from me
Oct 09 22:52:07 <FrancisKlein> of course
Oct 09 22:52:18 <Bluestreak> Are we done?
Oct 09 22:52:26 <kusanagi> Nope, someone has to move to adjourn
Oct 09 22:52:28 <FrancisKlein> in that case, I move to adjourn
Oct 09 22:52:30 <kusanagi> :S
Oct 09 22:52:33 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Oct 09 22:52:46 <kusanagi> motion seconded, all in favor?
Oct 09 22:52:48 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 09 22:52:50 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 09 22:52:55 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 09 22:54:03 <kusanagi> vote called. tally?
Oct 09 22:54:16 <OyajiVyse> 3 aye, 0 nay, 1 abstain
Oct 09 22:54:19 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it
Oct 09 22:54:27 <OyajiVyse> Have a goodnight all
Oct 09 22:54:31 <FrancisKlein> goodnight peeps
Oct 09 22:54:33 <Bluestreak> Good night!
Oct 09 22:54:35 <FrancisKlein> or pirates
Oct 09 22:54:36 <kusanagi> Have a good night, next meeting is Oct 23

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Meeting Minutes

2013-10-03T03:25:33Z

OyajiVyse:

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*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
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*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
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*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
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*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
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*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
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===September===
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*[[PNC 9/11/13|9/11/13]]
*[[PNC 9/18/13|9/18/13]]
*[[PNC 9/25/13|9/25/13]]
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===October===
*[[PNC 10/2/13|10/2/13]]
*[[PNC 10/9/13|10/9/13]]
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2013-10-03T03:24:20Z

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PNC 10/2/13

2013-10-03T03:23:23Z

OyajiVyse: Created page with "=::PNC Meeting Agenda::= ::'''--- 10/22/2013 21:00h EDT ---''' ::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net ::Room: #pnc ::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_10/2/13 ==Minutes== '''IT repo..."

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 10/22/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_10/2/13

==Minutes==

'''IT report'''

'''Removal of non-active states from PNC'''
*Discussion centered around CA and other inactive states
*Motion brought forth to put CA on probation
**Motion to delay probationary measure until next meeting
*** 5 ayes, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion passed

'''Proposal: Content Committee formation, focus, and scope'''
*Motion to postpone discussion of committee until next meeting, at which time a document with the committee's purpose and charter shall be presented
**5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion passed

'''Proposal: Content Committee formation, focus, and scope'''
*Motion to postpone discussion until next meeting
**5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion Passed

'''Proposal: Change of meeting structure as per SAB email by A. Norton'''
*Motion for an amendment at a later time to the bylaws, Article 6, section 1: the creation of subsection 4, worded as follows: The agenda items of the PNC meetings shall be proposed by the members of the PNC. Each proposed agenda item must be made public at least 48 hours in advance of the meeting and have sufficient supporting information included"
**5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion Passed

'''Press release re: gov shutdown'''
*Postponed to next meeting due to lack of time

'''AOB'''

== 1 - ATTENDEES ==
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
'''Attending'''
*FL - Bradley Hall
*WI - Francis Klein
*MA - Lucia Fiero
*GA - Andrew Norton
*NY - Daniel Gorski

'''Excused'''
*N/A

'''Unexcused'''
*CA
*WA
*OR

'''Probation'''
*N/A

==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====
*N/A

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====
*Joseph Klein - WI, IT

== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ==
*Meeting called to order at: 9:25 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes

== 3 - Review of previous minutes ==
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/25/13

== 4 - REPORTS ==

====IT Committee====
*Saturday's meeting was not conducive for content discussion
*Next meeting to be posted on SAB list

== 5 - Agenda Items ==

*Removal of non-active states from PNC
*Proposal: Convention Committee formation, focus, and scope
*Proposal: Content Committee formation, focus, and scope
*Proposal: Change of meeting structure as per SAB email by A. Norton
*Press release re: gov shutdown

== - AOB - ==
Announcements
*Meeting on October 16th cancelled due to lack of officers

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'''Next meeting: October 9th at 9:00 PM EDT'''

'''Meeting closed: 11:05 PM EDT'''
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=== Logs of the Meeting ===
<pre>
Oct 02 21:25:53 <kusanagi> Ok, 9:25pm, call this meeting to order. Please identify yourself with your name and state of residence
Oct 02 21:26:06 <Rush> Bradley Hall, Florida
Oct 02 21:26:12 <FrancisKlein> Francis Klein, WI
Oct 02 21:26:17 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NY
Oct 02 21:26:31 <kusanagi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, Chair, NY
Oct 02 21:26:42 <kusanagi> ping Bluestreak
Oct 02 21:26:54 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero MA rep
Oct 02 21:27:58 <kusanagi> Awesome. Please note that we will be closing this meeting at 11pm the latest, as per the usual
Oct 02 21:28:11 <kusanagi> ping Bosun
Oct 02 21:28:29 <kusanagi> First up is IT Committee report.
Oct 02 21:28:31 <Bosun> Joseph Klein
Oct 02 21:28:49 <kusanagi> from WI, correct?
Oct 02 21:29:58 <kusanagi> Bosun: anything new?
Oct 02 21:30:05 <Bosun> Yes WI
Oct 02 21:31:35 <Bosun> Saturdays\'s meeting was a bust … we failed to have the content discussion. We try again next Saturday and I will post tomorrow on SAB and IT a reminder.
Oct 02 21:32:13 <FrancisKlein> Mostly my fault - I failed to show
Oct 02 21:32:53 <Bosun> I will give this more attention when I finish the firewall move I'm doing at work. Going to devote some time to learning everything we have.
Oct 02 21:33:28 <kusanagi> there were 3 people there, myself included.
Oct 02 21:33:35 * MattW (webchat@143.236.qtw.xsi) has joined #pnc
Oct 02 21:33:41 <kusanagi> Sometimes you'll have to make-do with what little we got.
Oct 02 21:33:49 * K`Tetch (~no@international.pirate) has joined #pnc
Oct 02 21:34:01 <Bosun> We have good talented people, we just need to do some resource management.
Oct 02 21:34:11 <kusanagi> indeed.
Oct 02 21:34:21 <K`Tetch> what did I miss?
Oct 02 21:34:30 <kusanagi> K`Tetch: identify please
Oct 02 21:34:34 <Bluestreak> We started late
Oct 02 21:34:49 <K`Tetch> Andrew Norton, PPGA spokesman (PPUK governor)
Oct 02 21:34:56 <kusanagi> Bosun: is that all for IT this week?
Oct 02 21:35:03 <kusanagi> Any announcements, or anything?
Oct 02 21:35:04 <Bosun> yes.
Oct 02 21:35:09 <kusanagi> Gotcha.
Oct 02 21:35:30 <kusanagi> Onward to the agenda.
Oct 02 21:35:43 <kusanagi> First bullet: removal of non-active states from the PNC.
Oct 02 21:36:13 <kusanagi> I've talked about this at length on a few occasions, as I'm sure many remember.
Oct 02 21:36:55 <kusanagi> It's still up to you guys to keep the non-actives in or not. California is the main offender at this point
Oct 02 21:37:23 <kusanagi> Anyone have anything to add/
Oct 02 21:37:25 <kusanagi> ?
Oct 02 21:37:30 <Bluestreak> Maybe giving CA the boot will be the kick in the pants they need
Oct 02 21:38:02 <FrancisKlein> Point of order: I will be right back, giving voting to Bosun for a short time.
Oct 02 21:38:10 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: thank you
Oct 02 21:38:30 <kusanagi> Bluestreak: possibly, the facebook page is still active, but no responses to anyone.
Oct 02 21:38:32 <K`Tetch> "kick in the pants" how?
Oct 02 21:38:38 <Rush> Is anyone even IN the CAPP?
Oct 02 21:38:50 <OyajiVyse> which other states aside from CA are under consideration?
Oct 02 21:38:55 <Bluestreak> Sometimes being reprimanded is a motivator
Oct 02 21:39:19 <Bluestreak> kusanagi has been reaching out to them for weeks
Oct 02 21:39:27 <kusanagi> more like months.
Oct 02 21:39:28 <K`Tetch> who is 'them'
Oct 02 21:39:33 <Bluestreak> CA rep
Oct 02 21:39:40 <kusanagi> K`Tetch: California Pirate Party
Oct 02 21:39:46 <K`Tetch> right, WHO
Oct 02 21:40:01 <Bluestreak> IDK. I'm the MA rep
Oct 02 21:40:14 <kusanagi> OrionSteele
Oct 02 21:40:17 <Rush> Does the CA party even HAVE a rep or a person in charge?
Oct 02 21:40:37 <Bluestreak> LOL maybe if we ALL reached out to CAPP
Oct 02 21:40:39 <kusanagi> Orion was the point of contact, the president of CAPP was someone else
Oct 02 21:40:45 <K`Tetch> didn't orion leave like 2 years ago?
Oct 02 21:41:06 <kusanagi> he just joined 1 year ago.
Oct 02 21:41:41 <kusanagi> So, no
Oct 02 21:41:52 <K`Tetch> I know I've got logs of him back in 09
Oct 02 21:41:56 <kusanagi> he and the rest of CAPP disappeared this past january
Oct 02 21:42:00 <K`Tetch> because I was looking through them for NAte Anderson
Oct 02 21:42:04 <kusanagi> he was new in 2011.
Oct 02 21:42:10 <kusanagi> 2012
Oct 02 21:42:32 <K`Tetch> maybe he left and came abck, I could swear he was around in 09
Oct 02 21:42:40 <K`Tetch> maybe even earlier
Oct 02 21:42:44 <K`Tetch> chan6 would know better
Oct 02 21:42:46 <kusanagi> That's of no matter.
Oct 02 21:43:04 <kusanagi> Point is, they were here, they joined PNC, and have since vanished.
Oct 02 21:43:17 <kusanagi> emails and calls have been unreturned.
Oct 02 21:43:34 <Bluestreak> You msg the FB page?
Oct 02 21:43:42 <Bosun> last google+ entry is january
Oct 02 21:43:49 <kusanagi> At this point, they are WAY beyond the point of allowance
Oct 02 21:43:54 <kusanagi> Bluestreak: yep
Oct 02 21:44:03 <Bluestreak> Give the boot!
Oct 02 21:44:24 <kusanagi> Well, state rep from MA, I can't just do that
Oct 02 21:44:27 <OyajiVyse> according to the bylaws, they are to be put on probation first
Oct 02 21:44:29 <kusanagi> or it would have been done.
Oct 02 21:44:53 <Bosun> i move we put ca on probation
Oct 02 21:44:57 <Bluestreak> Oops
Oct 02 21:45:24 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Oct 02 21:45:31 <OyajiVyse> then after a month of inaction from that time, they are left to observer status
Oct 02 21:45:53 <kusanagi> OyajiVyse: correct
Oct 02 21:46:20 <kusanagi> motion to put CAPP on probation has been seconded.
Oct 02 21:46:27 <OyajiVyse> all in favor?
Oct 02 21:46:42 <Bosun> discussion ...
Oct 02 21:46:50 <Bosun> not so fast
Oct 02 21:47:13 <kusanagi> OyajiVyse is a bit fast on the draw there
Oct 02 21:47:25 <kusanagi> Is there any further discussion before the vote?
Oct 02 21:47:44 <K`Tetch> discussion should have been prior to the meeting. Now we have some details, I'd like to discuss it with my own state party, and maybe try my own attempt
Oct 02 21:48:08 <Bluestreak> Fair enought IMO
Oct 02 21:48:12 <FrancisKlein> back. sorry about that.
Oct 02 21:48:23 <kusanagi> We have spoken about it previously, K`Tetch
Oct 02 21:48:24 <Bosun> is that a motion to table?
Oct 02 21:48:29 <Bluestreak> Move to give rep from GA a wekk
Oct 02 21:48:35 <Bluestreak> week
Oct 02 21:48:46 <Bosun> no not roberts
Oct 02 21:49:05 <Bluestreak> Sry. No other MAP wanted this job
Oct 02 21:49:12 <Bosun> we can table the motion.
Oct 02 21:49:38 <FrancisKlein> I move that the motion be tabled for one week
Oct 02 21:49:44 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Oct 02 21:50:53 <kusanagi> motion to table further discussion on CAPP to next week seconded.
Oct 02 21:51:07 <Rush> aye
Oct 02 21:51:13 <FrancisKlein> Call the vote, please?
Oct 02 21:51:29 <Bosun> http://www.robertsrules.org/motions.htm
Oct 02 21:51:43 <Bosun> can just vote up or down
Oct 02 21:52:10 <K`Tetch> AYE
Oct 02 21:52:15 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 02 21:52:24 <kusanagi> OyajiVyse:
Oct 02 21:52:25 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 02 21:52:31 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 02 21:52:33 <kusanagi> Vote called. Tally?
Oct 02 21:52:52 <OyajiVyse> the ayes have it
Oct 02 21:52:59 <OyajiVyse> 4 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain
Oct 02 21:53:05 <OyajiVyse> motion passed
Oct 02 21:53:09 <kusanagi> thanks.
Oct 02 21:53:52 <FrancisKlein> Point of information: Does the captain need to call the vote in order for members to vote?
Oct 02 21:55:00 <kusanagi> yes.
Oct 02 21:55:28 <FrancisKlein> Point of order: the vote was never called for
Oct 02 21:55:39 <kusanagi> Also Correct.
Oct 02 21:55:45 <kusanagi> Revote required.
Oct 02 21:55:57 <kusanagi> motion to table further discussion on CAPP to next week seconded. All in favor?
Oct 02 21:56:00 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 02 21:56:11 <Rush> aye
Oct 02 21:56:30 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 02 21:56:35 * kusanagi gives voice to K`Tetch
Oct 02 21:56:45 <kusanagi> forgot to voice you, K`Tetch, sorrry
Oct 02 21:56:52 <K`Tetch> aye
Oct 02 21:58:09 <kusanagi> Bluestreak:
Oct 02 21:58:14 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 02 21:58:23 <kusanagi> vote called, tally?
Oct 02 21:58:35 <OyajiVyse> 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain
Oct 02 21:58:37 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it
Oct 02 21:58:40 <OyajiVyse> motion passed
Oct 02 21:59:06 <kusanagi> okay, please add that to next week's agenda, OyajiVyse
Oct 02 21:59:30 <kusanagi> next: Convention Committee formation, focus, and scope
Oct 02 21:59:38 <kusanagi> I believe it was FrancisKlein who proposed
Oct 02 21:59:41 <kusanagi> You have the floor.
Oct 02 22:01:00 <FrancisKlein> I believe that a convention committee is necessary in order to make any progress as an organization towards a national convention
Oct 02 22:01:26 <kusanagi> And since elections are sooner than we think, it's needed, correct?
Oct 02 22:01:59 <K`Tetch> correct, elections should be started end of this month
Oct 02 22:02:13 <FrancisKlein> If there is a committee specifically for that purpose, which would have to report to the pnc every meeting,
Oct 02 22:02:24 <FrancisKlein> then I feel more would get done on the subject.
Oct 02 22:02:36 <FrancisKlein> to that end, I would like such a committee created
Oct 02 22:03:11 <Bluestreak> motion?
Oct 02 22:03:20 <FrancisKlein> with the specific purpose of organizing whatever resources are necessary for a national convention of the Pirate Party at a time to be determined by the pnc
Oct 02 22:04:05 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: understood.
Oct 02 22:04:22 <FrancisKlein> point of information:
Oct 02 22:04:36 <FrancisKlein> would an amendment to the bylaws of the PNC be neceassary?
Oct 02 22:04:39 <kusanagi> no.
Oct 02 22:04:41 <FrancisKlein> I believe it would not
Oct 02 22:04:41 <FrancisKlein> ok
Oct 02 22:04:45 <FrancisKlein> well then
Oct 02 22:05:12 <FrancisKlein> I move that the PNC create a convention committee under the subcommittee bylaws of the PNC with the specific purpose of organizing the logistics and recruiting help for setting up a Pirate national convention at a date and frequency set by the PNC.
Oct 02 22:06:06 <kusanagi> Any second?
Oct 02 22:06:16 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Oct 02 22:07:06 <FrancisKlein> point of order: I believe the chair should call for debate at this point
Oct 02 22:07:49 <K`Tetch> ok, what do you mean by 'frequency to be set' - how often are you envisioning it?
Oct 02 22:08:16 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: a motion was made and it seemed like you wanted to vote on it.
Oct 02 22:08:19 <kusanagi> I apologize
Oct 02 22:08:56 <K`Tetch> and are you visualising a physical convention, or an online one?
Oct 02 22:08:58 <FrancisKlein> If it pleases the chair, I move the body enter into a maximum 3 minute debate with the possibility of extention on the motion made
Oct 02 22:09:53 <Rush> I agree, it sounds like you're wanting a physical location convention
Oct 02 22:10:16 <Bluestreak> Wasn;t the last one online?
Oct 02 22:10:35 <Rush> They're all online, that's how this party is
Oct 02 22:10:43 <kusanagi> Bluestreak: it was supposed to be online.
Oct 02 22:10:52 <FrancisKlein> point of order: motion on the table
Oct 02 22:10:58 <Bluestreak> Can't afford in person
Oct 02 22:11:02 <Rush> The easiest way to envision the Pirate Party in the US is imagine a political party being run out of someone's closet, because that's us
Oct 02 22:11:03 <Bluestreak> sry
Oct 02 22:11:40 <Bluestreak> Point of infomation: Can I suggest video chat?
Oct 02 22:11:41 <FrancisKlein> Point of Order: Motion on the Table: "I move the body enter into a maximum 3 minute debate with the possibility of extention on the motion made" we are not currently in a discussion
Oct 02 22:11:47 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: that's fine
Oct 02 22:11:47 <Bosun> may I speak
Oct 02 22:12:06 <Bluestreak> Point of info 3 minutes aint a lot of time in PNC
Oct 02 22:13:31 <FrancisKlein> assuming we are currently in a discussion with indefinite length, I intend this convention to be physical
Oct 02 22:13:49 <FrancisKlein> although I wish the details to be specified by the pnc
Oct 02 22:14:06 <kusanagi> There's going to be extreme difficulty having a physical convention.
Oct 02 22:14:18 <FrancisKlein> thus the working of the motion - i would entertain an amendment that says the place must also be specified by the pnc
Oct 02 22:14:40 <kusanagi> that's more of the committee's decision.
Oct 02 22:14:40 <K`Tetch> for a group as spread out as us, as low membered as us, and a poorly funded as us, that's a complete no-go (I say that as someone who's organised many events over the last 15 years)
Oct 02 22:15:25 <FrancisKlein> Ktetch, I think it is possible, but not in the very near future
Oct 02 22:15:35 <Rush> How do you think it's possible?
Oct 02 22:15:37 <FrancisKlein> the point would be to start working towards that now
Oct 02 22:15:37 <Bluestreak> No I have to agree with Andrew
Oct 02 22:15:58 <Bluestreak> Unless y'all want to come to Boston ;-)
Oct 02 22:16:06 <FrancisKlein> center of mass is in Washington
Oct 02 22:16:21 <Bluestreak> I was joking
Oct 02 22:16:23 <K`Tetch> thats a long drive/amtrak ride from ATL
Oct 02 22:16:34 <kusanagi> even longer from NY.
Oct 02 22:16:38 <FrancisKlein> And even longer from WI
Oct 02 22:16:41 <FrancisKlein> but I would go
Oct 02 22:16:46 <Bluestreak> May I offer video chat as an alternative?
Oct 02 22:16:58 <FrancisKlein> This is not in the near future,
Oct 02 22:16:59 <Bosun> I have taken the train from DC to Atlanta … it is not bad.
Oct 02 22:17:01 <kusanagi> I think we're getting a bit distracted.
Oct 02 22:17:06 <Bluestreak> Agrees
Oct 02 22:17:15 <K`Tetch> We do have a big event in Atalnta every labor day weekend, with appropriate speakers that ppga piggybacks on each year
Oct 02 22:17:29 <Bluestreak> What is that pls?
Oct 02 22:17:32 <FrancisKlein> and the committee I believe would be set up to work towards this - not that we have to have only physical conventions, but that we build up to it
Oct 02 22:18:00 <FrancisKlein> as in, bluestreak, we have video chat building up to it
Oct 02 22:18:01 <K`Tetch> Dragoncon
Oct 02 22:18:10 <FrancisKlein> I'm thinking on the scale of many years
Oct 02 22:18:20 <Bluestreak> Yes FrancisKlein
Oct 02 22:18:26 <Bluestreak> that is what I meant
Oct 02 22:18:28 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: right now, we're focused on the next election
Oct 02 22:18:33 <Bluestreak> IDK know that about Dragoncon
Oct 02 22:18:38 <kusanagi> which is Nov. 13th, iirc
Oct 02 22:18:39 <FrancisKlein> that is what I believe the committee should be doing
Oct 02 22:18:40 <K`Tetch> then you plan at the time, for that specifically FrancisKlein, you can't plan a physical event now, for 'some time int he future' because it's all about specifics
Oct 02 22:18:44 <Bluestreak> Makes me want to try harder to get my ass down there
Oct 02 22:18:58 <K`Tetch> Bluestreak - eff.dragoncon.org
Oct 02 22:19:13 <Bluestreak> Of course.
Oct 02 22:19:25 <Bluestreak> wow six weeks
Oct 02 22:20:07 <FrancisKlein> Ok, I Envision this committee to be one which works with the pnc to set up video chat conventions and start to organize for the ultimate goal of a physical convention - by many years, I mean along the lines of 5-7 years
Oct 02 22:20:18 <FrancisKlein> I may be unrealistic
Oct 02 22:20:30 <FrancisKlein> but if we ever want a physical convention in this party, ever
Oct 02 22:20:40 <FrancisKlein> then we should start working towards it NOW
Oct 02 22:20:49 <Bluestreak> i move video chats for this purpose occur no more often than monthly
Oct 02 22:20:49 <FrancisKlein> I know we are focused on the next election
Oct 02 22:21:03 <FrancisKlein> that is why I would like to have a committee take care of it
Oct 02 22:21:16 <FrancisKlein> point of order, there is already a motion on the table
Oct 02 22:21:24 <Bluestreak> sry
Oct 02 22:21:33 <FrancisKlein> its ok
Oct 02 22:21:33 <K`Tetch> with physical events, 99% of planing is in the specific, not the general
Oct 02 22:21:44 <kusanagi> Exactly.
Oct 02 22:21:51 <FrancisKlein> yes, but I cannot specify all of it now. That is why the committee
Oct 02 22:22:25 <kusanagi> Work toward what you need to know
Oct 02 22:22:27 <kusanagi> now
Oct 02 22:22:32 <FrancisKlein> exactly
Oct 02 22:22:45 <kusanagi> Afterward, assuming the committee is still together, focus on better things
Oct 02 22:23:14 <FrancisKlein> No. We need to start thinking about it now.
Oct 02 22:23:20 <FrancisKlein> Not doing, talking
Oct 02 22:23:20 <kusanagi> For the shirt term, if you don't mind clarifying your goals for this committee.
Oct 02 22:23:28 <FrancisKlein> short term -
Oct 02 22:23:33 <kusanagi> short
Oct 02 22:23:34 <kusanagi> sorry
Oct 02 22:23:57 <FrancisKlein> publicize and organize video conventions for the USPP
Oct 02 22:24:13 <FrancisKlein> establish connections for a potential future physical meeting
Oct 02 22:24:29 <FrancisKlein> mainly the first point
Oct 02 22:24:48 <kusanagi> any physical meeting is over a year away at this point.
Oct 02 22:24:50 <FrancisKlein> print tshirts, make posters, put up info about video conventions
Oct 02 22:24:52 <FrancisKlein> etc
Oct 02 22:24:59 <FrancisKlein> I said, 5-7 years
Oct 02 22:25:32 <FrancisKlein> I am not being rediculous, I just think starting to work on it now is better
Oct 02 22:25:38 <FrancisKlein> because it will take a LOT of work
Oct 02 22:25:48 <FrancisKlein> in the mean time, do video conventions
Oct 02 22:26:10 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Oct 02 22:26:15 <Bluestreak> ?
Oct 02 22:26:20 <Rush> I move to table this until FK has his shit together
Oct 02 22:26:22 <FrancisKlein> second already mate
Oct 02 22:26:25 <FrancisKlein> *made
Oct 02 22:26:31 <Bluestreak> lol
Oct 02 22:26:40 <FrancisKlein> Rush, I have my shit together
Oct 02 22:26:46 <FrancisKlein> I am not doing this on my own
Oct 02 22:26:54 <FrancisKlein> this is the establishment of a COMMITTEE
Oct 02 22:27:04 <FrancisKlein> for the purpose of doing what I cannot
Oct 02 22:27:06 <K`Tetch> Again FrancisKlein, from experience, physical events take a lot, yes, but only once you'ev already got the specifics. there's NOTHING general you can do to plan for an event until you have date + location sorted
Oct 02 22:27:24 <kusanagi> I've asked for the short term goals, and not to offend, but it's undoable right now.
Oct 02 22:27:48 <FrancisKlein> which is why the pnc will specify that at a later date and the focus of the committee would be to simply organize the video conventions for the most part
Oct 02 22:28:03 <FrancisKlein> I specified the short term goals.
Oct 02 22:28:08 <FrancisKlein> do you think they are undoable?
Oct 02 22:28:18 <FrancisKlein> and when did ambition hurt an organization?
Oct 02 22:28:25 <kusanagi> It killed CAPP.
Oct 02 22:28:35 <kusanagi> They were overzealous and burned out.
Oct 02 22:28:53 <FrancisKlein> ok, ambition and determination
Oct 02 22:29:03 <FrancisKlein> this committee is not the start of CAPP again
Oct 02 22:29:12 <FrancisKlein> this would be governedby the pnc
Oct 02 22:29:16 <FrancisKlein> as is any committtee
Oct 02 22:29:56 <kusanagi> And I point to the former convention committee.
Oct 02 22:30:11 <kusanagi> How would this group handle the upcoming elections?
Oct 02 22:30:19 <FrancisKlein> And I volunteer myself as chair
Oct 02 22:30:34 <FrancisKlein> what do you mean?
Oct 02 22:30:35 <kusanagi> I'd like an answer to that question please, point of information.
Oct 02 22:30:58 <kusanagi> How would this committee handle the elections that are in approximately 6 weeks?
Oct 02 22:31:08 <Bluestreak> This should be our focus
Oct 02 22:31:22 <K`Tetch> the elections should be sooner than that, 6 weeks is when your term ends
Oct 02 22:31:24 <Bluestreak> Order of operations
Oct 02 22:31:32 <FrancisKlein> Excusing my lack of history with the pnc, how would that affect a committee
Oct 02 22:31:32 <K`Tetch> we should be well done with the election by then
Oct 02 22:31:44 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: I'm asking how your committee would function.
Oct 02 22:31:58 <kusanagi> K`Tetch: this is true, as well.
Oct 02 22:32:07 <kusanagi> give some time for the new people to come in.
Oct 02 22:32:25 <K`Tetch> change over all paperwork, etc
Oct 02 22:32:29 <kusanagi> Exactly
Oct 02 22:32:57 <FrancisKlein> Are new chairs of the committees elected?
Oct 02 22:33:02 <FrancisKlein> or is it just the officers?
Oct 02 22:33:08 <kusanagi> They could be either
Oct 02 22:33:14 <K`Tetch> hence why I said 22:01:25 «+K`Tetch» correct, elections should be started end of this month
Oct 02 22:33:19 <kusanagi> that fully depends on the committee itself
Oct 02 22:33:35 <Bluestreak> Can't we just have elections at PNC?
Oct 02 22:33:35 <kusanagi> K`Tetch: yeah, I got that now, sorry.
Oct 02 22:33:42 <Bluestreak> point of info
Oct 02 22:33:46 <kusanagi> Bluestreak: last year was a disaster
Oct 02 22:33:55 <Bluestreak> Oh kay
Oct 02 22:34:04 <kusanagi> that culminated in the former chair leaving without giving any information at all to me
Oct 02 22:34:56 <kusanagi> no turn over, no contacts, nothing
Oct 02 22:34:57 <Rush> Wasn't I the chair before you?
Oct 02 22:35:03 <K`Tetch> no, travis was
Oct 02 22:35:24 <FrancisKlein> I move that my motion be postponed until after the PNC elections, at which time I will bring forward a document with a clear purpose and charter of the suggested committee.
Oct 02 22:35:29 <Bluestreak> Oh THAT'S What they were talking about
Oct 02 22:35:34 <Rush> If I recall, it was Ryan, Me, Brit, Me, Travis, You, right?
Oct 02 22:35:47 <K`Tetch> yes
Oct 02 22:35:48 <Bluestreak> We were talking about this at a MAPP inperson mtg last year
Oct 02 22:35:57 <kusanagi> Order.
Oct 02 22:36:02 <Bluestreak> Yes
Oct 02 22:36:11 <K`Tetch> but you forgot" MEEEEEEEEEEEEE, chan6," at the start
Oct 02 22:36:32 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: would there be a chance you are able to have a small convention committee handle the upcoming elections/
Oct 02 22:37:17 <FrancisKlein> yes, although I would need advice on how to do so, since I have not gone through elections before
Oct 02 22:37:19 <kusanagi> and point of information: we have 20 minutes left.
Oct 02 22:37:27 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: that's fine
Oct 02 22:37:31 <Bluestreak> POint of info... since I won't be running for anything I volunteer for said cmte
Oct 02 22:37:44 <kusanagi> hold volunteering for PMs please
Oct 02 22:37:48 <Bluestreak> k
Oct 02 22:38:15 <FrancisKlein> should we wait to create said committee until later, then? or now?
Oct 02 22:38:44 <kusanagi> That's up to you, but I'd advise to hold out a week, and come up with a plan to hold the elections, then focus on further options.
Oct 02 22:39:01 <FrancisKlein> understood
Oct 02 22:39:09 <FrancisKlein> then, I rescind my last motion
Oct 02 22:39:09 <kusanagi> Anything further?
Oct 02 22:39:23 <FrancisKlein> I move that my motion be postponed for one week, at which time I will bring forward a document with a clear purpose and charter of the suggested committee.
Oct 02 22:39:39 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Oct 02 22:39:44 <kusanagi> All in favor?
Oct 02 22:39:47 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 02 22:39:51 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 02 22:39:52 <K`Tetch> aye
Oct 02 22:39:57 <Rush> aye
Oct 02 22:40:25 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 02 22:40:28 <Bluestreak> afk have to help kid one sec
Oct 02 22:40:53 <kusanagi> vote called, tally?
Oct 02 22:41:01 <OyajiVyse> 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain
Oct 02 22:41:03 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it
Oct 02 22:41:08 <OyajiVyse> motion passed
Oct 02 22:41:17 <kusanagi> wonderful.
Oct 02 22:41:21 <kusanagi> next: Content Committee formation, focus, and scope.
Oct 02 22:41:29 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: I believe this was yours as well?
Oct 02 22:41:36 <FrancisKlein> Indeed it was
Oct 02 22:41:57 <Bluestreak> bacxk
Oct 02 22:42:18 <kusanagi> Do you have a proposal set up, or would you prefer to hold this off for next week as well?
Oct 02 22:42:22 <FrancisKlein> I move to postpone this motion for a period of one week, at which time I will bring forward a document with a clear charter of the content committee
Oct 02 22:42:38 <K`Tetch> 2nd
Oct 02 22:42:53 <kusanagi> All in favor?
Oct 02 22:42:57 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 02 22:42:58 <FrancisKlein> point of information : I have a charter, but we don't have time
Oct 02 22:43:00 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 02 22:43:03 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 02 22:43:08 <K`Tetch> aye
Oct 02 22:43:41 <Rush> aye
Oct 02 22:44:32 <kusanagi> vote called, tally?
Oct 02 22:44:51 <OyajiVyse> 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain
Oct 02 22:44:56 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it, Motion passed
Oct 02 22:45:43 <kusanagi> wonderful
Oct 02 22:45:45 <kusanagi> next
Oct 02 22:46:06 <kusanagi> Change of meeting structure as per SAB email by A. Norton, K`Tetch
Oct 02 22:46:25 <kusanagi> I have it marked as a proposal, though that may be incorrect
Oct 02 22:46:58 <K`Tetch> ok, my motion is pretty much as in the email monday. ALL proposals should be annoucned at least 48 hours (but 24 hours in exceptional circumstances) proposals should have sources, evidence, and information, so that informed research and decisions can be made
Oct 02 22:47:30 <K`Tetch> and the time gap is to allow us to actually consult our parties and get feedback and opinion from them, because we'er supposed to be representing our parties here
Oct 02 22:47:52 <K`Tetch> and our current process has us making emotive longwinded arguments with no facts and no way to get feedback from our parties
Oct 02 22:47:53 <Bluestreak> point of info
Oct 02 22:48:05 <Bluestreak> "sources"?
Oct 02 22:48:14 <K`Tetch> links, evidence, data
Oct 02 22:48:23 <Bosun> citations
Oct 02 22:48:25 <Bluestreak> so "or"
Oct 02 22:48:28 <Bluestreak> not "and"
Oct 02 22:48:57 <Bluestreak> Yes?
Oct 02 22:49:09 <kusanagi> and/or would be more appropriate in my logic
Oct 02 22:49:09 <K`Tetch> I'd want information AND citations
Oct 02 22:49:32 <Bluestreak> OK how *much* info?
Oct 02 22:49:37 <Bluestreak> Sentence?
Oct 02 22:49:39 <K`Tetch> as much is felt to be needed
Oct 02 22:49:43 <Bluestreak> Paragraph?
Oct 02 22:49:59 <Bluestreak> "Yo, peeps: THIS!" ?
Oct 02 22:50:16 <kusanagi> Whatever it takes to accurately prove a point, I take it
Oct 02 22:50:28 <K`Tetch> yes
Oct 02 22:50:53 <Bluestreak> Can I move that these changes be probationary?
Oct 02 22:51:17 <Bluestreak> Not a bad idea
Oct 02 22:51:23 <Bluestreak> Just want to test the waters
Oct 02 22:51:33 <kusanagi> We can do that
Oct 02 22:51:38 <K`Tetch> ok
Oct 02 22:51:43 <Bluestreak> cool
Oct 02 22:52:03 <kusanagi> So, any proposals must be sent over to Dan or myself, since Caleb is still gone.
Oct 02 22:52:10 <kusanagi> And we'll incorporate it
Oct 02 22:52:36 <kusanagi> Would friday be a solid deadline?
Oct 02 22:52:42 <kusanagi> not solid, good
Oct 02 22:52:53 <Bluestreak> um 48 hours?
Oct 02 22:53:03 <Bluestreak> w/b Mon?
Oct 02 22:53:07 <Rush> 9PM EST Saturday
Oct 02 22:53:10 <K`Tetch> any proposals should be sent to the sab list
Oct 02 22:53:18 <FrancisKlein> I propose an amendment at a later time to the bylaws, Article 6, section 1: the creation of subsection 4, worded as follows: The agenda items of the PNC meetings shall be proposed by the members of the PNC. Each proposed agenda item must be made public at least 48 hours in advance of the meeting and have sufficient supporting information included"
Oct 02 22:53:18 <Bluestreak> Agreed
Oct 02 22:53:33 <Bluestreak> Agreed SAB list for Proposals
Oct 02 22:53:38 <kusanagi> K`Tetch: agreed
Oct 02 22:53:48 <kusanagi> I'm thinking agenda, I'm sorry.
Oct 02 22:53:55 <FrancisKlein> something along those lines?
Oct 02 22:54:31 <kusanagi> that's pretty dead-on, i'd think
Oct 02 22:54:36 <kusanagi> order: 5 minutes
Oct 02 22:54:56 <FrancisKlein> I should somehow include the SAB list requirement, though
Oct 02 22:55:08 <FrancisKlein> I think made public kinda covers it
Oct 02 22:55:11 <K`Tetch> public covers that
Oct 02 22:55:14 <FrancisKlein> ok
Oct 02 22:55:35 <FrancisKlein> do you think sufficient supporting information is too vague?
Oct 02 22:55:44 * Fatbag (~quassel@ice-887-88-27-30.public.utexas.edu) has joined #pnc
Oct 02 22:55:55 <kusanagi> no
Oct 02 22:55:57 <kusanagi> 4 minutes
Oct 02 22:56:10 <K`Tetch> move to vote
Oct 02 22:56:14 <kusanagi> All in favor
Oct 02 22:56:18 <FrancisKlein> AYE
Oct 02 22:56:23 <K`Tetch> AYE
Oct 02 22:56:26 <Rush> aye
Oct 02 22:56:37 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 02 22:56:42 <kusanagi> ping Bluestreak
Oct 02 22:56:46 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 02 22:56:52 <Bluestreak> sry sending an email
Oct 02 22:56:56 <Bluestreak> Pirate bznz
Oct 02 22:56:58 <kusanagi> vote called, tally?
Oct 02 22:57:04 <OyajiVyse> 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain
Oct 02 22:57:09 <kusanagi> wonderful
Oct 02 22:57:11 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it, motion passed
Oct 02 22:57:15 <FrancisKlein> :D
Oct 02 22:57:48 <kusanagi> We're not going to have time now for the PR, so after the meeting, if you want to hang around, we'll do it. I don't know if it can be posted to the site offhand though
Oct 02 22:58:18 <FrancisKlein> No - I think it would have to be voted on in some capacity - like the pnc directs so and so to make a PR
Oct 02 22:58:28 <Rush> I have to be up early tomorrow, so I can't stick around
Oct 02 22:58:38 <kusanagi> PR is expressly my responsibility, iirc
Oct 02 22:58:53 <FrancisKlein> oh ok
Oct 02 22:59:05 <kusanagi> Falls under spokesperson, iirc
Oct 02 22:59:35 <kusanagi> Since we don't have a press/relations committee
Oct 02 22:59:53 <kusanagi> With that, AOB
Oct 02 22:59:57 <kusanagi> I have a few announcements
Oct 02 23:00:30 <kusanagi> The meeting on October 16th is canceled, surgery was rescheduled to that date, and for obvious reasons I won't be able to make it
Oct 02 23:00:44 <Bluestreak> Noted
Oct 02 23:00:46 <FrancisKlein> ok
Oct 02 23:00:57 <kusanagi> And since we're down the Vice-chair, we won't be able to hold a meeting that day
Oct 02 23:01:28 <kusanagi> Since elections are coming up, state parties should start deciding on who is to be nominated.
Oct 02 23:01:40 <Rush> It's 11:01, I'm out
Oct 02 23:01:45 <kusanagi> I've heard Rush is really anxious for a nod
Oct 02 23:01:49 <kusanagi> And that's all I have
Oct 02 23:01:52 <kusanagi> Anyone else?
Oct 02 23:01:56 <kusanagi> Rush: one sec
Oct 02 23:02:05 <Bluestreak> Nope
Oct 02 23:02:08 <OyajiVyse> no
Oct 02 23:02:22 <FrancisKlein> move to adjourn
Oct 02 23:02:28 <OyajiVyse> second
Oct 02 23:02:43 <Rush> If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve.
Oct 02 23:02:58 <Bluestreak> meep
Oct 02 23:03:05 <kusanagi> all in favor?
Oct 02 23:03:08 <FrancisKlein> aye
Oct 02 23:03:08 <OyajiVyse> aye
Oct 02 23:03:09 <Rush> aye
Oct 02 23:03:09 <Bluestreak> aye
Oct 02 23:04:55 <Rush> um
Oct 02 23:04:57 <kusanagi> vote called, tally?
Oct 02 23:05:03 <Rush> 4 aye
Oct 02 23:05:05 <OyajiVyse> 4 aye, 0 nay, 1 abstain
Oct 02 23:05:09 <Rush> the ayes have it
Oct 02 23:05:10 <kusanagi> Good night, next meeting is oct. 9th, 9pm eastern. see you all then.
Oct 02 23:05:12 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it, motion passed
Oct 02 23:05:16 <kusanagi> Good night, next meeting is oct. 9th, 9pm eastern. see you all then.
Oct 02 23:05:20 <Bluestreak> Great mtg ppl
Oct 02 23:05:23 <kusanagi> meeting closed at 11:05
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Meeting Minutes

2013-09-30T21:07:32Z

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PNC 9/25/13

2013-09-26T03:54:44Z

OyajiVyse: Created page with "=::PNC Meeting Agenda::= ::'''--- 9/25/2013 21:00h EDT ---''' ::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net ::Room: #pnc ::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/25/2013 ==Minutes== '''IT Comm..."

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 9/25/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/25/2013

==Minutes==
'''IT Committee Report'''

'''Discussion of US involvement in Syria'''
*The US shouldn't be the enforcement arm of the UN
*The US going to war should be the will of the people and not a few
*All the facts should be out in the open for everyone to see
*Less classification, more open debate
*The pressure should be to stop the flow of munitions to both sides
*Let the Syrians democratically sort out Syrian politics
*Statement regarding Syria to be drafted by next week

'''Discussion of content for the main site'''
*Content available to be posted on site, site access may be an issue
*Joseph Klein given access to post on site

'''AOB'''

== 1 - ATTENDEES ==
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
'''Attending'''
*WI - Francis Klein
*FL - Steven Smith
*OR - Kyle DeVore
*WA - Jeffrey Talada
*NY - Daniel Gorski

'''Excused'''
*N/A

'''Unexcused'''
*First Mate - Caleb Langeslag
*CA
*GA

'''Probation'''
*N/A

==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====
*MD - Joseph Yaworski

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Captain - Lindsay Anne Brunner
*Quartermaster - Daniel Gorski

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====
*IT Commitee - Joseph Klein
*International Observer - Andrew Paolucci
*Pete Fein

== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ==
*Meeting called to order at: 9:17pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes

== 3 - Review of previous minutes ==
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/11/2013

== 4 - REPORTS ==

==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====

*Joseph Klein received password for site
*Next meeting will be: Saturday, September 28th at 7pm EDT
*Jospeh Yaworski volunteered to help IT committee

== 5 - Agenda Items ==

*Discussion of US involvement in Syria

*Discussion of content for the main site

== - AOB - ==

*Update on WIPP campaign for governor
**Interview given with Madison newspaper
**Delegation to volunteers a success

*Proposals for IT committee to investigate the possibility of creating a news feed on the USPP website which gathers updates from the state sites, and report back to the PNC by next meeting.

*Fix the page https://uspirates.org/platform/
**The committee should report on the progress of this fix by next meeting.

*Change the bottom of the uspirates page to reflect only those state parties which currently exist by deleting the links to those that do not, and that they report on any progress before or during the next meeting.

*Reform the Content Committee
**Francis volunteered to lead

*Discuss hosting European Pirates

*Specification of position on issues

*Formation of Convention Committee

*stopwatching.us rally next month
**Asked for USPP endorsement, given by Brunner on behalf; would like state party endorsements
**Pete Fein / @wearpants / http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17914501
*https://rally.stopwatching.us

*Consider removal of non-active states from PNC
**There have been several states who appear non-responsive to communications and have not sent a representative to PNC meetings as required.
**Meetings have been harder to start as such.

*Washington is requesting help on developing a candidate questionnaire: http://piratepad.net/Wa6qPubnpZ
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====Next meeting: October 2nd at 9:00 PM EDT====

====Meeting closed: 11:14 PM EDT====

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=== Logs of the Meeting ===
<pre>
Sep 25 21:17:55 <kusanagi> time is now 9:17, I call this meeting of the national committee of the united states pirate party to order
Sep 25 21:18:15 <kusanagi> Please identify with your full name, state of representation or residence.
Sep 25 21:18:51 <kusanagi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, Capt., Ny
Sep 25 21:18:52 <FrancisKlein> Francis Klein, WI
Sep 25 21:18:56 <narrenburg> Steven Smith, FL
Sep 25 21:19:08 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NY Rep
Sep 25 21:19:39 <MrSquared> Kyle DeVore, OR
Sep 25 21:19:55 <Bosun> Joseph Klein, WI
Sep 25 21:21:27 <kusanagi> To clear for the record, Bosun, you're here for IT, and FrancisKlein you're here as the rep?
Sep 25 21:21:36 <Bosun> yep.
Sep 25 21:21:41 <FrancisKlein> correct
Sep 25 21:21:52 <kusanagi> QuazarGuy: are you in?
Sep 25 21:22:45 <QuazarGuy> Jeffrey Talada, Washington
Sep 25 21:22:50 <kusanagi> awesome
Sep 25 21:23:12 <kusanagi> So, first thing up
Sep 25 21:23:18 <kusanagi> Bosun: what's happening with IT?
Sep 25 21:24:28 <Bosun> I still have yet to get password. - I'll put out the red lights and flashing signs for Saturdays meeting and I ask everyone interested to attend.
Sep 25 21:24:54 <kusanagi> Password for?
Sep 25 21:25:01 <Bosun> website.
Sep 25 21:25:13 <kusanagi> You're serious.
Sep 25 21:25:18 <Bosun> yes
Sep 25 21:25:21 <kusanagi> Caled still hasn't given it.
Sep 25 21:25:31 <Bosun> no
Sep 25 21:25:36 <kusanagi> I'm PMing you his number right now.
Sep 25 21:26:07 <kusanagi> I'll also schedule some posts.. maybe that will help out
Sep 25 21:26:46 <FrancisKlein> kusanagi? May I make a motion?
Sep 25 21:27:19 <kusanagi> go right ahead
Sep 25 21:27:23 <FrancisKlein> Pursuant to fixing the situation with the IT committee, I move that the PNC unanimously direct Caleb to immediately give the website password to Bosun.
Sep 25 21:27:38 <FrancisKlein> unless there are objections, of course
Sep 25 21:28:12 <Bosun> Let me call him ...
Sep 25 21:28:24 <kusanagi> We can have Bosun call him
Sep 25 21:28:49 <FrancisKlein> I think he already did...
Sep 25 21:29:14 <Bosun> again
Sep 25 21:29:29 <jyaworski> Joseph Yaworski, MD. I'd like to volunteer my knowledge and skills to IT if needed. I work as a professional SysAdmin. Let me know if I can be of assistance.
Sep 25 21:30:07 <kusanagi> Any help we can get is needed
Sep 25 21:30:39 <Bosun> If you can attend Saturday and also Francis to discuss content. My number is 414 628-3380 and mail is Bosun@wipp.coop
Sep 25 21:31:00 <FrancisKlein> yes.
Sep 25 21:31:14 <FrancisKlein> seeing no second to my motion, I retract said motion
Sep 25 21:31:24 <kusanagi> Bosun: this is a logged meeting, if you want that stuck from the record, since there's personal information
Sep 25 21:31:40 <Bosun> Yes I don't mind.
Sep 25 21:31:49 <kusanagi> Ok.
Sep 25 21:31:53 <kusanagi> just double checking
Sep 25 21:32:10 <Bosun> I will not hide under a rock.
Sep 25 21:32:37 <kusanagi> understandable... unlike others around here..
Sep 25 21:33:45 <kusanagi> Does the IT people want to say anything more? Perhaps the time of the meeting, so I don't mess it up again while posting?
Sep 25 21:33:49 <QuazarGuy> I'm not sure chairs get to make quips
Sep 25 21:34:12 <Bosun> Next Meeting on Saturday 5pm Eastern 6pm Central 7pm Mountain 8pm Pacific.
Sep 25 21:34:23 <Bosun> I appoligise.
Sep 25 21:35:34 <kusanagi> Wait, is that backward?
Sep 25 21:36:21 <Bosun> No … the rock statement feed the beast.
Sep 25 21:36:33 <kusanagi> I meant the times.
Sep 25 21:36:42 <QuazarGuy> The timezones are backward Bosun
Sep 25 21:36:46 <Bosun> ooops
Sep 25 21:36:57 <kusanagi> 8pm eastern?
Sep 25 21:37:14 <Bosun> 7 eastern six kentral 5 mountain 4 pacific
Sep 25 21:37:25 <Bosun> central
Sep 25 21:37:35 <Bosun> I'm bad
Sep 25 21:37:40 <kusanagi> okay, 7 Eastern. I'll have it posted
Sep 25 21:37:55 <kusanagi> no worries, as long as the record and I have it right, all is good
Sep 25 21:40:38 <kusanagi> okay, that said
Sep 25 21:40:44 <kusanagi> moving onward to the items
Sep 25 21:41:10 <kusanagi> Discussion of US involvement in Syria is first
Sep 25 21:42:28 <narrenburg> Point of order: switching to Xchat
Sep 25 21:42:33 <kusanagi> OyajiVyse: did you have sometihng more, ah, specific?
Sep 25 21:42:38 <kusanagi> narrenburg: go ahead.
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Sep 25 21:43:54 <FrancisKlein> who put this discussion item on the agenda?
Sep 25 21:43:57 <kusanagi> He did.
Sep 25 21:44:06 <FrancisKlein> narrenburg?
Sep 25 21:44:09 <kusanagi> No, OyajiVyse
Sep 25 21:44:12 <FrancisKlein> oh
Sep 25 21:44:13 <FrancisKlein> ok
Sep 25 21:44:24 <FrancisKlein> gotcha
Sep 25 21:44:39 <kusanagi> If anyone wants to bring up anything in regard to that topic, though, go straight ahead
Sep 25 21:44:40 <narrenburg> yes
Sep 25 21:44:45 <OyajiVyse> well, basically, what stance do we take on it, and how is it affected by the whole debaucle with PRISM
Sep 25 21:45:20 <OyajiVyse> overstepping bounds and lack of transparency, I felt it was appropriate to bring up
Sep 25 21:45:29 <FrancisKlein> fair enough.
Sep 25 21:45:30 <QuazarGuy> I don't see how PRISM affects Syria
Sep 25 21:45:52 <Bosun> PRISM pissed of the UK Parlament
Sep 25 21:45:56 <OyajiVyse> not directly, but all of this happening within the span of a few months doesn't exactly put the US in the brightest of lights
Sep 25 21:46:24 <QuazarGuy> that's because the government is doing shady things
Sep 25 21:46:36 <FrancisKlein> The US was never in the brightest of lights, but nonetheless, they are two separate issues.
Sep 25 21:46:36 <QuazarGuy> that's why we're here
Sep 25 21:47:00 <FrancisKlein> We should put out a public position on syria and on PRISM in my opinion
Sep 25 21:47:17 <FrancisKlein> although Syria is tricky
Sep 25 21:47:41 <narrenburg> A PRISM statement is three months overdue, so I echo FrancisKlein's point.
Sep 25 21:47:43 <Bosun> \ in International relations all issues are intertwined.
Sep 25 21:48:04 <kusanagi> We did a statement for prism, iirc
Sep 25 21:48:13 <jyaworski> Do we really want to make a statement on foreign policy at this time? I believe we should stick to out strengths.
Sep 25 21:48:20 <jyaworski> *our
Sep 25 21:48:49 <FrancisKlein> Yes, i believe we can't make a foreign policy statement soon enough
Sep 25 21:49:02 <FrancisKlein> the more concrete we are about our statements the better
Sep 25 21:49:09 <FrancisKlein> but we don't have to be for or against
Sep 25 21:49:20 <narrenburg> The acronym "PRISM" in relation to the National Security Agency was publicized after the 8th of June, which is when the last USPP press release was published.
Sep 25 21:49:21 <QuazarGuy> we're for actual democracy, we could say we'd support the people of Syria taking command of their own futures
Sep 25 21:49:33 <OyajiVyse> we do also need content for the site
Sep 25 21:49:36 <FrancisKlein> we could even write two or three positions based on the different views within the party
Sep 25 21:49:54 <narrenburg> So, no, there's no public position on PRISM specifically.
Sep 25 21:49:57 <jyaworski> We need a consistent message at the national level.
Sep 25 21:50:33 <QuazarGuy> No PRISM would be a good start
Sep 25 21:50:38 <Bosun> Spying on people is bad
Sep 25 21:50:47 <narrenburg> m'kay
Sep 25 21:50:52 <FrancisKlein> Yes and no... we should have a consistent message, but we can still point out the validities in the opposition argument
Sep 25 21:51:09 <FrancisKlein> I feel that our democratic open debate is one of the strenghts of our party -
Sep 25 21:51:11 <QuazarGuy> of which there are none
Sep 25 21:51:29 <FrancisKlein> I'm talking about Syria, not PRISM
Sep 25 21:51:43 <FrancisKlein> on PRISM, i agree
Sep 25 21:51:45 <FrancisKlein> completely
Sep 25 21:52:26 <FrancisKlein> I'm trying to say that publishing a comprehensive 'guide
Sep 25 21:52:27 <QuazarGuy> let's pick one to talk about
Sep 25 21:52:41 <FrancisKlein> as it were about our position on one issue would be awesome
Sep 25 21:52:53 <FrancisKlein> and we could acknowledge the counter argument
Sep 25 21:53:02 <FrancisKlein> yes, let's pick a topic
Sep 25 21:53:03 <FrancisKlein> sorry
Sep 25 21:53:31 <kusanagi> we're on syria currently
Sep 25 21:53:35 <kusanagi> try to keep it there
Sep 25 21:53:40 <FrancisKlein> ok
Sep 25 21:54:25 <FrancisKlein> I believe that US intervention should only be following a UN declaration of such intervention
Sep 25 21:54:35 <FrancisKlein> i.e., follow international law.
Sep 25 21:54:52 <FrancisKlein> (which the US seems really, really bad at doing)
Sep 25 21:55:22 <narrenburg> Seems pretty ironic since the GA's in NYC and the US pretty much made the UN.
Sep 25 21:55:22 <OyajiVyse> agreed, there wasn't any need for US to intervene directly
Sep 25 21:55:24 <Bosun> Syria is being dictated by the missteps taken over the last decade. Finally we are talking about Congress having war powers and stepping away from a unitary executive.
Sep 25 21:55:56 <Bosun> But the necons still rant.
Sep 25 21:56:05 <Bosun> neocons ..
Sep 25 21:56:15 <QuazarGuy> The US shouldn't be the enforcement arm of the UN
Sep 25 21:56:32 <kusanagi> QuazarGuy: agreed fully
Sep 25 21:56:40 <QuazarGuy> there are UN peacekeeper forces
Sep 25 21:56:44 <Bosun> ever read Empire?
Sep 25 21:57:49 <Bosun> Empire
Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun> Book by Antonio Negri
Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun> Empire is a book by post-Marxist philosophers Antonio Negri and Michael Hardt. Written in the mid-1990s, it was published in 2000 and quickly sold beyond its expectations as an academic work. Wikipedia
Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun> Published: 2000
Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun> Authors: Antonio Negri, Michael Hardt
Sep 25 21:57:51 <Bosun> Followed by: Multitude: War and Democracy in the Age of Empire
Sep 25 21:58:12 <kusanagi> Please stay on course
Sep 25 21:58:25 <FrancisKlein> I'm sure it is, knowing Bosun
Sep 25 21:59:01 <FrancisKlein> he will now explain how Empire is an analogy to our situation in Syria - or what we should not do
Sep 25 21:59:48 <QuazarGuy> did the Syrians vote in US elections? why should they treat our forces as legitimate?
Sep 25 22:00:05 <Bosun> The US acts like the Roman pro console for the global economic empire.
Sep 25 22:00:13 <FrancisKlein> Im not arguing they should
Sep 25 22:00:19 <Bosun> is the point of the book.
Sep 25 22:00:56 <FrancisKlein> quazarguy, I completely agree - my point was that the US should not act at all until the UN says we should.
Sep 25 22:00:59 <Bosun> Pour gins into Syria or troops is not the answer.
Sep 25 22:01:05 <FrancisKlein> not act once the UN says syria is wrong
Sep 25 22:01:37 <Bosun> Pouring guns. … god I cannot type on this thing.
Sep 25 22:01:45 <QuazarGuy> the UN doesn't have the authority to send countries to war
Sep 25 22:02:22 <QuazarGuy> the UN can't order a country to do anything
Sep 25 22:02:26 <FrancisKlein> true
Sep 25 22:02:30 <Bosun> The authority at the UN comes from its sovereign members.
Sep 25 22:02:52 <QuazarGuy> their goal is to get countries to talk and come to concensus
Sep 25 22:02:54 <Bosun> It has no authority except by treaty.
Sep 25 22:03:02 <narrenburg> Even though the directions of the UN are just resolutions, they still carry important messages.
Sep 25 22:03:34 <narrenburg> And if you don't adhere to them, you're seen as an entity which doesn't follow international law.
Sep 25 22:03:51 <Bosun> The pressure should be to stop the floe of munitions to both sides.
Sep 25 22:04:13 <QuazarGuy> that I'll agree with
Sep 25 22:04:33 <Bosun> International Law is just traditional conventions.
Sep 25 22:05:50 <Bosun> Who in the opposition is talking about building a democratic nation?
Sep 25 22:06:20 <QuazarGuy> there are many opposition groups
Sep 25 22:06:37 <QuazarGuy> several are fed weapons by the US
Sep 25 22:07:06 <Bosun> So why are we not transparent about who we send arms to?
Sep 25 22:07:34 * kusanagi gives voice to narrenburg
Sep 25 22:07:49 <QuazarGuy> I think that transparency ends with the US, every other country in the world knows
Sep 25 22:07:50 <Bosun> Or money for that matter?
Sep 25 22:09:11 <Bosun> This should be what we are against. Who is making our choices. We want it to be the American people and not some faction at CIA or NSA headquarters.
Sep 25 22:09:14 <kusanagi> Various reasons, I'd guess. Personal favors, CIA stuff..
Sep 25 22:10:36 <Bosun> we want all the cans of worms opened an dumped out.
Sep 25 22:10:50 <FrancisKlein> agreement with bosun on the who is making choices
Sep 25 22:10:56 <FrancisKlein> and WORMS!!! :D
Sep 25 22:11:13 <Bosun> IMHO -
Sep 25 22:12:14 <QuazarGuy> you're saying the US going to war should be the will of the people and not a few
Sep 25 22:12:50 <Bosun> Yes.
Sep 25 22:13:14 <jyaworski> This is how it is in a representative democracy; it is always the will of the few, even at the ostensible request of the
Sep 25 22:13:17 <jyaworski> "people."
Sep 25 22:14:09 <jyaworski> Take Dianne Feinstein, who said that the supermajority of her constituents didn't support the war, but then said "but they don't know what I know. They don't go to the briefings." Which are, by the way, classified.
Sep 25 22:14:23 <Bosun> We have note declared war since 1941.
Sep 25 22:14:41 <Bosun> not
Sep 25 22:14:42 <adpaolucci> thats because you americans like to sneak attack
Sep 25 22:14:49 <adpaolucci> or just go on "AID missions"
Sep 25 22:14:52 <QuazarGuy> all the facts should be out in the open for everyone to see
Sep 25 22:14:58 <kusanagi> adpaolucci: please identify
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Sep 25 22:15:41 <kusanagi> sorry, misclick
Sep 25 22:15:53 <adpaolucci> I am Andrew Paolucci, outside international observer
Sep 25 22:15:59 <kusanagi> thank you
Sep 25 22:16:11 <kusanagi> the facts should be out there, but they are not.
Sep 25 22:17:01 <Bosun> And we should advocate for open public discourse and revelation of fact.
Sep 25 22:17:19 <kusanagi> Shall we put together a statement as such?
Sep 25 22:17:52 <jyaworski> One of our strengths is our strong commitment to radical transparency. Less classification, more open debate.
Sep 25 22:17:52 <QuazarGuy> I was copying some of the ideas to the pad
Sep 25 22:18:38 <kusanagi> QuazarGuy: thanks.
Sep 25 22:20:40 <Bosun> We should stick to a platform of the way government should operate and not get hung up on the ends. Ends are for religions and Bolsheviks.
Sep 25 22:21:14 <QuazarGuy> let the Syrians democratically sort out Syrian politics themselves
Sep 25 22:21:39 <Bosun> yes encourage negotiation
Sep 25 22:22:12 <Bosun> Killing just breeds more hate.
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Sep 25 22:23:14 <QuazarGuy> any outside intervention will be seen as illegitimate by the Syrians and will eventually lead to more civil unrest
Sep 25 22:23:29 <adpaolucci> Just like Iraq?
Sep 25 22:23:39 <QuazarGuy> haha yeah
Sep 25 22:24:42 <Bosun> Syria was once the jewel of the Eastern Empire and later of Islam. It has a great tradition as a center of civilization.
Sep 25 22:24:46 <kusanagi> Not to cut this short, but we do have other items to get to.
Sep 25 22:25:11 <Bosun> I fall silent now.
Sep 25 22:25:27 <kusanagi> Should we work on a statement?
Sep 25 22:25:31 <FrancisKlein> do we need a motion to create a first draft statement?
Sep 25 22:27:50 <kusanagi> No, especially because we're not going to have time to finish a statement before closing
Sep 25 22:27:53 <Bosun> I suggest Motion to draft a statement by next week. Francis and I are willing to draft
Sep 25 22:28:14 <kusanagi> No motion required, I believe.
Sep 25 22:29:06 <narrenburg> May you piratenpad it, please?
Sep 25 22:29:10 <kusanagi> ^
Sep 25 22:29:30 <kusanagi> Let us know the location of it, and hopefully something can be done by Friday or Saturday
Sep 25 22:29:33 <Bosun> yes and put on SAB
Sep 25 22:29:34 <FrancisKlein> did quazarguy already start a piratenpad?
Sep 25 22:29:40 <QuazarGuy> no
Sep 25 22:29:48 <FrancisKlein> ok i thought you said you did
Sep 25 22:30:02 <FrancisKlein> "I was copying some of the ideas to the pad"
Sep 25 22:30:35 <QuazarGuy> I have to go soon, Washington could use help writing up a candidate questionnaire, I will leave a link to the pad for it on the pad for this meeting
Sep 25 22:30:54 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: he meant the agenda
Sep 25 22:30:58 <FrancisKlein> ok. thanks. we will have it done by next meeting
Sep 25 22:31:01 <FrancisKlein> yes i see that
Sep 25 22:31:31 <kusanagi> Okay, moving onward
Sep 25 22:31:41 <kusanagi> Discussion of content for the main site was next..
Sep 25 22:32:11 <FrancisKlein> we need more content, and I need to post my candidacy stuff
Sep 25 22:32:20 <FrancisKlein> where on the website should I post?
Sep 25 22:32:43 <FrancisKlein> I have speeches and position papers everywhere
Sep 25 22:33:36 <kusanagi> If there's a PR for the candidacy, I can post it to social media
Sep 25 22:33:45 <kusanagi> the main site is under IT, and no password..
Sep 25 22:34:40 <FrancisKlein> so... nobody can post content on site without IT password
Sep 25 22:34:48 <FrancisKlein> correct?
Sep 25 22:34:51 <kusanagi> From my understanding, yeah.
Sep 25 22:34:57 <FrancisKlein> that's what I was afraid of
Sep 25 22:35:09 <FrancisKlein> I thought caleb said we could post, just not edit site itself
Sep 25 22:35:13 <FrancisKlein> I should go try...
Sep 25 22:35:26 <kusanagi> Go ahead, maybe I was mistaken
Sep 25 22:36:10 <FrancisKlein> yeah I don't see anything at first glance
Sep 25 22:36:22 <kusanagi> :/
Sep 25 22:36:42 <kusanagi> that's not what I hoped.
Sep 25 22:37:13 <OyajiVyse> I have access to the site
Sep 25 22:37:22 <OyajiVyse> tell me what you need, and I"ll post it
Sep 25 22:37:45 <Bosun> More sub delegation.
Sep 25 22:38:01 <OyajiVyse> can I give access to site?
Sep 25 22:38:24 <Bosun> I would like it.
Sep 25 22:38:28 <kusanagi> OyajiVyse: if you can, yeah
Sep 25 22:38:32 <kusanagi> go right ahead
Sep 25 22:39:21 <Bosun> you have my mail above
Sep 25 22:40:36 <kusanagi> noted
Sep 25 22:41:06 <kusanagi> are we good -- can we move to AOB?
Sep 25 22:42:58 <FrancisKlein> if bosun has access then we are good because we have the ability to post PR stuff
Sep 25 22:43:25 <kusanagi> just note that it's from PPWI in the top of the release, and we're good
Sep 25 22:43:45 <OyajiVyse> just set up Bosun
Sep 25 22:43:45 <FrancisKlein> of course
Sep 25 22:43:50 <FrancisKlein> awesome
Sep 25 22:43:54 <kusanagi> wonderful
Sep 25 22:43:56 <OyajiVyse> now waiting to see if I did it right lol
Sep 25 22:44:15 <kusanagi> FrancisKlein: how's the campaign moving/
Sep 25 22:44:25 <Bosun> not master key … but a key
Sep 25 22:44:57 <FrancisKlein> campaign is moving well - got an interview with madison newspaper, will let you know when they publish
Sep 25 22:45:37 <FrancisKlein> starting to finally delegate to volunteers, looking forward to establishing a good base so that we can get more than the amount of sigs needed for ballot status
Sep 25 22:46:04 <kusanagi> good!
Sep 25 22:46:07 <FrancisKlein> At the rate we are working, website should be beautiful and fully operational within the month
Sep 25 22:46:21 <FrancisKlein> within A month, not by the end of Sept
Sep 25 22:46:23 <FrancisKlein> sorry
Sep 25 22:46:46 <kusanagi> gotcha
Sep 25 22:46:47 <FrancisKlein> and I have got my hands on a voter database for free
Sep 25 22:47:08 <FrancisKlein> so now we can use that to canvass/phonebank
Sep 25 22:47:12 <FrancisKlein> which will be wonderful
Sep 25 22:47:33 <FrancisKlein> I'm having people wright up scripts for phonebanking and canvassing
Sep 25 22:47:34 <kusanagi> awesome
Sep 25 22:47:58 <FrancisKlein> and I'm continuing to release position papers and deride scott walker on twitter in the nicest way possible
Sep 25 22:48:17 <FrancisKlein> so - all good news.
Sep 25 22:48:28 <OyajiVyse> 12 minutes to end of meeting btw
Sep 25 22:48:34 <FrancisKlein> I just would like to reference you all to the facebook page - facebook.com/klein4wi
Sep 25 22:48:48 <FrancisKlein> hope you can like it and share it with friends.
Sep 25 22:49:02 <FrancisKlein> we may be a state race, but that does not mean that your support is useless.
Sep 25 22:49:19 <kusanagi> deriding in the nicest way possible, taking a page from my book ;)
Sep 25 22:49:29 <FrancisKlein> In fact, as a third party candidate that makes out of state support all the more important
Sep 25 22:49:44 <FrancisKlein> so please check out what we have going there
Sep 25 22:49:48 <FrancisKlein> thats it
Sep 25 22:49:49 <FrancisKlein> thanks
Sep 25 22:49:50 <kusanagi> awesome
Sep 25 22:49:51 <FrancisKlein> :)
Sep 25 22:50:10 <kusanagi> the next few things were IT specific
Sep 25 22:50:16 <FrancisKlein> yes indeed they were
Sep 25 22:50:19 <kusanagi> can those wait until saturday's IT meeting?
Sep 25 22:50:56 <FrancisKlein> if nobody has objections to them, I don't see why not. They do not have to be PNC motions if they still get done.
Sep 25 22:51:14 <FrancisKlein> But I think we should make sure that everyone agrees on those proposals
Sep 25 22:51:29 <FrancisKlein> otherwise I don't think addressing it outside of PNC is legitimate
Sep 25 22:52:33 <OyajiVyse> well if we can get through them in the next 8 minutes, I'm all for it
Sep 25 22:52:36 <kusanagi> IT is an extension of the PNC and has full authority to act however it needs to to accomplish its goals
Sep 25 22:52:45 <FrancisKlein> ok
Sep 25 22:52:53 <FrancisKlein> will bring up at IT committee then
Sep 25 22:53:03 <kusanagi> awesome
Sep 25 22:53:06 <FrancisKlein> I was not aware if they needed a motion or not
Sep 25 22:53:10 <kusanagi> they do not
Sep 25 22:53:15 <FrancisKlein> ok
Sep 25 22:53:19 <kusanagi> but that is appreciated
Sep 25 22:53:48 <kusanagi> the committee topics, can they be included in next weeks agenda?
Sep 25 22:54:00 <FrancisKlein> If IT cannot address on Sat due to lack of people on IT, then I will bring it up next week
Sep 25 22:54:04 <FrancisKlein> and yes absolutely
Sep 25 22:54:07 <kusanagi> only because we are short on time and someone is waiting ever so patiently
Sep 25 22:54:12 <FrancisKlein> I didn't write all of them for just one night
Sep 25 22:54:14 <kusanagi> thank you thank you
Sep 25 22:54:15 <kusanagi> <3
Sep 25 22:54:32 <kusanagi> ok, many of us hae heard of stopwatching.us
Sep 25 22:54:45 <kusanagi> we have n0pants here to talk about a rally going on next month
Sep 25 22:54:54 <kusanagi> but he has 6 minutes.
Sep 25 22:54:54 <n0pants> oh hi
Sep 25 22:55:02 <kusanagi> can you introduce yourself?
Sep 25 22:55:02 <n0pants> gr8 :-)
Sep 25 22:55:32 <kusanagi> and the rally, of course
Sep 25 22:56:00 <n0pants> I'm an agent w/ Telecomix (ad-hoc hacktivist cluster)
Sep 25 22:56:11 <kusanagi> name please.
Sep 25 22:56:18 <n0pants> currently I'm helping out folks on https://rally.stopwatching.us
Sep 25 22:56:40 <n0pants> they're organizing protest in DC on Oct 26 & lobbying congress the day before
Sep 25 22:56:51 <n0pants> busing people in, etc.
Sep 25 22:57:14 <n0pants> we're looking for groups/indiv./corps to add as supporters
Sep 25 22:57:33 <n0pants> and asking for help reaching out to your members
Sep 25 22:57:41 <n0pants> big push starts tomorrow
Sep 25 22:57:52 <n0pants> ...
Sep 25 22:57:58 <n0pants> that's about it, I think
Sep 25 22:58:03 <kusanagi> name. :)
Sep 25 22:58:08 <n0pants> OH RIGHT
Sep 25 22:58:15 <kusanagi> lol
Sep 25 22:58:37 <kusanagi> I gave the word that USPP does support the rally
Sep 25 22:58:42 <n0pants> sorry, my name's Pete Fein / @wearpants / this is me: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17914501
Sep 25 22:59:02 <Bosun> sans-culottes?
Sep 25 22:59:08 <kusanagi> and state parties should consider endorsing it as well
Sep 25 23:00:11 <OyajiVyse> very cool
Sep 25 23:00:17 <OyajiVyse> on that note, time is up
Sep 25 23:00:27 <OyajiVyse> motion to adjourn the meeting
Sep 25 23:00:32 <FrancisKlein> econd
Sep 25 23:00:33 <kusanagi> We can go a few more minutes
Sep 25 23:00:38 <kusanagi> we did start late
Sep 25 23:01:04 <n0pants> I'll keep a bouncer here if folks have questions or want to endorse
Sep 25 23:01:10 <kusanagi> n0pants: any word on when USPP will show on the site as a endorsement?
Sep 25 23:01:37 * Fatbag (~quassel@icj-070-57-73-332.public.utexas.edu) has joined #pnc
Sep 25 23:01:54 <kusanagi> And a few quick rundown of things
Sep 25 23:01:56 <n0pants> kusanagi: mmm, might be a little bit, everyone's heads down for launch, but should be in next few days at most
Sep 25 23:02:13 <kusanagi> awesome.
Sep 25 23:02:32 <kusanagi> i have posts going up ~1030am Eastern, so there's that
Sep 25 23:02:38 <kusanagi> Washington is requesting help on developing a candidate questionnaire: http://piratepad.net/Wa6qPubnpZ
Sep 25 23:02:54 <kusanagi> if you have anything to add, please do so on behalf of WAPP
Sep 25 23:03:38 <kusanagi> and this last thing: Consider the removal of non-active states from the pNC
Sep 25 23:04:03 <kusanagi> meetings are harder to start when people don't want to show, or member-state parties fall off the planet
Sep 25 23:04:33 <kusanagi> Or don't want to show
Sep 25 23:04:40 <kusanagi> They can easily rejoin later
Sep 25 23:04:53 <kusanagi> but for everyone's sake so we can actually get meetings rolling.
Sep 25 23:05:16 <kusanagi> And that's all I have
Sep 25 23:05:26 <kusanagi> Anyone wish to add anything, n0pants included?
Sep 25 23:06:06 <OyajiVyse> nothing on my end
Sep 25 23:06:14 <FrancisKlein> don't think so
Sep 25 23:06:23 <MrSquared> I had a comment
Sep 25 23:06:53 <kusanagi> go ahead
Sep 25 23:07:18 <MrSquared> We shouldn't let the negativity of individuals bring us down. We should try our best to not "feed the trolls" as they say.
Sep 25 23:07:51 <MrSquared> Just an observation
Sep 25 23:07:56 <kusanagi> I assume you're referring to one or two individuals in particular?
Sep 25 23:08:04 <MrSquared> Yes'm
Sep 25 23:08:05 <kusanagi> mostly SAB list?
Sep 25 23:08:16 <MrSquared> Correct
Sep 25 23:08:36 <FrancisKlein> Did I respond to that in a bad way?
Sep 25 23:08:39 <kusanagi> I don't take it personally, at least not anymore
Sep 25 23:08:44 <kusanagi> no, you did so wonderfully
Sep 25 23:08:58 <kusanagi> notice his lack of response
Sep 25 23:09:03 <FrancisKlein> ok good because it pissed me off
Sep 25 23:09:08 <MrSquared> No, it was great, thank you for keeping the peace
Sep 25 23:09:12 <FrancisKlein> and his lack of attendance
Sep 25 23:09:16 <FrancisKlein> ...
Sep 25 23:09:21 <FrancisKlein> anyway
Sep 25 23:09:22 <kusanagi> see above about pnc removal
Sep 25 23:09:35 <MrSquared> mm
Sep 25 23:09:41 <FrancisKlein> well, at least he spoke up
Sep 25 23:09:46 <kusanagi> yeah
Sep 25 23:09:54 <FrancisKlein> better than not saying anything, i guess
Sep 25 23:09:56 <kusanagi> and seriously, if there's anything that needs to be brought up
Sep 25 23:10:01 <kusanagi> email dan or me
Sep 25 23:10:02 <FrancisKlein> absolutely
Sep 25 23:10:03 <kusanagi> or call me
Sep 25 23:10:15 <kusanagi> seriously, the tx pirates call all the time
Sep 25 23:10:21 <FrancisKlein> haha really?
Sep 25 23:10:38 <kusanagi> yep!
Sep 25 23:10:47 <FrancisKlein> can you PM me phone number? I don't think I have it
Sep 25 23:11:08 <kusanagi> uspirates.org has it
Sep 25 23:11:13 <FrancisKlein> oh right
Sep 25 23:11:13 <FrancisKlein> ok
Sep 25 23:11:17 <kusanagi> I've gotten some great stories out of it too
Sep 25 23:11:24 <kusanagi> but that's for another time
Sep 25 23:11:25 <FrancisKlein> i bet
Sep 25 23:11:30 <FrancisKlein> ...
Sep 25 23:11:34 <FrancisKlein> motion to adjourn?
Sep 25 23:11:40 <kusanagi> if you wanna
Sep 25 23:11:41 <kusanagi> lol
Sep 25 23:11:43 <FrancisKlein> so moved
Sep 25 23:11:49 <kusanagi> dan's grumbling, prolly
Sep 25 23:11:57 <kusanagi> any seconds?
Sep 25 23:12:05 <OyajiVyse> second
Sep 25 23:12:11 <OyajiVyse> why'd I be grumbling?
Sep 25 23:12:52 <OyajiVyse> all in favor?
Sep 25 23:12:55 <FrancisKlein> aye
Sep 25 23:12:58 <OyajiVyse> aye
Sep 25 23:13:11 <kusanagi> because i ignored your motion
Sep 25 23:13:14 <MrSquared> aye
Sep 25 23:13:21 <kusanagi> ping narrenburg
Sep 25 23:13:33 <kusanagi> I know QuazarGuy left for the night
Sep 25 23:14:41 <kusanagi> well, we're way over time anyway
Sep 25 23:14:49 <kusanagi> calling it for the night, 11:14
Sep 25 23:14:58 <OyajiVyse> 3 aye, 2 abstain
</pre>

PNC 9/18/13

2013-09-24T00:58:17Z

OyajiVyse: Created page with "No Meeting"

No Meeting

Meeting Minutes

2013-09-24T00:57:57Z

OyajiVyse:

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{{PNC NAV}}
==2012==
{| style="width:100%;"
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===January===
===February===
===March===
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===April===
*[[PNC 4/25/12|4/25/12]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
*[[PNC 5/16/12|5/16/12]]
*[[PNC 5/23/12|5/23/12]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/6/12|6/6/12]]
*[[PNC 6/13/12|6/13/12]]
*[[PNC 6/20/12|6/20/12]]
*[[PNC 6/27/12|6/27/12]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/1/12|8/1/12]]
*[[PNC 8/8/12|8/8/12]]
*[[PNC 8/15/12|8/15/12]]
*[[PNC 8/22/12|8/22/12]]
*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
*[[PNC 9/12/12|9/12/12]]
*[[PNC 9/19/12|9/19/12]]
*[[PNC 9/26/12|9/26/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|'
===October===
*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
*[[PNC 10/10/12|10/10/12]]
*[[PNC 10/17/12|10/17/12]]
*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
|}
{{PNC NAV}}
==2013==
{| style="width:100%;"
|-
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
*[[PNC 1/9/13|1/9/13]]
*[[PNC 1/23/13|1/23/13]]
===February===
*[[PNC 2/6/13|2/6/13]]
===March===
*[[PNC 3/6/13|3/6/13]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/3/13|4/3/13]]
*[[PNC 4/10/13|4/10/13]]
*[[PNC 4/24/13|4/24/13]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/8/13|5/8/13]]
*[[PNC 5/22/13|5/22/13]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/12/13|6/12/13]]
*[[PNC 6/19/13|6/19/13]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/3/13|7/3/13]]
*[[PNC 7/24/13|7/24/13]]
*[[PNC 7/31/13|7/31/13]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/7/13|8/7/13]]
*[[PNC 8/14/13|8/14/13]]
*[[PNC 8/21/13|8/21/13]]
*[[PNC 8/28/13|8/28/13]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/4/13|9/4/13]]
*[[PNC 9/11/13|9/11/13]]
*[[PNC 9/18/13|9/18/13]]
*[[PNC 9/25/13|9/25/13]]
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USPP Home/Party Updates

2013-09-24T00:56:19Z

OyajiVyse:

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[{{fullurl:USPP_Home/Party Updates|action=edit}} Edit] this section
''September 25th''
*''Meeting Scheduled for 9PM EDT''
''September 18th''
*''No Meeting''
''September 11th''
*[[PNC 9/11/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''September 4th''
*[[PNC 9/4/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 28th''
*[[PNC 8/28/13| PNC Meeting]]
''August 21st''
*[[PNC 8/21/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 14th''
*''No Meeting''
''August 7th''
*[[PNC 8/7/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
'''''Minutes before this point were lost during a move to a new host. Sorry for the inconvenience.'''''
 
''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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PNC 9/11/13

2013-09-24T00:54:38Z

OyajiVyse:

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 9/11/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/11/2013

==Minutes==
'''Record of the meeting'''

=== 1 - ATTENDEES ===
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
*Attending

*Excused

*Unexcused

*Probation

==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====

=== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ===
*Quorum is not established
*Logging Enabled: Yes

=== 3 - Review of previous minutes ===
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/4/2013

=== 4 - REPORTS ===

==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====

=== 5 - Agenda Items ===

*IT report
*Continued discussion of WI Capital incident
*Discussion of US involvement in Syria

=== - AOB - ===

*Next meeting: September 25th at 9:00PM EDT

PNC 9/11/13

2013-09-24T00:51:51Z

OyajiVyse: Created page with "<filler>"

PNC 9/4/13

2013-09-10T00:54:15Z

OyajiVyse: /* - AOB - */

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 09/04/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/4/2013

==Minutes==

*Meeting postponed to next week

=== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ===
*Meeting called at: 9:34 PM EDT
*Quorum is not established
*Logging Enabled: Yes

=== 3 - Review of previous minutes ===
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_8/28/2013

=== 5 - Agenda Items ===

*IT report
*Continued discussion of WI Capital incident mentioned from last meeting

=== - AOB - ===

*Next meeting: September 11th at 9:00 PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 9:34 PM EDT

PNC 9/4/13

2013-09-10T00:54:01Z

OyajiVyse: /* - AOB - */

PNC 9/4/13

2013-09-10T00:53:29Z

OyajiVyse: Created page with "=::PNC Meeting Agenda::= ::'''--- 09/04/2013 21:00h EDT ---''' ::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net ::Room: #pnc ::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/4/2013 ==Minutes== *Meeting ..."

USPP Home/Party Updates

2013-09-10T00:52:53Z

OyajiVyse:

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''September 4th''
*[[PNC 9/4/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 28th''
*[[PNC 8/28/13| PNC Meeting]]
''August 21st''
*[[PNC 8/21/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 14th''
*''No Meeting''
''August 7th''
*[[PNC 8/7/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
'''''Minutes before this point were lost during a move to a new host. Sorry for the inconvenience.'''''
 
''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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Meeting Minutes

2013-09-10T00:43:41Z

OyajiVyse:

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{{PNC NAV}}
==2012==
{| style="width:100%;"
|-
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
===February===
===March===
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/25/12|4/25/12]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
*[[PNC 5/16/12|5/16/12]]
*[[PNC 5/23/12|5/23/12]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/6/12|6/6/12]]
*[[PNC 6/13/12|6/13/12]]
*[[PNC 6/20/12|6/20/12]]
*[[PNC 6/27/12|6/27/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===July===
*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/1/12|8/1/12]]
*[[PNC 8/8/12|8/8/12]]
*[[PNC 8/15/12|8/15/12]]
*[[PNC 8/22/12|8/22/12]]
*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
*[[PNC 9/12/12|9/12/12]]
*[[PNC 9/19/12|9/19/12]]
*[[PNC 9/26/12|9/26/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|'
===October===
*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
*[[PNC 10/10/12|10/10/12]]
*[[PNC 10/17/12|10/17/12]]
*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
|}
{{PNC NAV}}
==2013==
{| style="width:100%;"
|-
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
*[[PNC 1/9/13|1/9/13]]
*[[PNC 1/23/13|1/23/13]]
===February===
*[[PNC 2/6/13|2/6/13]]
===March===
*[[PNC 3/6/13|3/6/13]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/3/13|4/3/13]]
*[[PNC 4/10/13|4/10/13]]
*[[PNC 4/24/13|4/24/13]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/8/13|5/8/13]]
*[[PNC 5/22/13|5/22/13]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/12/13|6/12/13]]
*[[PNC 6/19/13|6/19/13]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===July===
*[[PNC 7/3/13|7/3/13]]
*[[PNC 7/24/13|7/24/13]]
*[[PNC 7/31/13|7/31/13]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/7/13|8/7/13]]
*[[PNC 8/14/13|8/14/13]]
*[[PNC 8/21/13|8/21/13]]
*[[PNC 8/28/13|8/28/13]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/4/13|9/4/13]]
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|}
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USPP Home/Party Updates

2013-09-03T00:57:43Z

OyajiVyse:

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[{{fullurl:USPP_Home/Party Updates|action=edit}} Edit] this section
''August 28th''
*[[PNC 8/28/13| PNC Meeting]]
''August 21st''
*[[PNC 8/21/13| PNC Meeting postponed]]
''August 14th''
*''No Meeting''
''August 7th''
*[[PNC 8/7/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
'''''Minutes before this point were lost during a move to a new host. Sorry for the inconvenience.'''''
 
''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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PNC 8/28/13

2013-09-03T00:55:35Z

OyajiVyse: Created page with "=::PNC Meeting Agenda::= ::'''--- 08/28/2013 21:00h EDT ---''' ::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net ::Room: #pnc ::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_8/28/13 ==Minutes== *IT Report ..."

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 08/28/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_8/28/13

==Minutes==
*IT Report

=== 1 - ATTENDEES ===
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
*Attending
**Joseph Klein - WI
**Kyle DeVore - OR
**Lucia Fiero - MA
**Daniel Gorski - NY

*Excused

*Unexcused

*Probation

==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====

=== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ===
*Meeting called to order at: 9:13 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 4 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes

=== 3 - Review of previous minutes ===
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_8/21/13

=== 4 - REPORTS ===

==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====
*Meetings held every Saturday
**Times announced via SAB list
*Joseph still needs keys
*Longtail has volunteered to help with wiki

=== 5 - Agenda Items ===
*Update from IT committee

=== - AOB - ===
*Help needed to bring attention to WI Capital police's illegal actions

*Next meeting: September 4th at 9:00PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 10:04 PM EDT

=== - Logs of the Meeting - ===
<pre>
Aug 28 21:13:36 <kusi> Time is 9:13 pm, I call this meeting to order
Aug 28 21:14:05 <kusi> Please identify with you're name, state of residence and your position
Aug 28 21:14:25 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NYPP Rep
Aug 28 21:14:34 <Bosun> Joseph Klein, Wisconsin
Aug 28 21:14:36 <MrSquared> Kyle DeVore, Oregon Rep
Aug 28 21:15:01 <MrSquared> also: http://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-2013-8-28?
Aug 28 21:15:08 <kusi> Thanks
Aug 28 21:15:37 <kusi> I'm mobile, so I didn't have it
Aug 28 21:15:54 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero MA
Aug 28 21:16:07 <Bluestreak> MA rep
Aug 28 21:17:09 <kusi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY captain
Aug 28 21:17:19 <kusi> Awesome
Aug 28 21:17:35 <kusi> So, first up, it committee
Aug 28 21:17:56 <kusi> Bosun?
Aug 28 21:19:12 <Bosun> IT - I have been patiently holding meetings each Saturday. I will repost the next date and time. I still need the keys though.
Aug 28 21:19:29 <Bosun> Longtail agreed to help on wiki udates
Aug 28 21:20:24 <kusi> Caleb has still not given you the keys
Aug 28 21:21:02 <Bosun> Correct. … Suppose I need to pester more.
Aug 28 21:21:27 <kusi> I'll call him tonight
Aug 28 21:22:13 <kusi> Any further
Aug 28 21:22:27 <Bosun> I have some time during my commute to work on stuff -- Or anyone can call me 414 628-3380 - best between 615 and 8am central
Aug 28 21:23:03 <kusi> Awesome
Aug 28 21:24:13 <Bosun> Oh and how do I get IRC rights for #uspp-it .. ryes again I guesss.
Aug 28 21:24:25 <Bosun> keys
Aug 28 21:25:33 <kusi> Caleb had it, last I checked. You and I can get the ircops
Aug 28 21:25:38 <Bosun> Pretty much it happy to have help and work with the resources we have available.
Aug 28 21:26:00 <kusi> Awesome :d
Aug 28 21:27:05 <kusi> I know that's the only thing on the agenda
Aug 28 21:27:35 <kusi> Is there any new business to be brought up?
Aug 28 21:28:39 <Bosun> You know we really want any help we can get to make a point about the illegal actions of our Wisconsin Capital police.
Aug 28 21:29:33 <OyajiVyse> what happened?
Aug 28 21:29:37 <kusi> Has anything been written by you guys? We can post it
Aug 28 21:30:09 <Bluestreak> Yes do blog.
Aug 28 21:30:22 <Bluestreak> I haven't been writing because I have had pneumonia
Aug 28 21:30:26 <Bosun> Hari has something … I can forward it
Aug 28 21:30:39 <Bluestreak> Yay!
Aug 28 21:31:01 <Bosun> Monday the wrestled a guy to the ground for taking pictures.
Aug 28 21:31:09 <Bosun> the
Aug 28 21:31:17 <Bosun> the police
Aug 28 21:31:37 <OyajiVyse> oh wow
Aug 28 21:32:17 <Bosun> http://t.co/ji1LZ9ceCb
Aug 28 21:33:41 <kusi> Holy..
Aug 28 21:34:13 <Bosun> When the capital was designated as a national historical place it was called by the state as a "public place" so it is covered under the Bill of Riight and the Wisconsin Constitution.
Aug 28 21:35:04 <Bosun> ACLU is ll over it but the ruling is stonewalled in court.
Aug 28 21:35:38 <OyajiVyse> that's messed up
Aug 28 21:36:05 <Bluestreak> This *should* be national headline news. Lapdogs.
Aug 28 21:36:20 <Bosun> So if you know and celebs, foreign dignitaries, etc … direct them to sing in Madison.
Aug 28 21:36:30 <Bluestreak> lol
Aug 28 21:36:45 <Bluestreak> Yes, the singers should appeal to other nations
Aug 28 21:37:11 <Bluestreak> Like UN election observers we need singing observers from all over the world!
Aug 28 21:37:26 <Bosun> The police chief was given a raise by Scott Walker
Aug 28 21:37:46 <Bosun> Scott wants to be president.
Aug 28 21:38:53 <Bosun> He has called demonstrators - terrorists.
Aug 28 21:39:27 <MrSquared> I'm not sure if he understands what "terror" is
Aug 28 21:39:49 <kusi> Yeah... I'm sure he's the terrorist
Aug 28 21:40:18 <MrSquared> The only terror I saw was in the eyes of the guy getting dogpiled
Aug 28 21:40:33 <Bosun> He is a corporatist - strait on the ALEC - Koch money train.
Aug 28 21:41:06 <Bluestreak> Who can we invite?
Aug 28 21:41:19 <Bosun> His terror is that free speech a public debate might stop the gravy from flowing.
Aug 28 21:41:27 <Bluestreak> I think I am going to invite Birgitta. Wish me luck.
Aug 28 21:41:48 <Bosun> We can cover her stay.
Aug 28 21:41:56 <Bluestreak> Really?
Aug 28 21:42:01 <Bluestreak> I will mention that!
Aug 28 21:42:13 <Bluestreak> Um... airfare?
Aug 28 21:42:13 <Bosun> If she can get to Chicago we cash cover the rest of the trip.
Aug 28 21:42:24 <Bluestreak> Wow.
Aug 28 21:42:34 <kusi> That's very generous
Aug 28 21:42:39 <Bluestreak> Do YOU want to ask her?
Aug 28 21:42:58 <Bosun> I think it would be gray.
Aug 28 21:43:03 <Bosun> great.
Aug 28 21:43:07 <Bluestreak> Perhaps you can make the pitch better than I can
Aug 28 21:43:41 <Bluestreak> Pirate to Pirate pitch. You can do it!
Aug 28 21:43:51 <Bluestreak> Or I can...
Aug 28 21:43:59 <Bluestreak> I've just been so beat this week
Aug 28 21:44:27 <Bluestreak> Who else?
Aug 28 21:44:31 <Bluestreak> Woody Harrelson!
Aug 28 21:44:34 <Bosun> More voices …
Aug 28 21:44:36 <kusi> I can help write a bit
Aug 28 21:44:37 <Bluestreak> Willie Nelson
Aug 28 21:45:29 <Bosun> I a certain we get a few celebs they will all want to go to Madison to get arrested.
Aug 28 21:45:37 <Bosun> I Am..
Aug 28 21:45:47 <Bluestreak> Who is local in WI or Chicago who you know of?
Aug 28 21:45:53 <kusi> Hell, Cory Doctorow
Aug 28 21:46:12 <Bluestreak> OK here is the thing with him
Aug 28 21:46:21 <Bluestreak> I asked him to come to PirateCon
Aug 28 21:46:32 <Bluestreak> He said only if he is already in the country
Aug 28 21:46:39 <Bluestreak> (He lives in in London)
Aug 28 21:46:59 <kusi> Ahh
Aug 28 21:47:01 <Bluestreak> Otherwise he expects his expenses to be covered and he only flies first class
Aug 28 21:47:07 <Bluestreak> (because of his back)
Aug 28 21:47:12 <Bluestreak> He was very nice
Aug 28 21:47:21 <Bluestreak> And got back to me IMMEDEATELY
Aug 28 21:47:32 <Bluestreak> but yeah, ask him what he is up to
Aug 28 21:48:04 <Bluestreak> If his shcedule has him in the medwest US I bet he totally would
Aug 28 21:48:24 <Bosun> As I said … If anyone can get to Chicago we will get them to Madison.
Aug 28 21:48:34 <kusi> I'll check it out
Aug 28 21:49:36 <Bosun> So far the singers show up every day and the Capital police arrest some every day.
Aug 28 21:49:38 <Bluestreak> Closest he will be is San Fran in Oct
Aug 28 21:49:59 <kusi> We should organize it into a day of protest
Aug 28 21:55:04 <OyajiVyse> my apologies, but something has come up that needs my attention
Aug 28 21:55:30 <OyajiVyse> this should be continued over sab and over the site, in my opinion
Aug 28 21:55:38 <OyajiVyse> or next meeting as well?
Aug 28 21:55:56 <Bluestreak> NP with me
Aug 28 21:56:09 <kusi> Yeah.. This means we lose quorum
Aug 28 21:56:19 <kusi> One more thing
Aug 28 21:56:42 <kusi> On Monday I found out that I'll be having surgery again on my wrist
Aug 28 21:57:03 <kusi> It was scheduled today for bext Wednesday
Aug 28 21:57:10 <kusi> Er, next
Aug 28 21:57:26 <Bluestreak> So no PNC?
Aug 28 21:58:04 <kusi> As of right now, I don't know what will be going on, and it's six Weeks to recover
Aug 28 21:59:08 <kusi> If Caleb is doing the meeting, I will let you know
Aug 28 21:59:29 <Bluestreak> OK. Really sorry about last week.
Aug 28 21:59:36 <kusi> If not, we will see from there
Aug 28 21:59:47 <kusi> You're sick, you should be resting
Aug 28 22:00:00 <kusi> And drink ing medicine and run
Aug 28 22:00:01 <Bluestreak> I shouldn't have been out last Wed
Aug 28 22:00:02 <kusi> Rum
Aug 28 22:00:05 <Bluestreak> My heart hurt
Aug 28 22:00:23 <kusi> K
Aug 28 22:00:28 <kusi> :=
Aug 28 22:00:36 <Bluestreak> LOL
Aug 28 22:00:36 <kusi> Omg. I hate his phonw
Aug 28 22:00:57 <kusi> Insert frown face
Aug 28 22:01:01 <Bluestreak> Well sending good juju for easy surgery and quick recovery
Aug 28 22:01:12 <kusi> Thank you.
Aug 28 22:01:43 <kusi> Anything else?
Aug 28 22:01:46 <kusi> For tonight
Aug 28 22:02:30 <MrSquared> not that I can think of
Aug 28 22:02:52 <OyajiVyse> so motion to adjourn?
Aug 28 22:03:06 <kusi> If you want to so move
Aug 28 22:03:15 <Bosun> i so move
Aug 28 22:03:20 <Bosun> *this is HariSeldon
Aug 28 22:03:23 <MrSquared> i second
Aug 28 22:03:27 <OyajiVyse> all in favor?
Aug 28 22:03:30 <Bosun> aye
Aug 28 22:03:31 <OyajiVyse> aye
Aug 28 22:03:31 <MrSquared> aye
Aug 28 22:04:19 <OyajiVyse> 3 in favor, one abstain
Aug 28 22:04:24 <OyajiVyse> ayes have it, motion passed
Aug 28 22:04:42 <kusi> Have a good night. Meeting next to be announced
</pre>

PNC 8/21/13

2013-08-27T01:41:21Z

OyajiVyse:

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 08/21/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
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==Minutes==

*Meeting postponed to next week

PNC 8/7/13

2013-08-19T15:45:15Z

OyajiVyse: /* - AOB - */

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==Minutes==
*No IT report, due to IT Chair's absence
*Possibility of putting parties without attendance on probation
**CA
*Motion to add ammendment to bylaws as follows: Bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
**Motion passed: 4 aye, 1 abstain
**State parties should ratify as well
*Interview of Lindsay-Anne Brunner by Jim Brown on Common Sense radio show regarding Pirate Party
**Went well, followup to be scheduled
**Interview can be found at : http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/jimBrownCommonSense/archives.php
=== 1 - ATTENDEES ===
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
*Attending
**Francis Klein - WI
**Lucia Fiero - MA
**Daniel Gorski - NY
**Bradley Hall - FL
**Jeffrey Talada - WA
*Excused
**N/A
*Unexcused
**CA
**OR
**GA
*Probation
==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====
==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster
==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====
=== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ===
*Meeting called to order at: 9:00 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes
=== 3 - Review of previous minutes ===
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_7/31/13
=== 4 - REPORTS ===
*N/A
==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====
*N/A
=== 5 - Agenda Items ===
*Old Business:
**Implementation of amendment to bylaws to include "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
*New Business:
**Recap of Lindsay-Anne Brunner's radio interview
=== - AOB - ===
*New content for USPP blog regarding the digital divide
*Francis Klein's candidacy writings available at:
[http://www.wipp.coop www.wipp.coop]
*Next meeting: 2013-8-14 at 9:0PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 11:01 PM EDT

=== - Logs of the Meeting - ===
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Aug 07 21:01:05 <kusi> Time is now 9:00PM, meeting is opened
Aug 07 21:01:11 <Bluestreak> Oh Hari!
Aug 07 21:01:18 <HariSeldon> Francis Klein, WI
Aug 07 21:01:21 <kusi> Please state your name, and state you're representing
Aug 07 21:01:25 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero MA rep
Aug 07 21:01:31 <HariSeldon> Ah bluestreak!
Aug 07 21:01:35 <HariSeldon> I forgot - sorry
Aug 07 21:01:38 <HariSeldon> a little busy
Aug 07 21:01:40 <Bluestreak> NP
Aug 07 21:01:49 <Bluestreak> Was doing for you!
Aug 07 21:01:52 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NYPP rep
Aug 07 21:01:54 <kusi> OyajiVyse, Rush
Aug 07 21:01:55 <Bluestreak> NVM we can try again
Aug 07 21:02:01 <kusi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY capt
Aug 07 21:02:07 <kusi> Please save other conversations for PM
Aug 07 21:02:11 <Rush> Sorry, I was in the wrong room
Aug 07 21:02:17 <Rush> Bradley Hall, FL
Aug 07 21:03:16 <Bluestreak> Sorry, sir.
Aug 07 21:03:23 <kusi> I see we're missing Caleb yet again.
Aug 07 21:03:34 <HariSeldon> ugh
Aug 07 21:03:48 <HariSeldon> unfortunate
Aug 07 21:03:52 <HariSeldon> quite unfortunate
Aug 07 21:03:57 <HariSeldon> do we have quorum?
Aug 07 21:04:02 <kusi> So, again, no IT report. Bosun has said he's interested in co-chairing or chairing
Aug 07 21:04:09 <kusi> That will be arranged this week.
Aug 07 21:04:24 <kusi> Another point to bring up, really fast
Aug 07 21:04:27 <HariSeldon> he is here with me - although not online
Aug 07 21:04:38 <HariSeldon> so if you need to ask bosun, I can talk for him
Aug 07 21:04:50 <kusi> there are several member-state parties who haven't shown in a while
Aug 07 21:04:59 <kusi> california is the big example
Aug 07 21:05:03 <HariSeldon> indeed
Aug 07 21:05:08 <HariSeldon> do we have quorum?
Aug 07 21:05:11 <kusi> we do
Aug 07 21:05:15 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:05:17 <kusi> Meeting can't be opened without
Aug 07 21:05:17 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:05:21 <HariSeldon> right
Aug 07 21:05:23 <HariSeldon> duh
Aug 07 21:05:24 <kusi> It's fine
Aug 07 21:06:32 <kusi> There is the option of removing the non-attending state parties
Aug 07 21:06:35 <HariSeldon> quick question - do we have anyone from WA here?
Aug 07 21:06:43 <kusi> Jeff talada is in #uspp
Aug 07 21:06:45 <kusi> not in here
Aug 07 21:06:49 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:07:00 <HariSeldon> as to that option - I believe that should not be done
Aug 07 21:07:13 <kusi> Why?
Aug 07 21:07:14 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 21:07:15 <HariSeldon> not before we make at least one contact, i think
Aug 07 21:07:28 <kusi> pI've made several contacts to no response.
Aug 07 21:07:52 <Bluestreak> Sigh
Aug 07 21:07:54 <kusi> and the CAPP social media and websites don't seem to be updated
Aug 07 21:08:03 <HariSeldon> i know - me too, but are we talking about just CAPP or others too?
Aug 07 21:08:23 <kusi> I'm focusing on CAPP right now.
Aug 07 21:08:29 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:08:34 <kusi> I know ORPP is somewhat dead-in-the-water
Aug 07 21:08:35 <HariSeldon> fair enough
Aug 07 21:08:46 <kusi> GAPP, god knows.
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Aug 07 21:09:44 <kusi> So, it may help to remove the parties that have since fizzled
Aug 07 21:10:09 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 21:10:13 <HariSeldon> i suppose
Aug 07 21:11:30 <kusi> it's up to you guys, but I'd recommend it
Aug 07 21:11:53 <kusi> So, onto less depressing things
Aug 07 21:12:01 <HariSeldon> are they on probation?
Aug 07 21:12:05 <HariSeldon> or something like that
Aug 07 21:12:11 <kusi> we need to vote them onto probation
Aug 07 21:12:22 <HariSeldon> what does probation entail
Aug 07 21:13:00 <kusi> probation is detailed in the bylaws
Aug 07 21:13:16 <kusi> the biggest thing is they lose their full-vite and member status
Aug 07 21:13:16 <HariSeldon> ok, if I can't be lazy...
Aug 07 21:13:21 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 21:13:26 <kusi> vote. not vite
Aug 07 21:13:32 <Bluestreak> Do what you have to do, sir.
Aug 07 21:14:03 <kusi> It's up to the reps.
Aug 07 21:14:16 <HariSeldon> I believe that voting them into probation might be the best idea, then making sure they are harrased and asked to come back at every opportunity
Aug 07 21:14:27 <kusi> I've harrassed them, trust me
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Aug 07 21:15:22 <HariSeldon> i understand, but I believe that telling them they are now on probation would have more of an impact
Aug 07 21:15:27 <kusi> it seems that they burnt out/ran out of steam
Aug 07 21:15:31 <kusi> it coul
Aug 07 21:15:33 <kusi> could
Aug 07 21:16:11 <HariSeldon> regardless, we should deal with it in new business
Aug 07 21:16:15 <kusi> yeah
Aug 07 21:16:21 <kusi> onwaaard
Aug 07 21:16:23 <kusi> *Old Business:
Aug 07 21:16:23 <kusi> **Implementation of amendment to bylaws to include "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
Aug 07 21:17:35 <HariSeldon> what sort of implementation information do we need?
Aug 07 21:17:44 <HariSeldon> should we amend the bylaws to include more info?
Aug 07 21:18:03 <kusi> the implementation is the amended bylaw itself
Aug 07 21:19:13 <HariSeldon> so we need to amend the bylaws to include implementation?
Aug 07 21:21:07 * QuazarGuy (webchat@e-71-101-706-238.hsd5.wa.comcast.net) has joined #pnc
Aug 07 21:21:19 <kusi> yes
Aug 07 21:21:22 <kusi> no
Aug 07 21:21:25 <Bluestreak> Jeff!
Aug 07 21:21:33 <kusi> implementation is the bylaw itself
Aug 07 21:21:41 <QuazarGuy> hey everyone
Aug 07 21:21:42 <kusi> it may have been poor wordign
Aug 07 21:21:49 <QuazarGuy> Jeffrey Talada, WA
Aug 07 21:21:49 <kusi> QuazarGuy, identify for the record please
Aug 07 21:21:51 <kusi> thansk
Aug 07 21:22:33 <kusi> so it just is creating an amendment to the bylaws to include something that covers the committees
Aug 07 21:22:40 <kusi> e "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
Aug 07 21:22:40 <Bluestreak> OK
Aug 07 21:23:37 <QuazarGuy> where are we on the agenda?
Aug 07 21:24:35 <HariSeldon> old business
Aug 07 21:24:54 <kusi> the first *
Aug 07 21:25:08 <QuazarGuy> thanks
Aug 07 21:25:21 <HariSeldon> so what exactly do we need to do? I'm sorry, but I'll admit that I'm still rather confused
Aug 07 21:25:41 <kusi> that's okay
Aug 07 21:26:21 <kusi> last meeting, there was a suggestion to create a new bylaw to stop the lack of information about the committees
Aug 07 21:26:41 <kusi> forcing them to report at each meeting
Aug 07 21:27:03 <kusi> a (repeated) failure to do that could result in the removal of the chair
Aug 07 21:28:15 <HariSeldon> oh im sorry for some reason I had it in my mind that we already made it an amendment
Aug 07 21:28:24 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:29:26 <kusi> not yet
Aug 07 21:30:39 <HariSeldon> ommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC.
Aug 07 21:30:45 <HariSeldon> how about that
Aug 07 21:30:49 <kusi> It's cut off
Aug 07 21:31:23 <HariSeldon> "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:31:54 <HariSeldon> do we need any more detail than that, do you think?
Aug 07 21:32:39 <Bluestreak> I don't
Aug 07 21:32:45 <Bluestreak> think
Aug 07 21:33:20 <kusi> I assume resposible should be responsible
Aug 07 21:33:29 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 21:33:38 <HariSeldon> and I believe there would be another comma
Aug 07 21:33:41 <HariSeldon> resulting in:
Aug 07 21:33:56 <HariSeldon> "Commitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:34:48 <kusi> It looks good. personally, I would say 2 meetings and be more explicit about the disbanding and reorg
Aug 07 21:35:00 <kusi> disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee
Aug 07 21:35:43 <HariSeldon> Ok
Aug 07 21:36:27 <HariSeldon> rush, blue? What do you think about reorganization and disbanding? what additions should we make?
Aug 07 21:36:46 <Rush> It doesn't affect FLPP. We are our own group.
Aug 07 21:37:11 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:37:27 <Rush> Even if the FLPP missed meetings or whatever, the PNC could NOT remove the chairman.
Aug 07 21:37:45 <kusi> ...
Aug 07 21:37:51 <kusi> Rush, you need to pay attention.
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Aug 07 21:37:58 <Rush> I am
Aug 07 21:38:02 <kusi> We're talking about committees of the PNC.
Aug 07 21:38:09 <HariSeldon> not state members
Aug 07 21:38:13 <HariSeldon> *member states
Aug 07 21:38:16 <Rush> I know, I'm just saying that you can't screw with state parties
Aug 07 21:38:21 <kusi> We couldn't consider that with states.
Aug 07 21:38:43 <Rush> But yes, we need a system to make committees accountable for actually doing thigns
Aug 07 21:39:03 <kusi> which is why that amendment is in play
Aug 07 21:39:07 * kusi gives voice to QuazarGuy
Aug 07 21:39:44 <Bluestreak> No I think y'all have it covered.
Aug 07 21:39:57 <Bluestreak> No additions
Aug 07 21:40:36 <HariSeldon> do we think that the language should be made more specific so that future actions by the pnc are not either more lenient or harsh than we would do?
Aug 07 21:40:56 <kusi> honestly, that is pretty specific
Aug 07 21:41:04 <kusi> it gives 3 actions to do
Aug 07 21:41:19 <HariSeldon> true
Aug 07 21:41:23 <Bluestreak> Iagree
Aug 07 21:41:26 <HariSeldon> i think its fine, i was just making sure
Aug 07 21:41:32 <HariSeldon> that others are ok with it
Aug 07 21:42:46 <HariSeldon> ok...
Aug 07 21:42:48 <kusi> QuazarGuy, Rush, OyajiVyse
Aug 07 21:42:52 <kusi> opinions?
Aug 07 21:42:54 <Rush> What up
Aug 07 21:43:20 <Rush> Fine
Aug 07 21:43:26 <OyajiVyse> looks good to me
Aug 07 21:43:34 <HariSeldon> ok, then
Aug 07 21:44:12 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the addition of the following: "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:44:36 <HariSeldon> should I list a specific section of the bylaws?
Aug 07 21:44:50 <CalebLangeslag> You need to cite where it goes, yes
Aug 07 21:46:06 <kusi> CalebLangeslag, identify for the record
Aug 07 21:46:18 <CalebLangeslag> Caleb Langeslag, Minnesota
Aug 07 21:46:28 <kusi> and yes, HariSeldon you've got to cite the section it'll go to
Aug 07 21:47:00 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, Stating the following: "subcommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:47:41 <kusi> HariSeldon, that's without any of the corrections just made.
Aug 07 21:47:54 <kusi> for example, responsible is still spelt wrong.
Aug 07 21:48:04 <HariSeldon> dangit
Aug 07 21:48:05 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:48:27 <HariSeldon> Here you go: I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the addition of the following: "Commitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:48:52 <HariSeldon> noooo
Aug 07 21:48:53 <HariSeldon> wait
Aug 07 21:48:58 <HariSeldon> i suck at this
Aug 07 21:49:11 <Bluestreak> Wait!
Aug 07 21:49:17 <Bluestreak> Something just occured to me
Aug 07 21:49:28 <Bluestreak> Attendance must be fairly ON TIME
Aug 07 21:49:40 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:49:52 <Bluestreak> Well, Caleb is here, but 50 minutes late
Aug 07 21:49:53 <HariSeldon> responsible for reporting their progress
Aug 07 21:49:58 <HariSeldon> ummm
Aug 07 21:49:59 <HariSeldon> so
Aug 07 21:50:02 <HariSeldon> no
Aug 07 21:50:05 <HariSeldon> i disagree
Aug 07 21:50:07 <CalebLangeslag> Would it matter if someone simply submitted a committee report to the chair, in advance, if they're not able to attend?
Aug 07 21:50:15 <HariSeldon> no
Aug 07 21:50:22 <HariSeldon> i think that would constitute a report
Aug 07 21:50:25 <HariSeldon> in my mind
Aug 07 21:50:41 <HariSeldon> we could make it so they either have to be somewhat on time or submit a report early
Aug 07 21:51:05 <kusi> said report must be submitted the day before at the earilest.
Aug 07 21:51:08 <kusi> imo
Aug 07 21:51:19 <kusi> \*before the meeting
Aug 07 21:51:26 <CalebLangeslag> You mean latest?
Aug 07 21:51:29 <kusi> no
Aug 07 21:51:42 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:51:44 <kusi> agenda is out max 48 hours before meeting
Aug 07 21:51:53 <kusi> you'll have 24 hours to know if you're making it
Aug 07 21:52:02 <kusi> before writing the report
Aug 07 21:52:35 <kusi> and actually, I need to speak with you and Bosun about the IT chair.
Aug 07 21:52:46 <kusi> that will be done privately.
Aug 07 21:53:23 <HariSeldon> i can have bosun online if you want
Aug 07 21:53:42 <kusi> HariSeldon, after the meeting, if possible.
Aug 07 21:53:49 <HariSeldon> will do
Aug 07 21:53:53 <kusi> Anyway, this is a distraction
Aug 07 21:54:00 <kusi> IT missed their report time.
Aug 07 21:54:06 <kusi> Carry on with the amendment.
Aug 07 21:54:09 <HariSeldon> was there a set report time?
Aug 07 21:54:29 <kusi> It's scheduled before the agenda items
Aug 07 21:55:01 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:55:03 <HariSeldon> i see that
Aug 07 21:55:28 <kusi> There was a motion, do you rescind it?
Aug 07 21:55:30 <HariSeldon> so committee chair must submit report no more than 24 hours before meeting?
Aug 07 21:55:33 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 21:55:39 <HariSeldon> i rescind
Aug 07 21:55:52 <HariSeldon> will move again, pending discussion and possible amendments
Aug 07 21:55:53 <kusi> it's not part of the amendment at present
Aug 07 21:56:09 <HariSeldon> i understand, asking what we want
Aug 07 21:56:23 <HariSeldon> do we want chair to report no more than 24 hrs before meeting?
Aug 07 21:56:33 <HariSeldon> based on which time zone?
Aug 07 21:57:33 <CalebLangeslag> Doesn't matter of timezone, because it starts at a specific time
Aug 07 21:57:34 <kusi> there is no time zone.
Aug 07 21:57:37 <kusi> ^
Aug 07 21:57:55 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 21:58:08 <kusi> Bluestreak, no motion to second
Aug 07 21:58:22 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:58:26 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:58:31 <Bluestreak> OK
Aug 07 21:58:54 <kusi> 24h before would be 9pm Eastern on Tuesday
Aug 07 21:59:05 <kusi> 8pm central, 7 Mountain, 6 Pacific
Aug 07 22:00:55 <HariSeldon> so... "subcommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting within the confines of the agenda, or in a written report to the PNC chair made no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:02:14 <Bluestreak> What about their attendance at PNC, does that matter?
Aug 07 22:02:29 <kusi> the chair would have to be in
Aug 07 22:02:39 <kusi> and again, that misspell is there
Aug 07 22:02:59 <kusi> disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee
Aug 07 22:03:12 <HariSeldon> ummm, you know, i think that they should be able to report at any time in the meeting, and i think that they should not be able to report without attending the meeting
Aug 07 22:03:31 <kusi> HariSeldon, the other issue is we're now at a 2 hour time limit
Aug 07 22:03:39 <QuazarGuy> Could there just be a real time report page that people could look at and see exactly where the group is at the moment? I see the PNC as a formality to get everyone on the same page.
Aug 07 22:03:49 <HariSeldon> hmmm
Aug 07 22:04:04 <kusi> we cannot afford the interruptions and distractions
Aug 07 22:04:25 <HariSeldon> kusi, what do you mean
Aug 07 22:04:33 <HariSeldon> i know we have a time limit
Aug 07 22:04:35 <kusi> QuazarGuy, with an update from the committee in the first place, that can be done.
Aug 07 22:04:46 <kusi> tyhe agenda is set for a reason
Aug 07 22:04:56 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 22:05:12 <HariSeldon> but i would like to facilitate a discussion with the committee if need be
Aug 07 22:05:16 <kusi> for example, caleb coming in 50 min late, shouldn't be able to go "K, here's IT nao" when we're doing something else
Aug 07 22:05:24 <HariSeldon> yes,
Aug 07 22:06:34 <HariSeldon> at the same time I would like to have the ability to have a discussion on what the IT committee has done with members thereof at each meeting
Aug 07 22:06:49 <HariSeldon> but i understand the time agenda
Aug 07 22:07:07 <QuazarGuy> I mean realtime as in, the committee keeps it up to date as they work. They should use the PNC to report problems they're running into.
Aug 07 22:07:20 <HariSeldon> that would be useful
Aug 07 22:07:26 <HariSeldon> i think that may be best
Aug 07 22:07:40 <kusi> pnc shoudl be keeping track of progress as well
Aug 07 22:07:48 <kusi> and we've had that model with IT.
Aug 07 22:07:53 <kusi> it has failed.
Aug 07 22:08:00 <QuazarGuy> oh
Aug 07 22:08:54 <HariSeldon> the update thing failed?
Aug 07 22:09:06 <HariSeldon> or do you mean committee with no oversight
Aug 07 22:09:27 <kusi> both
Aug 07 22:09:40 <kusi> IT has a wiki page, barely touched.
Aug 07 22:10:37 <HariSeldon> oh
Aug 07 22:10:40 <kusi> And there's been nothing from them in some time
Aug 07 22:11:01 <kusi> I don't know when the last IT meeting was, and Bosun will be coming onboard as at least co-chair
Aug 07 22:11:22 <HariSeldon> what do you suggest then?
Aug 07 22:11:35 <kusi> Finishing and passing this amendment
Aug 07 22:11:52 <HariSeldon> yes, but in which format?
Aug 07 22:11:54 <kusi> and I'll talk with Bosun and Caleb after meeting to start.
Aug 07 22:12:06 <HariSeldon> requireing what of the committees?
Aug 07 22:14:00 <kusi> Required to report progress at least once every other PNC meeting, within the confines of the stated agenda or in a written report sent out to the PNC Chairperson no more than 24 hours prior to the start of a PNC meeting.
Aug 07 22:14:29 <kusi> Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee in question, or removal of the committee chair at the discretion of the PNC
Aug 07 22:15:25 <HariSeldon> "subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:15:26 <Bluestreak> And the report can say "Nothing to report?"
Aug 07 22:15:37 <HariSeldon> yes, i think so
Aug 07 22:15:37 <Bluestreak> And the report can say "Nothing to report?"
Aug 07 22:16:18 <kusi> Bluestreak, if the report says nothign to report for some time, I'd assume the reps would be able to understand that the committee should be disbanded.
Aug 07 22:16:42 <Bluestreak> Just wanted to bring up that possibility
Aug 07 22:16:58 <kusi> for example, if a outreach committee is established(pulling things from the air), and they say nothing to report for a month and a half
Aug 07 22:17:12 <kusi> then they may need to be re-evaluated anyway.
Aug 07 22:17:31 <Bluestreak> Sure
Aug 07 22:18:10 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the
Aug 07 22:18:26 <HariSeldon> , at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:19:37 <kusi> there's a lot cut off there
Aug 07 22:20:06 <HariSeldon> ok, let me restate
Aug 07 22:20:18 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress,
Aug 07 22:20:29 <HariSeldon> either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting.
Aug 07 22:21:03 <HariSeldon> Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:21:24 <kusi> i'll take it.
Aug 07 22:21:48 <Bluestreak> YAY
Aug 07 22:21:52 <kusi> seconds?
Aug 07 22:22:10 <OyajiVyse> second
Aug 07 22:22:17 <kusi> yay
Aug 07 22:22:20 <kusi> one sec, toby
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Aug 07 22:27:58 <HariSeldon> kusi?
Aug 07 22:28:13 <kusi> sorry
Aug 07 22:28:24 <kusi> My son had a cavity filled today, it's bothering him again
Aug 07 22:28:33 <HariSeldon> oh thats ok
Aug 07 22:28:43 <HariSeldon> hope he feels better
Aug 07 22:28:44 <kusi> So, any further discussion on this, or shall we move to a vote
Aug 07 22:28:45 <kusi> thanks
Aug 07 22:28:59 <HariSeldon> nothing further for me
Aug 07 22:29:33 <kusi> Bluestreak, OyajiVyse, Rush, QuazarGuy
Aug 07 22:29:40 <Rush> Yes
Aug 07 22:29:40 <Bluestreak> vote
Aug 07 22:29:45 <OyajiVyse> nothing more from me
Aug 07 22:29:50 <Rush> I'm fine
Aug 07 22:32:07 <Bluestreak> if we are voting: aye
Aug 07 22:32:24 <Rush> aye]
Aug 07 22:32:32 <HariSeldon> are we voting? ... aye
Aug 07 22:33:21 <kusi> vote for passage of the amendment. Aye, nay, abstain
Aug 07 22:33:26 <OyajiVyse> aye
Aug 07 22:33:58 <kusi> I believe 3/4 is required to pass
Aug 07 22:34:47 <kusi> no, 2/3
Aug 07 22:34:58 <kusi> Rush, Bluestreak QuazarGuy HariSeldon
Aug 07 22:35:03 <Rush> Yes
Aug 07 22:35:05 <HariSeldon> aye
Aug 07 22:35:22 <Rush> If you would look, you would see I already voted
Aug 07 22:36:36 <kusi> if you looked, you'd see i didn't call the vote before you said aye
Aug 07 22:36:46 <kusi> making your vote premature and invalid.
Aug 07 22:36:55 <kusi> :D
Aug 07 22:37:34 <Bluestreak> aye?
Aug 07 22:37:47 <kusi> Bluestreak, why the question mark
Aug 07 22:37:58 <Bluestreak> I need to vote again?
Aug 07 22:38:02 <kusi> Yes.
Aug 07 22:38:06 <Bluestreak> aye
Aug 07 22:38:18 <kusi> If you voted before I called it, it's invalid and can't be counted
Aug 07 22:38:34 <kusi> And to the person who PMed me, i am NOT nitpicking
Aug 07 22:38:44 <HariSeldon> its called robert's rules of order
Aug 07 22:38:52 <HariSeldon> we try to run our meetings by it
Aug 07 22:39:04 <kusi> try is operative.
Aug 07 22:39:14 <kusi> one more minute
Aug 07 22:39:16 <kusi> QuazarGuy,
Aug 07 22:39:25 <HariSeldon> if a vote falls in the forest, and the chair is not there to hear, does it count?
Aug 07 22:39:51 <kusi> lol
Aug 07 22:40:23 <Bluestreak> Good one
Aug 07 22:40:27 <HariSeldon> thank you
Aug 07 22:40:42 <Rush> aye
Aug 07 22:41:24 <kusi> Vote called
Aug 07 22:41:33 <kusi> tally 4 aye, 1 abstain
Aug 07 22:41:37 <kusi> horray
Aug 07 22:42:23 <HariSeldon> can we move to New Business now?
Aug 07 22:42:25 <kusi> That the amendment has now passed, the state parties also should ratify it
Aug 07 22:42:31 <kusi> yep
Aug 07 22:43:11 <kusi> So, on Sunday morning I was on Jim Brown's Common Sense
Aug 07 22:43:31 <kusi> It was pretty fun, despite my nerves and Toby deciding to start poking me while talking.
Aug 07 22:43:51 <Bluestreak> Link?
Aug 07 22:43:55 <kusi> I was asked some basic questions about the Pirate Party
Aug 07 22:44:04 <kusi> As far as I've found, it's not online.
Aug 07 22:44:16 <Bluestreak> Sry I was busy with fam, didn't listen
Aug 07 22:44:19 <HariSeldon> sad panda
Aug 07 22:44:57 <Bluestreak> My husband is in NJ all week so he takes up a lot of my attn weekends
Aug 07 22:45:00 <kusi> It happens, he mentioned having me back for an episode on Copyright
Aug 07 22:45:12 <OyajiVyse> fifteen minutes remaining
Aug 07 22:45:15 <Bluestreak> Oh cool.
Aug 07 22:45:24 <kusi> (which was a topic we did touch, but how much can you talk about in 5 minutes?)
Aug 07 22:45:32 <Bluestreak> Send notice to SAB and I will set an alarm to listen to that one
Aug 07 22:45:45 <Bluestreak> Does it have to be on agenda?
Aug 07 22:46:52 <kusi> no
Aug 07 22:47:01 <kusi> I will, if/when it happens
Aug 07 22:47:06 <kusi> I will be in contact with him
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Aug 07 22:48:11 <kusi> actually
Aug 07 22:48:13 <kusi> http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/jimBrownCommonSense/archives.php
Aug 07 22:48:26 <kusi> click on that, go to archives, and hit the second hour
Aug 07 22:48:37 <kusi> i was nervous, so forgive the squeaky voice
Aug 07 22:48:50 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 22:49:00 <HariSeldon> i had a radio interview earlier in the summer
Aug 07 22:49:05 <HariSeldon> but cant find it online
Aug 07 22:49:16 <HariSeldon> had same sort of nervous voice, though
Aug 07 22:49:22 <Bluestreak> OK thanks
Aug 07 22:49:26 <kusi> No prob
Aug 07 22:49:34 <kusi> Okay, moving onward
Aug 07 22:49:39 <HariSeldon> indeed
Aug 07 22:49:41 <kusi> any oher business for tonight?
Aug 07 22:49:44 <Bluestreak> I have so much information on the need for universal HSISP I was thinking
Aug 07 22:49:53 <Bluestreak> about writing a series of posts
Aug 07 22:49:58 <Bluestreak> for the USPP blog
Aug 07 22:50:13 <HariSeldon> oooh
Aug 07 22:50:15 <OyajiVyse> ten minutes remaining
Aug 07 22:50:16 <HariSeldon> that would be cool
Aug 07 22:50:22 <HariSeldon> thank you ten
Aug 07 22:50:27 <Bluestreak> There is this kid in the MAPP who studies the digital divide
Aug 07 22:50:28 <kusi> that's doable
Aug 07 22:50:40 <Bluestreak> he gave me many resources to review, but just last night
Aug 07 22:51:02 <Bluestreak> I worked on it this weekend. I only just decided to make it a series
Aug 07 22:51:25 <Bluestreak> That way i can have an intro posted this week or early next week
Aug 07 22:51:35 <kusi> let me know when the first few are available
Aug 07 22:51:38 <Bluestreak> Because the more I write the more I find
Aug 07 22:51:38 <kusi> or ready
Aug 07 22:51:49 <Bluestreak> The first will be an intro
Aug 07 22:52:02 <Bluestreak> Got the idea from Swarmwise aktly
Aug 07 22:52:21 <Bluestreak> Post some write some post some more
Aug 07 22:52:35 * kusi nods
Aug 07 22:52:47 <Bluestreak> That's all.
Aug 07 22:52:55 <HariSeldon> i have some writing for my candidacy - It's either already on our webpage, www.wipp.coop, or going on tonight
Aug 07 22:52:57 <Bluestreak> Evrything else Ive been working on is state lvl
Aug 07 22:53:06 <Bluestreak> Oh good!
Aug 07 22:53:13 <HariSeldon> would be happy to reformat for uspp
Aug 07 22:53:14 <Bluestreak> We need to pump up the blog
Aug 07 22:53:16 <HariSeldon> if you want
Aug 07 22:53:19 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 22:53:21 <HariSeldon> i agree
Aug 07 22:53:35 <kusi> we do
Aug 07 22:53:40 <HariSeldon> and im on vacation, so i have time to write stuff too!
Aug 07 22:53:43 <HariSeldon> :D
Aug 07 22:53:52 <HariSeldon> sort of vacation
Aug 07 22:54:13 <Bluestreak> Well I dont have time, but I need to get this done. It's buggin me
Aug 07 22:54:22 <kusi> I know that feeling. uuugh
Aug 07 22:54:52 <HariSeldon> mhmm
Aug 07 22:55:14 <kusi> is there anything else?
Aug 07 22:55:28 <HariSeldon> i would like the status of those member states who have not been active lately to be on the agenda for next time
Aug 07 22:56:22 <kusi> I'll contact
Aug 07 22:56:31 <Bluestreak> And I would like to ask people to watch for an SAB email about trying to schedule another Hang Out test
Aug 07 22:56:44 <kusi> yeah, that's something else
Aug 07 22:56:48 <kusi> guys, use the SAB
Aug 07 22:56:49 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 22:56:50 <kusi> seriously
Aug 07 22:57:06 <kusi> HariSeldon, annouce everything you're doing with your campaign through that too
Aug 07 22:57:07 <Bluestreak> Well yes but since everyone is here
Aug 07 22:57:13 <HariSeldon> oh ok
Aug 07 22:57:13 <Bluestreak> I wanted to remind them to CHECK
Aug 07 22:57:14 <HariSeldon> sure
Aug 07 22:57:18 <kusi> for when we're not all here
Aug 07 22:57:22 <kusi> use sab
Aug 07 22:57:26 <Bluestreak> because I got crickets this week
Aug 07 22:57:31 <Bluestreak> yes sir
Aug 07 22:57:46 <kusi> anything more in the 3 minutes?
Aug 07 22:58:01 <Bluestreak> Two guys walk into a bar...
Aug 07 22:58:20 <Bluestreak> which is funny because you think the 2nd guy would have seen it and ducked
Aug 07 22:58:35 <kusi> lol
Aug 07 22:58:46 <kusi> adjourn?
Aug 07 22:58:51 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 22:58:57 <kusi> i can't make a motion XD
Aug 07 22:59:05 <Bluestreak> I move to adjorn
Aug 07 22:59:12 <HariSeldon> second
Aug 07 22:59:15 <Rush> second
Aug 07 22:59:16 <Rush> third
Aug 07 22:59:23 <HariSeldon> lol
Aug 07 22:59:23 <Bluestreak> meep
Aug 07 22:59:43 <OyajiVyse> all in favor?
Aug 07 22:59:46 <HariSeldon> aye
Aug 07 22:59:48 <OyajiVyse> aye
Aug 07 22:59:53 <Bluestreak> aye
Aug 07 23:00:26 Roderick Rush
Aug 07 23:00:32 <OyajiVyse> QuazarGuy, Rush
Aug 07 23:00:33 <Rush> aye
Aug 07 23:01:06 <kusi> motion passed, meeting adjourned
Aug 07 23:01:08 <OyajiVyse> vote called, 4 ayes, 1 abstain
Aug 07 23:01:09 <kusi> have a good one
Aug 07 23:01:12 <kusi> see you next week
</pre>

PNC 8/7/13

2013-08-19T15:43:33Z

OyajiVyse: /* - AOB - */

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 08/07/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_8/7/13
==Minutes==
*No IT report, due to IT Chair's absence
*Possibility of putting parties without attendance on probation
**CA
*Motion to add ammendment to bylaws as follows: Bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
**Motion passed: 4 aye, 1 abstain
**State parties should ratify as well
*Interview of Lindsay-Anne Brunner by Jim Brown on Common Sense radio show regarding Pirate Party
**Went well, followup to be scheduled
**Interview can be found at : http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/jimBrownCommonSense/archives.php
=== 1 - ATTENDEES ===
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
*Attending
**Francis Klein - WI
**Lucia Fiero - MA
**Daniel Gorski - NY
**Bradley Hall - FL
**Jeffrey Talada - WA
*Excused
**N/A
*Unexcused
**CA
**OR
**GA
*Probation
==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====
==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster
==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====
=== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ===
*Meeting called to order at: 9:00 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes
=== 3 - Review of previous minutes ===
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_7/31/13
=== 4 - REPORTS ===
*N/A
==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====
*N/A
=== 5 - Agenda Items ===
*Old Business:
**Implementation of amendment to bylaws to include "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
*New Business:
**Recap of Lindsay-Anne Brunner's radio interview
=== - AOB - ===
*New content for USPP blog regarding the digital divide
*Francis Klein's candidacy writings available at:
www.wipp.coop
*Next meeting: 2013-8-14 at 9:0PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 11:01 PM EDT

=== - Logs of the Meeting - ===
<pre>
Aug 07 21:01:05 <kusi> Time is now 9:00PM, meeting is opened
Aug 07 21:01:11 <Bluestreak> Oh Hari!
Aug 07 21:01:18 <HariSeldon> Francis Klein, WI
Aug 07 21:01:21 <kusi> Please state your name, and state you're representing
Aug 07 21:01:25 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero MA rep
Aug 07 21:01:31 <HariSeldon> Ah bluestreak!
Aug 07 21:01:35 <HariSeldon> I forgot - sorry
Aug 07 21:01:38 <HariSeldon> a little busy
Aug 07 21:01:40 <Bluestreak> NP
Aug 07 21:01:49 <Bluestreak> Was doing for you!
Aug 07 21:01:52 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NYPP rep
Aug 07 21:01:54 <kusi> OyajiVyse, Rush
Aug 07 21:01:55 <Bluestreak> NVM we can try again
Aug 07 21:02:01 <kusi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY capt
Aug 07 21:02:07 <kusi> Please save other conversations for PM
Aug 07 21:02:11 <Rush> Sorry, I was in the wrong room
Aug 07 21:02:17 <Rush> Bradley Hall, FL
Aug 07 21:03:16 <Bluestreak> Sorry, sir.
Aug 07 21:03:23 <kusi> I see we're missing Caleb yet again.
Aug 07 21:03:34 <HariSeldon> ugh
Aug 07 21:03:48 <HariSeldon> unfortunate
Aug 07 21:03:52 <HariSeldon> quite unfortunate
Aug 07 21:03:57 <HariSeldon> do we have quorum?
Aug 07 21:04:02 <kusi> So, again, no IT report. Bosun has said he's interested in co-chairing or chairing
Aug 07 21:04:09 <kusi> That will be arranged this week.
Aug 07 21:04:24 <kusi> Another point to bring up, really fast
Aug 07 21:04:27 <HariSeldon> he is here with me - although not online
Aug 07 21:04:38 <HariSeldon> so if you need to ask bosun, I can talk for him
Aug 07 21:04:50 <kusi> there are several member-state parties who haven't shown in a while
Aug 07 21:04:59 <kusi> california is the big example
Aug 07 21:05:03 <HariSeldon> indeed
Aug 07 21:05:08 <HariSeldon> do we have quorum?
Aug 07 21:05:11 <kusi> we do
Aug 07 21:05:15 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:05:17 <kusi> Meeting can't be opened without
Aug 07 21:05:17 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:05:21 <HariSeldon> right
Aug 07 21:05:23 <HariSeldon> duh
Aug 07 21:05:24 <kusi> It's fine
Aug 07 21:06:32 <kusi> There is the option of removing the non-attending state parties
Aug 07 21:06:35 <HariSeldon> quick question - do we have anyone from WA here?
Aug 07 21:06:43 <kusi> Jeff talada is in #uspp
Aug 07 21:06:45 <kusi> not in here
Aug 07 21:06:49 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:07:00 <HariSeldon> as to that option - I believe that should not be done
Aug 07 21:07:13 <kusi> Why?
Aug 07 21:07:14 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 21:07:15 <HariSeldon> not before we make at least one contact, i think
Aug 07 21:07:28 <kusi> pI've made several contacts to no response.
Aug 07 21:07:52 <Bluestreak> Sigh
Aug 07 21:07:54 <kusi> and the CAPP social media and websites don't seem to be updated
Aug 07 21:08:03 <HariSeldon> i know - me too, but are we talking about just CAPP or others too?
Aug 07 21:08:23 <kusi> I'm focusing on CAPP right now.
Aug 07 21:08:29 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:08:34 <kusi> I know ORPP is somewhat dead-in-the-water
Aug 07 21:08:35 <HariSeldon> fair enough
Aug 07 21:08:46 <kusi> GAPP, god knows.
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Aug 07 21:09:44 <kusi> So, it may help to remove the parties that have since fizzled
Aug 07 21:10:09 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 21:10:13 <HariSeldon> i suppose
Aug 07 21:11:30 <kusi> it's up to you guys, but I'd recommend it
Aug 07 21:11:53 <kusi> So, onto less depressing things
Aug 07 21:12:01 <HariSeldon> are they on probation?
Aug 07 21:12:05 <HariSeldon> or something like that
Aug 07 21:12:11 <kusi> we need to vote them onto probation
Aug 07 21:12:22 <HariSeldon> what does probation entail
Aug 07 21:13:00 <kusi> probation is detailed in the bylaws
Aug 07 21:13:16 <kusi> the biggest thing is they lose their full-vite and member status
Aug 07 21:13:16 <HariSeldon> ok, if I can't be lazy...
Aug 07 21:13:21 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 21:13:26 <kusi> vote. not vite
Aug 07 21:13:32 <Bluestreak> Do what you have to do, sir.
Aug 07 21:14:03 <kusi> It's up to the reps.
Aug 07 21:14:16 <HariSeldon> I believe that voting them into probation might be the best idea, then making sure they are harrased and asked to come back at every opportunity
Aug 07 21:14:27 <kusi> I've harrassed them, trust me
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Aug 07 21:15:22 <HariSeldon> i understand, but I believe that telling them they are now on probation would have more of an impact
Aug 07 21:15:27 <kusi> it seems that they burnt out/ran out of steam
Aug 07 21:15:31 <kusi> it coul
Aug 07 21:15:33 <kusi> could
Aug 07 21:16:11 <HariSeldon> regardless, we should deal with it in new business
Aug 07 21:16:15 <kusi> yeah
Aug 07 21:16:21 <kusi> onwaaard
Aug 07 21:16:23 <kusi> *Old Business:
Aug 07 21:16:23 <kusi> **Implementation of amendment to bylaws to include "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
Aug 07 21:17:35 <HariSeldon> what sort of implementation information do we need?
Aug 07 21:17:44 <HariSeldon> should we amend the bylaws to include more info?
Aug 07 21:18:03 <kusi> the implementation is the amended bylaw itself
Aug 07 21:19:13 <HariSeldon> so we need to amend the bylaws to include implementation?
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Aug 07 21:21:19 <kusi> yes
Aug 07 21:21:22 <kusi> no
Aug 07 21:21:25 <Bluestreak> Jeff!
Aug 07 21:21:33 <kusi> implementation is the bylaw itself
Aug 07 21:21:41 <QuazarGuy> hey everyone
Aug 07 21:21:42 <kusi> it may have been poor wordign
Aug 07 21:21:49 <QuazarGuy> Jeffrey Talada, WA
Aug 07 21:21:49 <kusi> QuazarGuy, identify for the record please
Aug 07 21:21:51 <kusi> thansk
Aug 07 21:22:33 <kusi> so it just is creating an amendment to the bylaws to include something that covers the committees
Aug 07 21:22:40 <kusi> e "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
Aug 07 21:22:40 <Bluestreak> OK
Aug 07 21:23:37 <QuazarGuy> where are we on the agenda?
Aug 07 21:24:35 <HariSeldon> old business
Aug 07 21:24:54 <kusi> the first *
Aug 07 21:25:08 <QuazarGuy> thanks
Aug 07 21:25:21 <HariSeldon> so what exactly do we need to do? I'm sorry, but I'll admit that I'm still rather confused
Aug 07 21:25:41 <kusi> that's okay
Aug 07 21:26:21 <kusi> last meeting, there was a suggestion to create a new bylaw to stop the lack of information about the committees
Aug 07 21:26:41 <kusi> forcing them to report at each meeting
Aug 07 21:27:03 <kusi> a (repeated) failure to do that could result in the removal of the chair
Aug 07 21:28:15 <HariSeldon> oh im sorry for some reason I had it in my mind that we already made it an amendment
Aug 07 21:28:24 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:29:26 <kusi> not yet
Aug 07 21:30:39 <HariSeldon> ommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC.
Aug 07 21:30:45 <HariSeldon> how about that
Aug 07 21:30:49 <kusi> It's cut off
Aug 07 21:31:23 <HariSeldon> "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:31:54 <HariSeldon> do we need any more detail than that, do you think?
Aug 07 21:32:39 <Bluestreak> I don't
Aug 07 21:32:45 <Bluestreak> think
Aug 07 21:33:20 <kusi> I assume resposible should be responsible
Aug 07 21:33:29 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 21:33:38 <HariSeldon> and I believe there would be another comma
Aug 07 21:33:41 <HariSeldon> resulting in:
Aug 07 21:33:56 <HariSeldon> "Commitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:34:48 <kusi> It looks good. personally, I would say 2 meetings and be more explicit about the disbanding and reorg
Aug 07 21:35:00 <kusi> disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee
Aug 07 21:35:43 <HariSeldon> Ok
Aug 07 21:36:27 <HariSeldon> rush, blue? What do you think about reorganization and disbanding? what additions should we make?
Aug 07 21:36:46 <Rush> It doesn't affect FLPP. We are our own group.
Aug 07 21:37:11 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:37:27 <Rush> Even if the FLPP missed meetings or whatever, the PNC could NOT remove the chairman.
Aug 07 21:37:45 <kusi> ...
Aug 07 21:37:51 <kusi> Rush, you need to pay attention.
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Aug 07 21:37:58 <Rush> I am
Aug 07 21:38:02 <kusi> We're talking about committees of the PNC.
Aug 07 21:38:09 <HariSeldon> not state members
Aug 07 21:38:13 <HariSeldon> *member states
Aug 07 21:38:16 <Rush> I know, I'm just saying that you can't screw with state parties
Aug 07 21:38:21 <kusi> We couldn't consider that with states.
Aug 07 21:38:43 <Rush> But yes, we need a system to make committees accountable for actually doing thigns
Aug 07 21:39:03 <kusi> which is why that amendment is in play
Aug 07 21:39:07 * kusi gives voice to QuazarGuy
Aug 07 21:39:44 <Bluestreak> No I think y'all have it covered.
Aug 07 21:39:57 <Bluestreak> No additions
Aug 07 21:40:36 <HariSeldon> do we think that the language should be made more specific so that future actions by the pnc are not either more lenient or harsh than we would do?
Aug 07 21:40:56 <kusi> honestly, that is pretty specific
Aug 07 21:41:04 <kusi> it gives 3 actions to do
Aug 07 21:41:19 <HariSeldon> true
Aug 07 21:41:23 <Bluestreak> Iagree
Aug 07 21:41:26 <HariSeldon> i think its fine, i was just making sure
Aug 07 21:41:32 <HariSeldon> that others are ok with it
Aug 07 21:42:46 <HariSeldon> ok...
Aug 07 21:42:48 <kusi> QuazarGuy, Rush, OyajiVyse
Aug 07 21:42:52 <kusi> opinions?
Aug 07 21:42:54 <Rush> What up
Aug 07 21:43:20 <Rush> Fine
Aug 07 21:43:26 <OyajiVyse> looks good to me
Aug 07 21:43:34 <HariSeldon> ok, then
Aug 07 21:44:12 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the addition of the following: "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:44:36 <HariSeldon> should I list a specific section of the bylaws?
Aug 07 21:44:50 <CalebLangeslag> You need to cite where it goes, yes
Aug 07 21:46:06 <kusi> CalebLangeslag, identify for the record
Aug 07 21:46:18 <CalebLangeslag> Caleb Langeslag, Minnesota
Aug 07 21:46:28 <kusi> and yes, HariSeldon you've got to cite the section it'll go to
Aug 07 21:47:00 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, Stating the following: "subcommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:47:41 <kusi> HariSeldon, that's without any of the corrections just made.
Aug 07 21:47:54 <kusi> for example, responsible is still spelt wrong.
Aug 07 21:48:04 <HariSeldon> dangit
Aug 07 21:48:05 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:48:27 <HariSeldon> Here you go: I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the addition of the following: "Commitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:48:52 <HariSeldon> noooo
Aug 07 21:48:53 <HariSeldon> wait
Aug 07 21:48:58 <HariSeldon> i suck at this
Aug 07 21:49:11 <Bluestreak> Wait!
Aug 07 21:49:17 <Bluestreak> Something just occured to me
Aug 07 21:49:28 <Bluestreak> Attendance must be fairly ON TIME
Aug 07 21:49:40 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:49:52 <Bluestreak> Well, Caleb is here, but 50 minutes late
Aug 07 21:49:53 <HariSeldon> responsible for reporting their progress
Aug 07 21:49:58 <HariSeldon> ummm
Aug 07 21:49:59 <HariSeldon> so
Aug 07 21:50:02 <HariSeldon> no
Aug 07 21:50:05 <HariSeldon> i disagree
Aug 07 21:50:07 <CalebLangeslag> Would it matter if someone simply submitted a committee report to the chair, in advance, if they're not able to attend?
Aug 07 21:50:15 <HariSeldon> no
Aug 07 21:50:22 <HariSeldon> i think that would constitute a report
Aug 07 21:50:25 <HariSeldon> in my mind
Aug 07 21:50:41 <HariSeldon> we could make it so they either have to be somewhat on time or submit a report early
Aug 07 21:51:05 <kusi> said report must be submitted the day before at the earilest.
Aug 07 21:51:08 <kusi> imo
Aug 07 21:51:19 <kusi> \*before the meeting
Aug 07 21:51:26 <CalebLangeslag> You mean latest?
Aug 07 21:51:29 <kusi> no
Aug 07 21:51:42 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:51:44 <kusi> agenda is out max 48 hours before meeting
Aug 07 21:51:53 <kusi> you'll have 24 hours to know if you're making it
Aug 07 21:52:02 <kusi> before writing the report
Aug 07 21:52:35 <kusi> and actually, I need to speak with you and Bosun about the IT chair.
Aug 07 21:52:46 <kusi> that will be done privately.
Aug 07 21:53:23 <HariSeldon> i can have bosun online if you want
Aug 07 21:53:42 <kusi> HariSeldon, after the meeting, if possible.
Aug 07 21:53:49 <HariSeldon> will do
Aug 07 21:53:53 <kusi> Anyway, this is a distraction
Aug 07 21:54:00 <kusi> IT missed their report time.
Aug 07 21:54:06 <kusi> Carry on with the amendment.
Aug 07 21:54:09 <HariSeldon> was there a set report time?
Aug 07 21:54:29 <kusi> It's scheduled before the agenda items
Aug 07 21:55:01 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:55:03 <HariSeldon> i see that
Aug 07 21:55:28 <kusi> There was a motion, do you rescind it?
Aug 07 21:55:30 <HariSeldon> so committee chair must submit report no more than 24 hours before meeting?
Aug 07 21:55:33 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 21:55:39 <HariSeldon> i rescind
Aug 07 21:55:52 <HariSeldon> will move again, pending discussion and possible amendments
Aug 07 21:55:53 <kusi> it's not part of the amendment at present
Aug 07 21:56:09 <HariSeldon> i understand, asking what we want
Aug 07 21:56:23 <HariSeldon> do we want chair to report no more than 24 hrs before meeting?
Aug 07 21:56:33 <HariSeldon> based on which time zone?
Aug 07 21:57:33 <CalebLangeslag> Doesn't matter of timezone, because it starts at a specific time
Aug 07 21:57:34 <kusi> there is no time zone.
Aug 07 21:57:37 <kusi> ^
Aug 07 21:57:55 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 21:58:08 <kusi> Bluestreak, no motion to second
Aug 07 21:58:22 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:58:26 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:58:31 <Bluestreak> OK
Aug 07 21:58:54 <kusi> 24h before would be 9pm Eastern on Tuesday
Aug 07 21:59:05 <kusi> 8pm central, 7 Mountain, 6 Pacific
Aug 07 22:00:55 <HariSeldon> so... "subcommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting within the confines of the agenda, or in a written report to the PNC chair made no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:02:14 <Bluestreak> What about their attendance at PNC, does that matter?
Aug 07 22:02:29 <kusi> the chair would have to be in
Aug 07 22:02:39 <kusi> and again, that misspell is there
Aug 07 22:02:59 <kusi> disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee
Aug 07 22:03:12 <HariSeldon> ummm, you know, i think that they should be able to report at any time in the meeting, and i think that they should not be able to report without attending the meeting
Aug 07 22:03:31 <kusi> HariSeldon, the other issue is we're now at a 2 hour time limit
Aug 07 22:03:39 <QuazarGuy> Could there just be a real time report page that people could look at and see exactly where the group is at the moment? I see the PNC as a formality to get everyone on the same page.
Aug 07 22:03:49 <HariSeldon> hmmm
Aug 07 22:04:04 <kusi> we cannot afford the interruptions and distractions
Aug 07 22:04:25 <HariSeldon> kusi, what do you mean
Aug 07 22:04:33 <HariSeldon> i know we have a time limit
Aug 07 22:04:35 <kusi> QuazarGuy, with an update from the committee in the first place, that can be done.
Aug 07 22:04:46 <kusi> tyhe agenda is set for a reason
Aug 07 22:04:56 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 22:05:12 <HariSeldon> but i would like to facilitate a discussion with the committee if need be
Aug 07 22:05:16 <kusi> for example, caleb coming in 50 min late, shouldn't be able to go "K, here's IT nao" when we're doing something else
Aug 07 22:05:24 <HariSeldon> yes,
Aug 07 22:06:34 <HariSeldon> at the same time I would like to have the ability to have a discussion on what the IT committee has done with members thereof at each meeting
Aug 07 22:06:49 <HariSeldon> but i understand the time agenda
Aug 07 22:07:07 <QuazarGuy> I mean realtime as in, the committee keeps it up to date as they work. They should use the PNC to report problems they're running into.
Aug 07 22:07:20 <HariSeldon> that would be useful
Aug 07 22:07:26 <HariSeldon> i think that may be best
Aug 07 22:07:40 <kusi> pnc shoudl be keeping track of progress as well
Aug 07 22:07:48 <kusi> and we've had that model with IT.
Aug 07 22:07:53 <kusi> it has failed.
Aug 07 22:08:00 <QuazarGuy> oh
Aug 07 22:08:54 <HariSeldon> the update thing failed?
Aug 07 22:09:06 <HariSeldon> or do you mean committee with no oversight
Aug 07 22:09:27 <kusi> both
Aug 07 22:09:40 <kusi> IT has a wiki page, barely touched.
Aug 07 22:10:37 <HariSeldon> oh
Aug 07 22:10:40 <kusi> And there's been nothing from them in some time
Aug 07 22:11:01 <kusi> I don't know when the last IT meeting was, and Bosun will be coming onboard as at least co-chair
Aug 07 22:11:22 <HariSeldon> what do you suggest then?
Aug 07 22:11:35 <kusi> Finishing and passing this amendment
Aug 07 22:11:52 <HariSeldon> yes, but in which format?
Aug 07 22:11:54 <kusi> and I'll talk with Bosun and Caleb after meeting to start.
Aug 07 22:12:06 <HariSeldon> requireing what of the committees?
Aug 07 22:14:00 <kusi> Required to report progress at least once every other PNC meeting, within the confines of the stated agenda or in a written report sent out to the PNC Chairperson no more than 24 hours prior to the start of a PNC meeting.
Aug 07 22:14:29 <kusi> Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee in question, or removal of the committee chair at the discretion of the PNC
Aug 07 22:15:25 <HariSeldon> "subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:15:26 <Bluestreak> And the report can say "Nothing to report?"
Aug 07 22:15:37 <HariSeldon> yes, i think so
Aug 07 22:15:37 <Bluestreak> And the report can say "Nothing to report?"
Aug 07 22:16:18 <kusi> Bluestreak, if the report says nothign to report for some time, I'd assume the reps would be able to understand that the committee should be disbanded.
Aug 07 22:16:42 <Bluestreak> Just wanted to bring up that possibility
Aug 07 22:16:58 <kusi> for example, if a outreach committee is established(pulling things from the air), and they say nothing to report for a month and a half
Aug 07 22:17:12 <kusi> then they may need to be re-evaluated anyway.
Aug 07 22:17:31 <Bluestreak> Sure
Aug 07 22:18:10 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the
Aug 07 22:18:26 <HariSeldon> , at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:19:37 <kusi> there's a lot cut off there
Aug 07 22:20:06 <HariSeldon> ok, let me restate
Aug 07 22:20:18 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress,
Aug 07 22:20:29 <HariSeldon> either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting.
Aug 07 22:21:03 <HariSeldon> Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:21:24 <kusi> i'll take it.
Aug 07 22:21:48 <Bluestreak> YAY
Aug 07 22:21:52 <kusi> seconds?
Aug 07 22:22:10 <OyajiVyse> second
Aug 07 22:22:17 <kusi> yay
Aug 07 22:22:20 <kusi> one sec, toby
Aug 07 22:24:52 * Bosun (~Bosun@52-81-264-322.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net) has joined #pnc
Aug 07 22:26:02 * Dash has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
Aug 07 22:27:58 <HariSeldon> kusi?
Aug 07 22:28:13 <kusi> sorry
Aug 07 22:28:24 <kusi> My son had a cavity filled today, it's bothering him again
Aug 07 22:28:33 <HariSeldon> oh thats ok
Aug 07 22:28:43 <HariSeldon> hope he feels better
Aug 07 22:28:44 <kusi> So, any further discussion on this, or shall we move to a vote
Aug 07 22:28:45 <kusi> thanks
Aug 07 22:28:59 <HariSeldon> nothing further for me
Aug 07 22:29:33 <kusi> Bluestreak, OyajiVyse, Rush, QuazarGuy
Aug 07 22:29:40 <Rush> Yes
Aug 07 22:29:40 <Bluestreak> vote
Aug 07 22:29:45 <OyajiVyse> nothing more from me
Aug 07 22:29:50 <Rush> I'm fine
Aug 07 22:32:07 <Bluestreak> if we are voting: aye
Aug 07 22:32:24 <Rush> aye]
Aug 07 22:32:32 <HariSeldon> are we voting? ... aye
Aug 07 22:33:21 <kusi> vote for passage of the amendment. Aye, nay, abstain
Aug 07 22:33:26 <OyajiVyse> aye
Aug 07 22:33:58 <kusi> I believe 3/4 is required to pass
Aug 07 22:34:47 <kusi> no, 2/3
Aug 07 22:34:58 <kusi> Rush, Bluestreak QuazarGuy HariSeldon
Aug 07 22:35:03 <Rush> Yes
Aug 07 22:35:05 <HariSeldon> aye
Aug 07 22:35:22 <Rush> If you would look, you would see I already voted
Aug 07 22:36:36 <kusi> if you looked, you'd see i didn't call the vote before you said aye
Aug 07 22:36:46 <kusi> making your vote premature and invalid.
Aug 07 22:36:55 <kusi> :D
Aug 07 22:37:34 <Bluestreak> aye?
Aug 07 22:37:47 <kusi> Bluestreak, why the question mark
Aug 07 22:37:58 <Bluestreak> I need to vote again?
Aug 07 22:38:02 <kusi> Yes.
Aug 07 22:38:06 <Bluestreak> aye
Aug 07 22:38:18 <kusi> If you voted before I called it, it's invalid and can't be counted
Aug 07 22:38:34 <kusi> And to the person who PMed me, i am NOT nitpicking
Aug 07 22:38:44 <HariSeldon> its called robert's rules of order
Aug 07 22:38:52 <HariSeldon> we try to run our meetings by it
Aug 07 22:39:04 <kusi> try is operative.
Aug 07 22:39:14 <kusi> one more minute
Aug 07 22:39:16 <kusi> QuazarGuy,
Aug 07 22:39:25 <HariSeldon> if a vote falls in the forest, and the chair is not there to hear, does it count?
Aug 07 22:39:51 <kusi> lol
Aug 07 22:40:23 <Bluestreak> Good one
Aug 07 22:40:27 <HariSeldon> thank you
Aug 07 22:40:42 <Rush> aye
Aug 07 22:41:24 <kusi> Vote called
Aug 07 22:41:33 <kusi> tally 4 aye, 1 abstain
Aug 07 22:41:37 <kusi> horray
Aug 07 22:42:23 <HariSeldon> can we move to New Business now?
Aug 07 22:42:25 <kusi> That the amendment has now passed, the state parties also should ratify it
Aug 07 22:42:31 <kusi> yep
Aug 07 22:43:11 <kusi> So, on Sunday morning I was on Jim Brown's Common Sense
Aug 07 22:43:31 <kusi> It was pretty fun, despite my nerves and Toby deciding to start poking me while talking.
Aug 07 22:43:51 <Bluestreak> Link?
Aug 07 22:43:55 <kusi> I was asked some basic questions about the Pirate Party
Aug 07 22:44:04 <kusi> As far as I've found, it's not online.
Aug 07 22:44:16 <Bluestreak> Sry I was busy with fam, didn't listen
Aug 07 22:44:19 <HariSeldon> sad panda
Aug 07 22:44:57 <Bluestreak> My husband is in NJ all week so he takes up a lot of my attn weekends
Aug 07 22:45:00 <kusi> It happens, he mentioned having me back for an episode on Copyright
Aug 07 22:45:12 <OyajiVyse> fifteen minutes remaining
Aug 07 22:45:15 <Bluestreak> Oh cool.
Aug 07 22:45:24 <kusi> (which was a topic we did touch, but how much can you talk about in 5 minutes?)
Aug 07 22:45:32 <Bluestreak> Send notice to SAB and I will set an alarm to listen to that one
Aug 07 22:45:45 <Bluestreak> Does it have to be on agenda?
Aug 07 22:46:52 <kusi> no
Aug 07 22:47:01 <kusi> I will, if/when it happens
Aug 07 22:47:06 <kusi> I will be in contact with him
Aug 07 22:47:12 * t51n has quit (Quit: Web client closed)
Aug 07 22:48:11 <kusi> actually
Aug 07 22:48:13 <kusi> http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/jimBrownCommonSense/archives.php
Aug 07 22:48:26 <kusi> click on that, go to archives, and hit the second hour
Aug 07 22:48:37 <kusi> i was nervous, so forgive the squeaky voice
Aug 07 22:48:50 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 22:49:00 <HariSeldon> i had a radio interview earlier in the summer
Aug 07 22:49:05 <HariSeldon> but cant find it online
Aug 07 22:49:16 <HariSeldon> had same sort of nervous voice, though
Aug 07 22:49:22 <Bluestreak> OK thanks
Aug 07 22:49:26 <kusi> No prob
Aug 07 22:49:34 <kusi> Okay, moving onward
Aug 07 22:49:39 <HariSeldon> indeed
Aug 07 22:49:41 <kusi> any oher business for tonight?
Aug 07 22:49:44 <Bluestreak> I have so much information on the need for universal HSISP I was thinking
Aug 07 22:49:53 <Bluestreak> about writing a series of posts
Aug 07 22:49:58 <Bluestreak> for the USPP blog
Aug 07 22:50:13 <HariSeldon> oooh
Aug 07 22:50:15 <OyajiVyse> ten minutes remaining
Aug 07 22:50:16 <HariSeldon> that would be cool
Aug 07 22:50:22 <HariSeldon> thank you ten
Aug 07 22:50:27 <Bluestreak> There is this kid in the MAPP who studies the digital divide
Aug 07 22:50:28 <kusi> that's doable
Aug 07 22:50:40 <Bluestreak> he gave me many resources to review, but just last night
Aug 07 22:51:02 <Bluestreak> I worked on it this weekend. I only just decided to make it a series
Aug 07 22:51:25 <Bluestreak> That way i can have an intro posted this week or early next week
Aug 07 22:51:35 <kusi> let me know when the first few are available
Aug 07 22:51:38 <Bluestreak> Because the more I write the more I find
Aug 07 22:51:38 <kusi> or ready
Aug 07 22:51:49 <Bluestreak> The first will be an intro
Aug 07 22:52:02 <Bluestreak> Got the idea from Swarmwise aktly
Aug 07 22:52:21 <Bluestreak> Post some write some post some more
Aug 07 22:52:35 * kusi nods
Aug 07 22:52:47 <Bluestreak> That's all.
Aug 07 22:52:55 <HariSeldon> i have some writing for my candidacy - It's either already on our webpage, www.wipp.coop, or going on tonight
Aug 07 22:52:57 <Bluestreak> Evrything else Ive been working on is state lvl
Aug 07 22:53:06 <Bluestreak> Oh good!
Aug 07 22:53:13 <HariSeldon> would be happy to reformat for uspp
Aug 07 22:53:14 <Bluestreak> We need to pump up the blog
Aug 07 22:53:16 <HariSeldon> if you want
Aug 07 22:53:19 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 22:53:21 <HariSeldon> i agree
Aug 07 22:53:35 <kusi> we do
Aug 07 22:53:40 <HariSeldon> and im on vacation, so i have time to write stuff too!
Aug 07 22:53:43 <HariSeldon> :D
Aug 07 22:53:52 <HariSeldon> sort of vacation
Aug 07 22:54:13 <Bluestreak> Well I dont have time, but I need to get this done. It's buggin me
Aug 07 22:54:22 <kusi> I know that feeling. uuugh
Aug 07 22:54:52 <HariSeldon> mhmm
Aug 07 22:55:14 <kusi> is there anything else?
Aug 07 22:55:28 <HariSeldon> i would like the status of those member states who have not been active lately to be on the agenda for next time
Aug 07 22:56:22 <kusi> I'll contact
Aug 07 22:56:31 <Bluestreak> And I would like to ask people to watch for an SAB email about trying to schedule another Hang Out test
Aug 07 22:56:44 <kusi> yeah, that's something else
Aug 07 22:56:48 <kusi> guys, use the SAB
Aug 07 22:56:49 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 22:56:50 <kusi> seriously
Aug 07 22:57:06 <kusi> HariSeldon, annouce everything you're doing with your campaign through that too
Aug 07 22:57:07 <Bluestreak> Well yes but since everyone is here
Aug 07 22:57:13 <HariSeldon> oh ok
Aug 07 22:57:13 <Bluestreak> I wanted to remind them to CHECK
Aug 07 22:57:14 <HariSeldon> sure
Aug 07 22:57:18 <kusi> for when we're not all here
Aug 07 22:57:22 <kusi> use sab
Aug 07 22:57:26 <Bluestreak> because I got crickets this week
Aug 07 22:57:31 <Bluestreak> yes sir
Aug 07 22:57:46 <kusi> anything more in the 3 minutes?
Aug 07 22:58:01 <Bluestreak> Two guys walk into a bar...
Aug 07 22:58:20 <Bluestreak> which is funny because you think the 2nd guy would have seen it and ducked
Aug 07 22:58:35 <kusi> lol
Aug 07 22:58:46 <kusi> adjourn?
Aug 07 22:58:51 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 22:58:57 <kusi> i can't make a motion XD
Aug 07 22:59:05 <Bluestreak> I move to adjorn
Aug 07 22:59:12 <HariSeldon> second
Aug 07 22:59:15 <Rush> second
Aug 07 22:59:16 <Rush> third
Aug 07 22:59:23 <HariSeldon> lol
Aug 07 22:59:23 <Bluestreak> meep
Aug 07 22:59:43 <OyajiVyse> all in favor?
Aug 07 22:59:46 <HariSeldon> aye
Aug 07 22:59:48 <OyajiVyse> aye
Aug 07 22:59:53 <Bluestreak> aye
Aug 07 23:00:26 Roderick Rush
Aug 07 23:00:32 <OyajiVyse> QuazarGuy, Rush
Aug 07 23:00:33 <Rush> aye
Aug 07 23:01:06 <kusi> motion passed, meeting adjourned
Aug 07 23:01:08 <OyajiVyse> vote called, 4 ayes, 1 abstain
Aug 07 23:01:09 <kusi> have a good one
Aug 07 23:01:12 <kusi> see you next week
</pre>

PNC 8/7/13

2013-08-19T15:15:01Z

OyajiVyse:

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 08/07/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_8/7/13
==Minutes==
*No IT report, due to IT Chair's absence
*Possibility of putting parties without attendance on probation
**CA
*Motion to add ammendment to bylaws as follows: Bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
**Motion passed: 4 aye, 1 abstain
**State parties should ratify as well
*Interview of Lindsay-Anne Brunner by Jim Brown on Common Sense radio show regarding Pirate Party
**Went well, followup to be scheduled
**Interview can be found at : http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/jimBrownCommonSense/archives.php
=== 1 - ATTENDEES ===
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
*Attending
**Francis Klein - WI
**Lucia Fiero - MA
**Daniel Gorski - NY
**Bradley Hall - FL
**Jeffrey Talada - WA
*Excused
**N/A
*Unexcused
**CA
**OR
**GA
*Probation
==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====
==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster
==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====
=== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ===
*Meeting called to order at: 9:00 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes
=== 3 - Review of previous minutes ===
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_7/31/13
=== 4 - REPORTS ===
*N/A
==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====
*N/A
=== 5 - Agenda Items ===
*Old Business:
**Implementation of amendment to bylaws to include "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
*New Business:
**Recap of Lindsay-Anne Brunner's radio interview
=== - AOB - ===
*New content for USPP blog regarding the digital divide
*Francis Klein's candidacy writings available at:
www.wipp.coop,
*Next meeting: 2013-8-14 at 9:0PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 11:01 PM EDT
=== - Logs of the Meeting - ===
<pre>
Aug 07 21:01:05 <kusi> Time is now 9:00PM, meeting is opened
Aug 07 21:01:11 <Bluestreak> Oh Hari!
Aug 07 21:01:18 <HariSeldon> Francis Klein, WI
Aug 07 21:01:21 <kusi> Please state your name, and state you're representing
Aug 07 21:01:25 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero MA rep
Aug 07 21:01:31 <HariSeldon> Ah bluestreak!
Aug 07 21:01:35 <HariSeldon> I forgot - sorry
Aug 07 21:01:38 <HariSeldon> a little busy
Aug 07 21:01:40 <Bluestreak> NP
Aug 07 21:01:49 <Bluestreak> Was doing for you!
Aug 07 21:01:52 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NYPP rep
Aug 07 21:01:54 <kusi> OyajiVyse, Rush
Aug 07 21:01:55 <Bluestreak> NVM we can try again
Aug 07 21:02:01 <kusi> Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY capt
Aug 07 21:02:07 <kusi> Please save other conversations for PM
Aug 07 21:02:11 <Rush> Sorry, I was in the wrong room
Aug 07 21:02:17 <Rush> Bradley Hall, FL
Aug 07 21:03:16 <Bluestreak> Sorry, sir.
Aug 07 21:03:23 <kusi> I see we're missing Caleb yet again.
Aug 07 21:03:34 <HariSeldon> ugh
Aug 07 21:03:48 <HariSeldon> unfortunate
Aug 07 21:03:52 <HariSeldon> quite unfortunate
Aug 07 21:03:57 <HariSeldon> do we have quorum?
Aug 07 21:04:02 <kusi> So, again, no IT report. Bosun has said he's interested in co-chairing or chairing
Aug 07 21:04:09 <kusi> That will be arranged this week.
Aug 07 21:04:24 <kusi> Another point to bring up, really fast
Aug 07 21:04:27 <HariSeldon> he is here with me - although not online
Aug 07 21:04:38 <HariSeldon> so if you need to ask bosun, I can talk for him
Aug 07 21:04:50 <kusi> there are several member-state parties who haven't shown in a while
Aug 07 21:04:59 <kusi> california is the big example
Aug 07 21:05:03 <HariSeldon> indeed
Aug 07 21:05:08 <HariSeldon> do we have quorum?
Aug 07 21:05:11 <kusi> we do
Aug 07 21:05:15 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:05:17 <kusi> Meeting can't be opened without
Aug 07 21:05:17 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:05:21 <HariSeldon> right
Aug 07 21:05:23 <HariSeldon> duh
Aug 07 21:05:24 <kusi> It's fine
Aug 07 21:06:32 <kusi> There is the option of removing the non-attending state parties
Aug 07 21:06:35 <HariSeldon> quick question - do we have anyone from WA here?
Aug 07 21:06:43 <kusi> Jeff talada is in #uspp
Aug 07 21:06:45 <kusi> not in here
Aug 07 21:06:49 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:07:00 <HariSeldon> as to that option - I believe that should not be done
Aug 07 21:07:13 <kusi> Why?
Aug 07 21:07:14 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 21:07:15 <HariSeldon> not before we make at least one contact, i think
Aug 07 21:07:28 <kusi> pI've made several contacts to no response.
Aug 07 21:07:52 <Bluestreak> Sigh
Aug 07 21:07:54 <kusi> and the CAPP social media and websites don't seem to be updated
Aug 07 21:08:03 <HariSeldon> i know - me too, but are we talking about just CAPP or others too?
Aug 07 21:08:23 <kusi> I'm focusing on CAPP right now.
Aug 07 21:08:29 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:08:34 <kusi> I know ORPP is somewhat dead-in-the-water
Aug 07 21:08:35 <HariSeldon> fair enough
Aug 07 21:08:46 <kusi> GAPP, god knows.
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Aug 07 21:09:44 <kusi> So, it may help to remove the parties that have since fizzled
Aug 07 21:10:09 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 21:10:13 <HariSeldon> i suppose
Aug 07 21:11:30 <kusi> it's up to you guys, but I'd recommend it
Aug 07 21:11:53 <kusi> So, onto less depressing things
Aug 07 21:12:01 <HariSeldon> are they on probation?
Aug 07 21:12:05 <HariSeldon> or something like that
Aug 07 21:12:11 <kusi> we need to vote them onto probation
Aug 07 21:12:22 <HariSeldon> what does probation entail
Aug 07 21:13:00 <kusi> probation is detailed in the bylaws
Aug 07 21:13:16 <kusi> the biggest thing is they lose their full-vite and member status
Aug 07 21:13:16 <HariSeldon> ok, if I can't be lazy...
Aug 07 21:13:21 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 21:13:26 <kusi> vote. not vite
Aug 07 21:13:32 <Bluestreak> Do what you have to do, sir.
Aug 07 21:14:03 <kusi> It's up to the reps.
Aug 07 21:14:16 <HariSeldon> I believe that voting them into probation might be the best idea, then making sure they are harrased and asked to come back at every opportunity
Aug 07 21:14:27 <kusi> I've harrassed them, trust me
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Aug 07 21:15:22 <HariSeldon> i understand, but I believe that telling them they are now on probation would have more of an impact
Aug 07 21:15:27 <kusi> it seems that they burnt out/ran out of steam
Aug 07 21:15:31 <kusi> it coul
Aug 07 21:15:33 <kusi> could
Aug 07 21:16:11 <HariSeldon> regardless, we should deal with it in new business
Aug 07 21:16:15 <kusi> yeah
Aug 07 21:16:21 <kusi> onwaaard
Aug 07 21:16:23 <kusi> *Old Business:
Aug 07 21:16:23 <kusi> **Implementation of amendment to bylaws to include "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
Aug 07 21:17:35 <HariSeldon> what sort of implementation information do we need?
Aug 07 21:17:44 <HariSeldon> should we amend the bylaws to include more info?
Aug 07 21:18:03 <kusi> the implementation is the amended bylaw itself
Aug 07 21:19:13 <HariSeldon> so we need to amend the bylaws to include implementation?
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Aug 07 21:21:19 <kusi> yes
Aug 07 21:21:22 <kusi> no
Aug 07 21:21:25 <Bluestreak> Jeff!
Aug 07 21:21:33 <kusi> implementation is the bylaw itself
Aug 07 21:21:41 <QuazarGuy> hey everyone
Aug 07 21:21:42 <kusi> it may have been poor wordign
Aug 07 21:21:49 <QuazarGuy> Jeffrey Talada, WA
Aug 07 21:21:49 <kusi> QuazarGuy, identify for the record please
Aug 07 21:21:51 <kusi> thansk
Aug 07 21:22:33 <kusi> so it just is creating an amendment to the bylaws to include something that covers the committees
Aug 07 21:22:40 <kusi> e "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
Aug 07 21:22:40 <Bluestreak> OK
Aug 07 21:23:37 <QuazarGuy> where are we on the agenda?
Aug 07 21:24:35 <HariSeldon> old business
Aug 07 21:24:54 <kusi> the first *
Aug 07 21:25:08 <QuazarGuy> thanks
Aug 07 21:25:21 <HariSeldon> so what exactly do we need to do? I'm sorry, but I'll admit that I'm still rather confused
Aug 07 21:25:41 <kusi> that's okay
Aug 07 21:26:21 <kusi> last meeting, there was a suggestion to create a new bylaw to stop the lack of information about the committees
Aug 07 21:26:41 <kusi> forcing them to report at each meeting
Aug 07 21:27:03 <kusi> a (repeated) failure to do that could result in the removal of the chair
Aug 07 21:28:15 <HariSeldon> oh im sorry for some reason I had it in my mind that we already made it an amendment
Aug 07 21:28:24 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:29:26 <kusi> not yet
Aug 07 21:30:39 <HariSeldon> ommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC.
Aug 07 21:30:45 <HariSeldon> how about that
Aug 07 21:30:49 <kusi> It's cut off
Aug 07 21:31:23 <HariSeldon> "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:31:54 <HariSeldon> do we need any more detail than that, do you think?
Aug 07 21:32:39 <Bluestreak> I don't
Aug 07 21:32:45 <Bluestreak> think
Aug 07 21:33:20 <kusi> I assume resposible should be responsible
Aug 07 21:33:29 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 21:33:38 <HariSeldon> and I believe there would be another comma
Aug 07 21:33:41 <HariSeldon> resulting in:
Aug 07 21:33:56 <HariSeldon> "Commitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 3 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:34:48 <kusi> It looks good. personally, I would say 2 meetings and be more explicit about the disbanding and reorg
Aug 07 21:35:00 <kusi> disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee
Aug 07 21:35:43 <HariSeldon> Ok
Aug 07 21:36:27 <HariSeldon> rush, blue? What do you think about reorganization and disbanding? what additions should we make?
Aug 07 21:36:46 <Rush> It doesn't affect FLPP. We are our own group.
Aug 07 21:37:11 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:37:27 <Rush> Even if the FLPP missed meetings or whatever, the PNC could NOT remove the chairman.
Aug 07 21:37:45 <kusi> ...
Aug 07 21:37:51 <kusi> Rush, you need to pay attention.
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Aug 07 21:37:58 <Rush> I am
Aug 07 21:38:02 <kusi> We're talking about committees of the PNC.
Aug 07 21:38:09 <HariSeldon> not state members
Aug 07 21:38:13 <HariSeldon> *member states
Aug 07 21:38:16 <Rush> I know, I'm just saying that you can't screw with state parties
Aug 07 21:38:21 <kusi> We couldn't consider that with states.
Aug 07 21:38:43 <Rush> But yes, we need a system to make committees accountable for actually doing thigns
Aug 07 21:39:03 <kusi> which is why that amendment is in play
Aug 07 21:39:07 * kusi gives voice to QuazarGuy
Aug 07 21:39:44 <Bluestreak> No I think y'all have it covered.
Aug 07 21:39:57 <Bluestreak> No additions
Aug 07 21:40:36 <HariSeldon> do we think that the language should be made more specific so that future actions by the pnc are not either more lenient or harsh than we would do?
Aug 07 21:40:56 <kusi> honestly, that is pretty specific
Aug 07 21:41:04 <kusi> it gives 3 actions to do
Aug 07 21:41:19 <HariSeldon> true
Aug 07 21:41:23 <Bluestreak> Iagree
Aug 07 21:41:26 <HariSeldon> i think its fine, i was just making sure
Aug 07 21:41:32 <HariSeldon> that others are ok with it
Aug 07 21:42:46 <HariSeldon> ok...
Aug 07 21:42:48 <kusi> QuazarGuy, Rush, OyajiVyse
Aug 07 21:42:52 <kusi> opinions?
Aug 07 21:42:54 <Rush> What up
Aug 07 21:43:20 <Rush> Fine
Aug 07 21:43:26 <OyajiVyse> looks good to me
Aug 07 21:43:34 <HariSeldon> ok, then
Aug 07 21:44:12 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the addition of the following: "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:44:36 <HariSeldon> should I list a specific section of the bylaws?
Aug 07 21:44:50 <CalebLangeslag> You need to cite where it goes, yes
Aug 07 21:46:06 <kusi> CalebLangeslag, identify for the record
Aug 07 21:46:18 <CalebLangeslag> Caleb Langeslag, Minnesota
Aug 07 21:46:28 <kusi> and yes, HariSeldon you've got to cite the section it'll go to
Aug 07 21:47:00 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, Stating the following: "subcommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:47:41 <kusi> HariSeldon, that's without any of the corrections just made.
Aug 07 21:47:54 <kusi> for example, responsible is still spelt wrong.
Aug 07 21:48:04 <HariSeldon> dangit
Aug 07 21:48:05 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:48:27 <HariSeldon> Here you go: I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the addition of the following: "Commitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 21:48:52 <HariSeldon> noooo
Aug 07 21:48:53 <HariSeldon> wait
Aug 07 21:48:58 <HariSeldon> i suck at this
Aug 07 21:49:11 <Bluestreak> Wait!
Aug 07 21:49:17 <Bluestreak> Something just occured to me
Aug 07 21:49:28 <Bluestreak> Attendance must be fairly ON TIME
Aug 07 21:49:40 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:49:52 <Bluestreak> Well, Caleb is here, but 50 minutes late
Aug 07 21:49:53 <HariSeldon> responsible for reporting their progress
Aug 07 21:49:58 <HariSeldon> ummm
Aug 07 21:49:59 <HariSeldon> so
Aug 07 21:50:02 <HariSeldon> no
Aug 07 21:50:05 <HariSeldon> i disagree
Aug 07 21:50:07 <CalebLangeslag> Would it matter if someone simply submitted a committee report to the chair, in advance, if they're not able to attend?
Aug 07 21:50:15 <HariSeldon> no
Aug 07 21:50:22 <HariSeldon> i think that would constitute a report
Aug 07 21:50:25 <HariSeldon> in my mind
Aug 07 21:50:41 <HariSeldon> we could make it so they either have to be somewhat on time or submit a report early
Aug 07 21:51:05 <kusi> said report must be submitted the day before at the earilest.
Aug 07 21:51:08 <kusi> imo
Aug 07 21:51:19 <kusi> \*before the meeting
Aug 07 21:51:26 <CalebLangeslag> You mean latest?
Aug 07 21:51:29 <kusi> no
Aug 07 21:51:42 <HariSeldon> ?
Aug 07 21:51:44 <kusi> agenda is out max 48 hours before meeting
Aug 07 21:51:53 <kusi> you'll have 24 hours to know if you're making it
Aug 07 21:52:02 <kusi> before writing the report
Aug 07 21:52:35 <kusi> and actually, I need to speak with you and Bosun about the IT chair.
Aug 07 21:52:46 <kusi> that will be done privately.
Aug 07 21:53:23 <HariSeldon> i can have bosun online if you want
Aug 07 21:53:42 <kusi> HariSeldon, after the meeting, if possible.
Aug 07 21:53:49 <HariSeldon> will do
Aug 07 21:53:53 <kusi> Anyway, this is a distraction
Aug 07 21:54:00 <kusi> IT missed their report time.
Aug 07 21:54:06 <kusi> Carry on with the amendment.
Aug 07 21:54:09 <HariSeldon> was there a set report time?
Aug 07 21:54:29 <kusi> It's scheduled before the agenda items
Aug 07 21:55:01 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:55:03 <HariSeldon> i see that
Aug 07 21:55:28 <kusi> There was a motion, do you rescind it?
Aug 07 21:55:30 <HariSeldon> so committee chair must submit report no more than 24 hours before meeting?
Aug 07 21:55:33 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 21:55:39 <HariSeldon> i rescind
Aug 07 21:55:52 <HariSeldon> will move again, pending discussion and possible amendments
Aug 07 21:55:53 <kusi> it's not part of the amendment at present
Aug 07 21:56:09 <HariSeldon> i understand, asking what we want
Aug 07 21:56:23 <HariSeldon> do we want chair to report no more than 24 hrs before meeting?
Aug 07 21:56:33 <HariSeldon> based on which time zone?
Aug 07 21:57:33 <CalebLangeslag> Doesn't matter of timezone, because it starts at a specific time
Aug 07 21:57:34 <kusi> there is no time zone.
Aug 07 21:57:37 <kusi> ^
Aug 07 21:57:55 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 21:58:08 <kusi> Bluestreak, no motion to second
Aug 07 21:58:22 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 21:58:26 <HariSeldon> sorry
Aug 07 21:58:31 <Bluestreak> OK
Aug 07 21:58:54 <kusi> 24h before would be 9pm Eastern on Tuesday
Aug 07 21:59:05 <kusi> 8pm central, 7 Mountain, 6 Pacific
Aug 07 22:00:55 <HariSeldon> so... "subcommitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting within the confines of the agenda, or in a written report to the PNC chair made no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding, reorganization, or removal of the chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:02:14 <Bluestreak> What about their attendance at PNC, does that matter?
Aug 07 22:02:29 <kusi> the chair would have to be in
Aug 07 22:02:39 <kusi> and again, that misspell is there
Aug 07 22:02:59 <kusi> disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee
Aug 07 22:03:12 <HariSeldon> ummm, you know, i think that they should be able to report at any time in the meeting, and i think that they should not be able to report without attending the meeting
Aug 07 22:03:31 <kusi> HariSeldon, the other issue is we're now at a 2 hour time limit
Aug 07 22:03:39 <QuazarGuy> Could there just be a real time report page that people could look at and see exactly where the group is at the moment? I see the PNC as a formality to get everyone on the same page.
Aug 07 22:03:49 <HariSeldon> hmmm
Aug 07 22:04:04 <kusi> we cannot afford the interruptions and distractions
Aug 07 22:04:25 <HariSeldon> kusi, what do you mean
Aug 07 22:04:33 <HariSeldon> i know we have a time limit
Aug 07 22:04:35 <kusi> QuazarGuy, with an update from the committee in the first place, that can be done.
Aug 07 22:04:46 <kusi> tyhe agenda is set for a reason
Aug 07 22:04:56 <HariSeldon> ok
Aug 07 22:05:12 <HariSeldon> but i would like to facilitate a discussion with the committee if need be
Aug 07 22:05:16 <kusi> for example, caleb coming in 50 min late, shouldn't be able to go "K, here's IT nao" when we're doing something else
Aug 07 22:05:24 <HariSeldon> yes,
Aug 07 22:06:34 <HariSeldon> at the same time I would like to have the ability to have a discussion on what the IT committee has done with members thereof at each meeting
Aug 07 22:06:49 <HariSeldon> but i understand the time agenda
Aug 07 22:07:07 <QuazarGuy> I mean realtime as in, the committee keeps it up to date as they work. They should use the PNC to report problems they're running into.
Aug 07 22:07:20 <HariSeldon> that would be useful
Aug 07 22:07:26 <HariSeldon> i think that may be best
Aug 07 22:07:40 <kusi> pnc shoudl be keeping track of progress as well
Aug 07 22:07:48 <kusi> and we've had that model with IT.
Aug 07 22:07:53 <kusi> it has failed.
Aug 07 22:08:00 <QuazarGuy> oh
Aug 07 22:08:54 <HariSeldon> the update thing failed?
Aug 07 22:09:06 <HariSeldon> or do you mean committee with no oversight
Aug 07 22:09:27 <kusi> both
Aug 07 22:09:40 <kusi> IT has a wiki page, barely touched.
Aug 07 22:10:37 <HariSeldon> oh
Aug 07 22:10:40 <kusi> And there's been nothing from them in some time
Aug 07 22:11:01 <kusi> I don't know when the last IT meeting was, and Bosun will be coming onboard as at least co-chair
Aug 07 22:11:22 <HariSeldon> what do you suggest then?
Aug 07 22:11:35 <kusi> Finishing and passing this amendment
Aug 07 22:11:52 <HariSeldon> yes, but in which format?
Aug 07 22:11:54 <kusi> and I'll talk with Bosun and Caleb after meeting to start.
Aug 07 22:12:06 <HariSeldon> requireing what of the committees?
Aug 07 22:14:00 <kusi> Required to report progress at least once every other PNC meeting, within the confines of the stated agenda or in a written report sent out to the PNC Chairperson no more than 24 hours prior to the start of a PNC meeting.
Aug 07 22:14:29 <kusi> Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the committee in question, or removal of the committee chair at the discretion of the PNC
Aug 07 22:15:25 <HariSeldon> "subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:15:26 <Bluestreak> And the report can say "Nothing to report?"
Aug 07 22:15:37 <HariSeldon> yes, i think so
Aug 07 22:15:37 <Bluestreak> And the report can say "Nothing to report?"
Aug 07 22:16:18 <kusi> Bluestreak, if the report says nothign to report for some time, I'd assume the reps would be able to understand that the committee should be disbanded.
Aug 07 22:16:42 <Bluestreak> Just wanted to bring up that possibility
Aug 07 22:16:58 <kusi> for example, if a outreach committee is established(pulling things from the air), and they say nothing to report for a month and a half
Aug 07 22:17:12 <kusi> then they may need to be re-evaluated anyway.
Aug 07 22:17:31 <Bluestreak> Sure
Aug 07 22:18:10 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress, either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting. Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the
Aug 07 22:18:26 <HariSeldon> , at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:19:37 <kusi> there's a lot cut off there
Aug 07 22:20:06 <HariSeldon> ok, let me restate
Aug 07 22:20:18 <HariSeldon> I move to amend the bylaws of the PNC by the creation of Article VII, section 4, stating the following: "Subcommitees of the PNC are responsible for reporting their progress,
Aug 07 22:20:29 <HariSeldon> either at each PNC meeting during the section of the agenda alloted for them, or in a written report to the chair of the PNC no more than 24 hours before the meeting.
Aug 07 22:21:03 <HariSeldon> Failure to report for 2 or more meetings will result in disbanding and/or reorganization of the subcommittee in question, or removal of the subcommittee chair, at the discretion of the PNC."
Aug 07 22:21:24 <kusi> i'll take it.
Aug 07 22:21:48 <Bluestreak> YAY
Aug 07 22:21:52 <kusi> seconds?
Aug 07 22:22:10 <OyajiVyse> second
Aug 07 22:22:17 <kusi> yay
Aug 07 22:22:20 <kusi> one sec, toby
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Aug 07 22:27:58 <HariSeldon> kusi?
Aug 07 22:28:13 <kusi> sorry
Aug 07 22:28:24 <kusi> My son had a cavity filled today, it's bothering him again
Aug 07 22:28:33 <HariSeldon> oh thats ok
Aug 07 22:28:43 <HariSeldon> hope he feels better
Aug 07 22:28:44 <kusi> So, any further discussion on this, or shall we move to a vote
Aug 07 22:28:45 <kusi> thanks
Aug 07 22:28:59 <HariSeldon> nothing further for me
Aug 07 22:29:33 <kusi> Bluestreak, OyajiVyse, Rush, QuazarGuy
Aug 07 22:29:40 <Rush> Yes
Aug 07 22:29:40 <Bluestreak> vote
Aug 07 22:29:45 <OyajiVyse> nothing more from me
Aug 07 22:29:50 <Rush> I'm fine
Aug 07 22:32:07 <Bluestreak> if we are voting: aye
Aug 07 22:32:24 <Rush> aye]
Aug 07 22:32:32 <HariSeldon> are we voting? ... aye
Aug 07 22:33:21 <kusi> vote for passage of the amendment. Aye, nay, abstain
Aug 07 22:33:26 <OyajiVyse> aye
Aug 07 22:33:58 <kusi> I believe 3/4 is required to pass
Aug 07 22:34:47 <kusi> no, 2/3
Aug 07 22:34:58 <kusi> Rush, Bluestreak QuazarGuy HariSeldon
Aug 07 22:35:03 <Rush> Yes
Aug 07 22:35:05 <HariSeldon> aye
Aug 07 22:35:22 <Rush> If you would look, you would see I already voted
Aug 07 22:36:36 <kusi> if you looked, you'd see i didn't call the vote before you said aye
Aug 07 22:36:46 <kusi> making your vote premature and invalid.
Aug 07 22:36:55 <kusi> :D
Aug 07 22:37:34 <Bluestreak> aye?
Aug 07 22:37:47 <kusi> Bluestreak, why the question mark
Aug 07 22:37:58 <Bluestreak> I need to vote again?
Aug 07 22:38:02 <kusi> Yes.
Aug 07 22:38:06 <Bluestreak> aye
Aug 07 22:38:18 <kusi> If you voted before I called it, it's invalid and can't be counted
Aug 07 22:38:34 <kusi> And to the person who PMed me, i am NOT nitpicking
Aug 07 22:38:44 <HariSeldon> its called robert's rules of order
Aug 07 22:38:52 <HariSeldon> we try to run our meetings by it
Aug 07 22:39:04 <kusi> try is operative.
Aug 07 22:39:14 <kusi> one more minute
Aug 07 22:39:16 <kusi> QuazarGuy,
Aug 07 22:39:25 <HariSeldon> if a vote falls in the forest, and the chair is not there to hear, does it count?
Aug 07 22:39:51 <kusi> lol
Aug 07 22:40:23 <Bluestreak> Good one
Aug 07 22:40:27 <HariSeldon> thank you
Aug 07 22:40:42 <Rush> aye
Aug 07 22:41:24 <kusi> Vote called
Aug 07 22:41:33 <kusi> tally 4 aye, 1 abstain
Aug 07 22:41:37 <kusi> horray
Aug 07 22:42:23 <HariSeldon> can we move to New Business now?
Aug 07 22:42:25 <kusi> That the amendment has now passed, the state parties also should ratify it
Aug 07 22:42:31 <kusi> yep
Aug 07 22:43:11 <kusi> So, on Sunday morning I was on Jim Brown's Common Sense
Aug 07 22:43:31 <kusi> It was pretty fun, despite my nerves and Toby deciding to start poking me while talking.
Aug 07 22:43:51 <Bluestreak> Link?
Aug 07 22:43:55 <kusi> I was asked some basic questions about the Pirate Party
Aug 07 22:44:04 <kusi> As far as I've found, it's not online.
Aug 07 22:44:16 <Bluestreak> Sry I was busy with fam, didn't listen
Aug 07 22:44:19 <HariSeldon> sad panda
Aug 07 22:44:57 <Bluestreak> My husband is in NJ all week so he takes up a lot of my attn weekends
Aug 07 22:45:00 <kusi> It happens, he mentioned having me back for an episode on Copyright
Aug 07 22:45:12 <OyajiVyse> fifteen minutes remaining
Aug 07 22:45:15 <Bluestreak> Oh cool.
Aug 07 22:45:24 <kusi> (which was a topic we did touch, but how much can you talk about in 5 minutes?)
Aug 07 22:45:32 <Bluestreak> Send notice to SAB and I will set an alarm to listen to that one
Aug 07 22:45:45 <Bluestreak> Does it have to be on agenda?
Aug 07 22:46:52 <kusi> no
Aug 07 22:47:01 <kusi> I will, if/when it happens
Aug 07 22:47:06 <kusi> I will be in contact with him
Aug 07 22:47:12 * t51n has quit (Quit: Web client closed)
Aug 07 22:48:11 <kusi> actually
Aug 07 22:48:13 <kusi> http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/jimBrownCommonSense/archives.php
Aug 07 22:48:26 <kusi> click on that, go to archives, and hit the second hour
Aug 07 22:48:37 <kusi> i was nervous, so forgive the squeaky voice
Aug 07 22:48:50 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 22:49:00 <HariSeldon> i had a radio interview earlier in the summer
Aug 07 22:49:05 <HariSeldon> but cant find it online
Aug 07 22:49:16 <HariSeldon> had same sort of nervous voice, though
Aug 07 22:49:22 <Bluestreak> OK thanks
Aug 07 22:49:26 <kusi> No prob
Aug 07 22:49:34 <kusi> Okay, moving onward
Aug 07 22:49:39 <HariSeldon> indeed
Aug 07 22:49:41 <kusi> any oher business for tonight?
Aug 07 22:49:44 <Bluestreak> I have so much information on the need for universal HSISP I was thinking
Aug 07 22:49:53 <Bluestreak> about writing a series of posts
Aug 07 22:49:58 <Bluestreak> for the USPP blog
Aug 07 22:50:13 <HariSeldon> oooh
Aug 07 22:50:15 <OyajiVyse> ten minutes remaining
Aug 07 22:50:16 <HariSeldon> that would be cool
Aug 07 22:50:22 <HariSeldon> thank you ten
Aug 07 22:50:27 <Bluestreak> There is this kid in the MAPP who studies the digital divide
Aug 07 22:50:28 <kusi> that's doable
Aug 07 22:50:40 <Bluestreak> he gave me many resources to review, but just last night
Aug 07 22:51:02 <Bluestreak> I worked on it this weekend. I only just decided to make it a series
Aug 07 22:51:25 <Bluestreak> That way i can have an intro posted this week or early next week
Aug 07 22:51:35 <kusi> let me know when the first few are available
Aug 07 22:51:38 <Bluestreak> Because the more I write the more I find
Aug 07 22:51:38 <kusi> or ready
Aug 07 22:51:49 <Bluestreak> The first will be an intro
Aug 07 22:52:02 <Bluestreak> Got the idea from Swarmwise aktly
Aug 07 22:52:21 <Bluestreak> Post some write some post some more
Aug 07 22:52:35 * kusi nods
Aug 07 22:52:47 <Bluestreak> That's all.
Aug 07 22:52:55 <HariSeldon> i have some writing for my candidacy - It's either already on our webpage, www.wipp.coop, or going on tonight
Aug 07 22:52:57 <Bluestreak> Evrything else Ive been working on is state lvl
Aug 07 22:53:06 <Bluestreak> Oh good!
Aug 07 22:53:13 <HariSeldon> would be happy to reformat for uspp
Aug 07 22:53:14 <Bluestreak> We need to pump up the blog
Aug 07 22:53:16 <HariSeldon> if you want
Aug 07 22:53:19 <HariSeldon> yeah
Aug 07 22:53:21 <HariSeldon> i agree
Aug 07 22:53:35 <kusi> we do
Aug 07 22:53:40 <HariSeldon> and im on vacation, so i have time to write stuff too!
Aug 07 22:53:43 <HariSeldon> :D
Aug 07 22:53:52 <HariSeldon> sort of vacation
Aug 07 22:54:13 <Bluestreak> Well I dont have time, but I need to get this done. It's buggin me
Aug 07 22:54:22 <kusi> I know that feeling. uuugh
Aug 07 22:54:52 <HariSeldon> mhmm
Aug 07 22:55:14 <kusi> is there anything else?
Aug 07 22:55:28 <HariSeldon> i would like the status of those member states who have not been active lately to be on the agenda for next time
Aug 07 22:56:22 <kusi> I'll contact
Aug 07 22:56:31 <Bluestreak> And I would like to ask people to watch for an SAB email about trying to schedule another Hang Out test
Aug 07 22:56:44 <kusi> yeah, that's something else
Aug 07 22:56:48 <kusi> guys, use the SAB
Aug 07 22:56:49 <HariSeldon> yes
Aug 07 22:56:50 <kusi> seriously
Aug 07 22:57:06 <kusi> HariSeldon, annouce everything you're doing with your campaign through that too
Aug 07 22:57:07 <Bluestreak> Well yes but since everyone is here
Aug 07 22:57:13 <HariSeldon> oh ok
Aug 07 22:57:13 <Bluestreak> I wanted to remind them to CHECK
Aug 07 22:57:14 <HariSeldon> sure
Aug 07 22:57:18 <kusi> for when we're not all here
Aug 07 22:57:22 <kusi> use sab
Aug 07 22:57:26 <Bluestreak> because I got crickets this week
Aug 07 22:57:31 <Bluestreak> yes sir
Aug 07 22:57:46 <kusi> anything more in the 3 minutes?
Aug 07 22:58:01 <Bluestreak> Two guys walk into a bar...
Aug 07 22:58:20 <Bluestreak> which is funny because you think the 2nd guy would have seen it and ducked
Aug 07 22:58:35 <kusi> lol
Aug 07 22:58:46 <kusi> adjourn?
Aug 07 22:58:51 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Aug 07 22:58:57 <kusi> i can't make a motion XD
Aug 07 22:59:05 <Bluestreak> I move to adjorn
Aug 07 22:59:12 <HariSeldon> second
Aug 07 22:59:15 <Rush> second
Aug 07 22:59:16 <Rush> third
Aug 07 22:59:23 <HariSeldon> lol
Aug 07 22:59:23 <Bluestreak> meep
Aug 07 22:59:43 <OyajiVyse> all in favor?
Aug 07 22:59:46 <HariSeldon> aye
Aug 07 22:59:48 <OyajiVyse> aye
Aug 07 22:59:53 <Bluestreak> aye
Aug 07 23:00:26 Roderick Rush
Aug 07 23:00:32 <OyajiVyse> QuazarGuy, Rush
Aug 07 23:00:33 <Rush> aye
Aug 07 23:01:06 <kusi> motion passed, meeting adjourned
Aug 07 23:01:08 <OyajiVyse> vote called, 4 ayes, 1 abstain
Aug 07 23:01:09 <kusi> have a good one
Aug 07 23:01:12 <kusi> see you next week
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===January===
===February===
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===April===
*[[PNC 4/25/12|4/25/12]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
*[[PNC 5/16/12|5/16/12]]
*[[PNC 5/23/12|5/23/12]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/6/12|6/6/12]]
*[[PNC 6/13/12|6/13/12]]
*[[PNC 6/20/12|6/20/12]]
*[[PNC 6/27/12|6/27/12]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/1/12|8/1/12]]
*[[PNC 8/8/12|8/8/12]]
*[[PNC 8/15/12|8/15/12]]
*[[PNC 8/22/12|8/22/12]]
*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
*[[PNC 9/12/12|9/12/12]]
*[[PNC 9/19/12|9/19/12]]
*[[PNC 9/26/12|9/26/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|'
===October===
*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
*[[PNC 10/10/12|10/10/12]]
*[[PNC 10/17/12|10/17/12]]
*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
|}
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===January===
*[[PNC 1/9/13|1/9/13]]
*[[PNC 1/23/13|1/23/13]]
===February===
*[[PNC 2/6/13|2/6/13]]
===March===
*[[PNC 3/6/13|3/6/13]]
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===April===
*[[PNC 4/3/13|4/3/13]]
*[[PNC 4/10/13|4/10/13]]
*[[PNC 4/24/13|4/24/13]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/8/13|5/8/13]]
*[[PNC 5/22/13|5/22/13]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/12/13|6/12/13]]
*[[PNC 6/19/13|6/19/13]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/3/13|7/3/13]]
*[[PNC 7/24/13|7/24/13]]
*[[PNC 7/31/13|7/31/13]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/7/13|8/7/13]]
*[[PNC 8/14/13|8/14/13]]
*[[PNC 8/21/13|8/21/13]]
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===January===
===February===
===March===
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===April===
*[[PNC 4/25/12|4/25/12]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
*[[PNC 5/16/12|5/16/12]]
*[[PNC 5/23/12|5/23/12]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/6/12|6/6/12]]
*[[PNC 6/13/12|6/13/12]]
*[[PNC 6/20/12|6/20/12]]
*[[PNC 6/27/12|6/27/12]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/1/12|8/1/12]]
*[[PNC 8/8/12|8/8/12]]
*[[PNC 8/15/12|8/15/12]]
*[[PNC 8/22/12|8/22/12]]
*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
*[[PNC 9/12/12|9/12/12]]
*[[PNC 9/19/12|9/19/12]]
*[[PNC 9/26/12|9/26/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|'
===October===
*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
*[[PNC 10/10/12|10/10/12]]
*[[PNC 10/17/12|10/17/12]]
*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
|}
{{PNC NAV}}
==2013==
{| style="width:100%;"
|-
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
*[[PNC 1/9/13|1/9/13]]
*[[PNC 1/23/13|1/23/13]]
===February===
*[[PNC 2/6/13|2/6/13]]
===March===
*[[PNC 3/6/13|3/6/13]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/3/13|4/3/13]]
*[[PNC 4/10/13|4/10/13]]
*[[PNC 4/24/13|4/24/13]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/8/13|5/8/13]]
*[[PNC 5/22/13|5/22/13]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/12/13|6/12/13]]
*[[PNC 6/19/13|6/19/13]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/3/13|7/3/13]]
*[[PNC 7/24/13|7/24/13]]
*[[PNC 7/31/13|7/31/13]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/7/13|8/7/13]]
*''8/14/13 (No Meeting)''
*[[PNC 8/21/13|8/21/13]]
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|}
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USPP Home/Party Updates

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''August 14th''
*''No Meeting''
''August 7th''
*[[PNC 8/7/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
'''''Minutes before this point were lost during a move to a new host. Sorry for the inconvenience.'''''
 
''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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USPP Home/Party Updates

2013-08-19T15:06:00Z

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[{{fullurl:USPP_Home/Party Updates|action=edit}} Edit] this section
''August 7th''
*[[PNC 8/7/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
'''''Minutes before this point were lost during a move to a new host. Sorry for the inconvenience.'''''
 
''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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Meeting Minutes

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==2012==
{| style="width:100%;"
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| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
===February===
===March===
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/25/12|4/25/12]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
*[[PNC 5/16/12|5/16/12]]
*[[PNC 5/23/12|5/23/12]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/6/12|6/6/12]]
*[[PNC 6/13/12|6/13/12]]
*[[PNC 6/20/12|6/20/12]]
*[[PNC 6/27/12|6/27/12]]
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===July===
*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/1/12|8/1/12]]
*[[PNC 8/8/12|8/8/12]]
*[[PNC 8/15/12|8/15/12]]
*[[PNC 8/22/12|8/22/12]]
*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
*[[PNC 9/12/12|9/12/12]]
*[[PNC 9/19/12|9/19/12]]
*[[PNC 9/26/12|9/26/12]]
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===October===
*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
*[[PNC 10/10/12|10/10/12]]
*[[PNC 10/17/12|10/17/12]]
*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
|}
{{PNC NAV}}
==2013==
{| style="width:100%;"
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| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
*[[PNC 1/9/13|1/9/13]]
*[[PNC 1/23/13|1/23/13]]
===February===
*[[PNC 2/6/13|2/6/13]]
===March===
*[[PNC 3/6/13|3/6/13]]
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===April===
*[[PNC 4/3/13|4/3/13]]
*[[PNC 4/10/13|4/10/13]]
*[[PNC 4/24/13|4/24/13]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/8/13|5/8/13]]
*[[PNC 5/22/13|5/22/13]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/12/13|6/12/13]]
*[[PNC 6/19/13|6/19/13]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/3/13|7/3/13]]
*[[PNC 7/24/13|7/24/13]]
*[[PNC 7/31/13|7/31/13]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/7/13|8/7/13]]
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[[Category:Pirate National Committee]]

PNC 7/31/13

2013-08-01T03:20:26Z

OyajiVyse:

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
::'''--- 07/31/2013 21:00h EDT ---'''
::IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
::Room: #pnc
::Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_7/31/13

==Minutes==
*IT committee unavailable for report
**Any willing volunteers for IT committee, please notify officers ASAP

*Website suggestions/additions:
**Adding a link to the webchat client on USPP page
**Weekly blog
**Pull in content from other blogs/sites
**Set up a state feed exchange
**Have a metaplatform site

*Possibly retry having a virtual convention

*Motion to amend the bylaws to include "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair."
**Motion passed 4-0
**Implementation to be worked on next meeting

*Discussion of platform policies and committee postponed to next meeting

=== 1 - ATTENDEES ===
==== 1.1 - Members of the PNC ====
*Attending
**Daniel Gorski - NY
**Lucia Fiero - MA
**Bradley Hall - FL
**Joseph Klein - WI

*Excused
**N/A

*Unexcused
**CA
**GA
**OR
**WA

*Probation
**N/A
==== 1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC ====
*Benjamen Lyon - MD
*Nick Desalvio - MD

==== 1.3 - Officers of the PNC ====
*Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
*Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster

==== 1.4 - Other Attendess ====

=== 2 - PROCEEDINGS ===
*Meeting called to order at: 9:50 pm EDT
*Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
*Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
*Quorum is established: 4 out of 8 Members present
*Logging Enabled: Yes

=== 3 - Review of previous minutes ===
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_7/24/13

=== 4 - REPORTS ===

==== 4.1 - Short Report From Committees ====
=====IT Committee=====
*Chair is not present, no report available

=== 5 - Agenda Items ===

*IT Committee report
*Possible content to add to website and suggestions for any changes
*Discussion of Committees formed/to be formed and responsibilities thereof, including amendment to PNC Bylaws to make committees responsible for reports every meeting
*Continued discussion of party platform, including whether a committee should be formed to handle platform proposals/amendments

=== - AOB - ===
*N/A

*Next meeting: 2013-8-7 at 9:00 PM EDT
*Meeting closed: 11:02 PM EDT

=== - Logs of the Meeting - ===
<pre>
Jul 31 21:51:27 <kusi> 9:50, meeting is opened
Jul 31 21:51:37 <kusi> please identify yourself by name and state you are representing, if any
Jul 31 21:51:46 <kusi> Lindsay-Anne brunner, capt.
Jul 31 21:51:54 <OyajiVyse> Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NYPP rep
Jul 31 21:52:01 <Bosun> Joseph T. Klein Wisconsin
Jul 31 21:52:12 <kusi> Please remember we are closing this meeting by 11 PM Eastern time, and any unfinished business rolls to the nexrt agenda.
Jul 31 21:52:24 <Rush> Bradley Hall, Florida
Jul 31 21:52:42 <missle59> Benjamin Lyon, Maryland observer
Jul 31 21:52:50 <kusi> Bluestreak,
Jul 31 21:53:07 <Bluestreak> Lucia Fiero, MA rep
Jul 31 21:53:22 <kusi> Awesome. First up is the IT report.
Jul 31 21:53:28 <kusi> However, the IT chair isn't here.
Jul 31 21:54:07 <kusi> So, that will need to be skipped.. again.
Jul 31 21:54:34 <kusi> honestly.. we need someone new to chair it.
Jul 31 21:55:40 <kusi> I don't know when the last It meeting was, so if anyone knows anyone inclined toward IT and would be willing to volunteer, let the officers know.
Jul 31 21:56:46 <kusi> next point
Jul 31 21:56:56 <kusi> Possible content to add to website and suggestions for any changes
Jul 31 21:57:06 <kusi> Are there any suggestions for the site?
Jul 31 21:57:34 <Bluestreak> yes
Jul 31 21:57:56 <Bluestreak> on the mapp page is a link to the webchat
Jul 31 21:58:07 <Bluestreak> or our wqeekly irc
Jul 31 21:58:25 <Bluestreak> yall need one on USpp for pnc
Jul 31 21:58:35 <Bosun> That woud be nice.
Jul 31 21:58:43 <Bluestreak> It encourages attendance
Jul 31 21:58:45 <Bluestreak> IMO
Jul 31 21:58:51 <kusi> that's def doable
Jul 31 21:58:56 <kusi> we have one that leads to the main channel
Jul 31 21:59:00 <kusi> so, we could do that
Jul 31 21:59:08 <Bluestreak> Take a look at MAPP
Jul 31 21:59:18 <Bluestreak> The link and instructions are on the left
Jul 31 21:59:43 <Bluestreak> I always search my gmail for "pnc" to find the link
Jul 31 21:59:53 <Bluestreak> to come here
Jul 31 22:00:10 <Bluestreak> So yeah
Jul 31 22:00:17 <kusi> That's a great suggestion.
Jul 31 22:00:22 <kusi> Any others?
Jul 31 22:01:41 <kusi> If not suggestions to improve the site, any ideas for content/
Jul 31 22:02:49 <OyajiVyse> post links/articles that we find relevant?
Jul 31 22:03:14 <OyajiVyse> and have a committee for that?
Jul 31 22:03:15 <kusi> that's what Rush and I do for social media
Jul 31 22:03:26 <kusi> and imo I don't think that's fully appropriate
Jul 31 22:03:54 <Rush> Aye
Jul 31 22:04:32 * itspara (~nick@s-85-726-668-82.hsd2.md.comcast.net) has joined #pnc
Jul 31 22:04:33 <kusi> I had an idea that was kind of lame -- a weekly blog called "Captain's Log" about the week's news and politics with a Pirate perspective
Jul 31 22:04:45 <Bluestreak> Why not?
Jul 31 22:04:46 <Rush> Our problem is we're just two people who have lives and other things we have to do through each day. We can't do nothing but scour the web for news for pirates
Jul 31 22:05:03 <Bluestreak> 90% of our blog posts in MA are written by the captian
Jul 31 22:05:06 <kusi> which is why scheduling the posts is an option too
Jul 31 22:05:18 <kusi> I pay for hootsuite for that one reason
Jul 31 22:06:26 <kusi> and again, for state meetings, if you want me to promote them via USPP channels, please send me a reminder
Jul 31 22:06:49 <itspara> Nick Desalvio, Maryland
Jul 31 22:07:20 <itspara> Im going to chime in and mention that both twitter and facebook do support scheduling posts now.
Jul 31 22:07:43 <itspara> Not sure about G+
Jul 31 22:07:56 <kusi> itspara, hoot can schedule for all
Jul 31 22:08:03 <itspara> I know.
Jul 31 22:09:08 <kusi> So until all 3 can do that, and there's a third party app I can do it from, hoot it is
Jul 31 22:09:09 <kusi> lol
Jul 31 22:09:20 <kusi> itspara, any suggestions for the website?
Jul 31 22:09:40 <itspara> context? or ust in general?
Jul 31 22:10:10 <kusi> in general, improvements, content
Jul 31 22:10:47 <itspara> Umm, we should encourage people to write. Maybe set up stuff to easily crowdsource (user writes, submits, then a moderator approves) Perhaps pull stuff syndicated in from other
Jul 31 22:10:53 <itspara> blogs/websites.
Jul 31 22:11:17 <Bosun> We could set up a feed exchange between state sites.
Jul 31 22:11:26 <Bluestreak> Yes mostly we need content
Jul 31 22:11:38 <itspara> Yes, especially pull up content from state sites.
Jul 31 22:11:44 <kusi> Bosun, that would be a great idea
Jul 31 22:12:49 <Bluestreak> When someone on the state level gets their content picked up
Jul 31 22:12:53 <Bluestreak> it will give them a lift
Jul 31 22:13:12 <Bluestreak> "OOH LOOK! My post made it to national!"
Jul 31 22:13:27 <Bluestreak> Just a thought
Jul 31 22:13:58 <kusi> yeah
Jul 31 22:14:42 <missle59> i dont know how much progress has been done on this topic, but what about about a page to explain our stances on different issues?
Jul 31 22:15:06 <kusi> missle59, some of the issues we're divided on
Jul 31 22:15:15 <kusi> but the core issues
Jul 31 22:15:18 <itspara> maybe a metaplatform site, explaining our stances as defined by the constitution and state/candidate platforms
Jul 31 22:15:18 <kusi> yes
Jul 31 22:15:40 <itspara> and it would go over it all. including explaining divisions.
Jul 31 22:15:54 <itspara> I think somebody has suggested something similar in the past
Jul 31 22:16:48 <kusi> that would be quite the project
Jul 31 22:17:08 <itspara> true
Jul 31 22:18:59 <kusi> it would take time, if there are volunteers willing. I'll ask about it via USPPSocMed
Jul 31 22:20:13 <kusi> Any other suggestions?
Jul 31 22:21:45 <kusi> 1 minute more, if no further suggestions, we're moving on
Jul 31 22:23:12 <kusi> okay
Jul 31 22:23:12 <kusi> so
Jul 31 22:23:21 <kusi> Discussion of Committees formed/to be formed and responsibilities thereof, including amendment to PNC Bylaws to make committees responsible for reports every meeting
Jul 31 22:23:39 <kusi> in other words: more people are required to do more tasks
Jul 31 22:23:50 <Bosun> O joy.
Jul 31 22:24:52 <kusi> It's a good thing
Jul 31 22:25:06 <kusi> more activity = more members at state level
Jul 31 22:25:15 <kusi> more want to get involved
Jul 31 22:25:20 <kusi> positive feedback loop
Jul 31 22:25:30 <Bosun> How about retry a virtual convention for next year before mid-terms.
Jul 31 22:25:33 <OyajiVyse> of positivity
Jul 31 22:25:42 <kusi> we could try it
Jul 31 22:26:51 <kusi> that would depend on who the capt is then
Jul 31 22:27:01 <kusi> start panning for that after the pnc election
Jul 31 22:27:26 <kusi> I could use help with PR stuff
Jul 31 22:27:32 <Bosun> Please don't elect Francis/
Jul 31 22:27:37 <kusi> LOL
Jul 31 22:27:46 <kusi> I think it's early yet for noms
Jul 31 22:29:43 <Rush> If nominated I will not run, if elected, I will not serve
Jul 31 22:29:52 <OyajiVyse> so what about the amendment?
Jul 31 22:31:00 <kusi> that's on the reps
Jul 31 22:31:11 <kusi> I think hariseldon had one in mind.
Jul 31 22:31:20 <Bosun> is it moved or on the floor?
Jul 31 22:31:25 <kusi> compel the committees to report at the meetings
Jul 31 22:31:27 <kusi> neither
Jul 31 22:31:57 <itspara> noms
Jul 31 22:32:00 <itspara> :P
Jul 31 22:33:27 <kusi> lol
Jul 31 22:33:30 <kusi> Bosun, neither
Jul 31 22:33:38 <kusi> mostly because one hasn't been suggested
Jul 31 22:37:28 <OyajiVyse> Jul 24 22:50:03 <HariSeldon> i move that we amend the bylaws of the PNC at the July 31st meeting to adopt a reporting requirement for committees to the PNC with wording to be determined
Jul 31 22:37:43 <Bosun> second
Jul 31 22:38:20 <Bosun> Oh ? I need to move then.
Jul 31 22:38:59 <kusi> no
Jul 31 22:39:23 <Bosun> :-(
Jul 31 22:39:26 <kusi> that motion wasn't valid
Jul 31 22:39:27 <kusi> sorry
Jul 31 22:39:30 <kusi> PM
Jul 31 22:39:31 <kusi> lol
Jul 31 22:40:13 <OyajiVyse> right, it was put on this week's agenda to be formally put forth, correct?
Jul 31 22:40:18 <kusi> yes
Jul 31 22:42:10 <OyajiVyse> the basic gist of it being that we amend the bylaws to state that all committees current and future be responsible to report at PNC meetings
Jul 31 22:42:13 * passstab (~coplon@xx.pirate) has joined #pnc
Jul 31 22:42:23 <kusi> Bosun, I know it was Francis who put it forth, but are you able to?
Jul 31 22:42:55 <Bosun> I so move (does that work?)
Jul 31 22:43:19 <kusi> no, it doesn't.
Jul 31 22:43:56 <kusi> It has to be specific
Jul 31 22:45:40 <kusi> 15 min warning till meeting close
Jul 31 22:46:10 <Bosun> ?? I move that commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in te discollution or reorganizing of the commitee.
Jul 31 22:46:29 <Bosun> Yes learn to type
Jul 31 22:47:04 <Bosun> ? disbaning or reorganization of the offending commitee.
Jul 31 22:47:17 <Bosun> banding ..
Jul 31 22:47:52 <kusi> You should be moving to amend the bylaws to include such a provision
Jul 31 22:50:10 <Bosun> I move to ament the bylaws to include the "Commitees of the PNC are resposible for reporting their progress at each PNC meeting. Failure to do so may result in disbanding or reorganization or removal of the chair.
Jul 31 22:50:18 <Bosun> amend.
Jul 31 22:50:25 <Bosun> I need sleep.
Jul 31 22:50:28 <kusi> we all do
Jul 31 22:50:33 <kusi> 10 min to meeting close
Jul 31 22:50:45 <kusi> I'll accept it
Jul 31 22:50:47 <OyajiVyse> second
Jul 31 22:50:53 <kusi> Awesome
Jul 31 22:50:59 <Bluestreak> I'm quiet because I am fairly sick
Jul 31 22:51:02 <OyajiVyse> all in favor?
Jul 31 22:51:07 <Bluestreak> aye
Jul 31 22:51:10 <kusi> all in favor?
Jul 31 22:51:13 <Bosun> eye
Jul 31 22:51:18 * kusi slaps OyajiVyse
Jul 31 22:51:37 <OyajiVyse> aye
Jul 31 22:51:38 <Bluestreak> I'm very much in favor of slapping
Jul 31 22:51:39 <kusi> OyajiVyse, Rush
Jul 31 22:52:05 <kusi> Bluestreak, haha
Jul 31 22:52:13 <Rush> what
Jul 31 22:52:26 <Rush> Aye
Jul 31 22:52:54 <OyajiVyse> unanimous, the ayes have it 4-0
Jul 31 22:53:00 <Bosun> Cool
Jul 31 22:53:23 <kusi> yep
Jul 31 22:53:34 <Bosun> Since time is short ? I would like to announce somthing.
Jul 31 22:53:49 <kusi> Sure
Jul 31 22:54:07 <kusi> Bosun, before that, I assume you want to work on the amendement next meeting, due to time, right?
Jul 31 22:54:16 <Bosun> The annual meeting of governors is in Milwaukee Friday-Sunday
Jul 31 22:54:59 <Bosun> Francis (our Governor candidate) will speak at the counter demenstration.
Jul 31 22:55:13 <Bosun> On Sunday.
Jul 31 22:55:49 <Bosun> That is all.
Jul 31 22:56:06 <kusi> awesome
Jul 31 22:56:25 <Bosun> ? and we will polish up the amendment for next meeting.
Jul 31 22:56:30 <kusi> Awesome
Jul 31 22:56:54 <kusi> That brings us to the platform, do we want a committee for that/
Jul 31 22:57:28 <Bosun> I volunteer Francis ? since he is not here
Jul 31 22:57:33 <itspara> it will need to have representation for all the states
Jul 31 22:57:38 <itspara> if we do create one
Jul 31 22:58:32 <kusi> Bosun, loll
Jul 31 22:58:36 <kusi> itspara, agreed.
Jul 31 22:58:46 <kusi> It's getting close, I'll push that to next week
Jul 31 22:58:50 <kusi> OyajiVyse, take note
Jul 31 22:59:01 <Bosun> Francs s writting a platform and a series of position papers. I will twist his arm to share them on the PNC lists.
Jul 31 22:59:14 <kusi> That would be great
Jul 31 22:59:18 <Bluestreak> Please do
Jul 31 22:59:21 <OyajiVyse> kusi, duly noted
Jul 31 22:59:43 <kusi> Any othe business to cover for tonight?
Jul 31 22:59:50 <OyajiVyse> in the last minute
Jul 31 23:00:02 <kusi> other than PLEASE BE ON TIME NEXT WEEK. please!!
Jul 31 23:00:04 <Bosun> zzz move we adjourn
Jul 31 23:00:11 <kusi> seconds?
Jul 31 23:00:14 <Bluestreak> I'm always on time!
Jul 31 23:00:18 <Bluestreak> 2nd
Jul 31 23:00:42 <kusi> and that's why your my favorite
Jul 31 23:00:48 <kusi> vote to adjourn
Jul 31 23:00:53 <OyajiVyse> aye
Jul 31 23:00:55 <Bluestreak> LOL you're just saying that!
Jul 31 23:00:57 <Bosun> eye
Jul 31 23:00:58 <Bluestreak> aye
Jul 31 23:01:35 <itspara> ayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Jul 31 23:01:48 <kusi> waiting for Rush
Jul 31 23:01:55 <kusi> Surprised he didn't jump on this.
Jul 31 23:01:56 <Bluestreak> Going to sleep now. (Already in bed.)
Jul 31 23:02:06 <kusi> Anyway, time's up
Jul 31 23:02:10 <kusi> have a good week
Jul 31 23:02:13 <Bluestreak> Goodnight.
Jul 31 23:02:14 <OyajiVyse> 3 aye, 1 abstain
Jul 31 23:02:15 <kusi> You'll hear me sunday AM
Jul 31 23:02:22 <Bluestreak> Post about it
Jul 31 23:02:24 <OyajiVyse> see you all next week
</pre>

Pirate National Committee (PNC)

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OyajiVyse:

{{USPP NAV}}
The Pirate National Committee is an assembly of representatives from each recognized state Pirate Party.

==PNC Membership==
===Member States (Primary Representative, Secondary Representative)===
*California (Orion Steele, Max Bugrov)
*Florida (Bradley Hall)
*Georgia (Jarod Smith)
*Massachusetts (Lucia Fiero)
*New York (Daniel Gorski)
*Oregon (Kyle DeVore)
*Washington (Jeff Talada, Brady Dibble)
*Wisconsin (Joseph T. Klein, Megan Cochran, Francis Klein)

===Probationary States===
*None

===Observer States===
*[http://marylandpirates.com/ Maryland]
*Michigan
*Missouri

==Officers==
:'''Captain''': Lindsay-Anne Brunner
::'''Phone''':
::'''Email''':
:'''First Mate''': Caleb Langeslag
::'''Phone''':
::'''Email''':
:'''Quartermaster''': Daniel Gorski
::'''Phone''':
::'''Email''':

==Documents==
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Constitution|Constitution]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Policies|Policies]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Minutes|Meeting Minutes and Recordings]]
*[[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/State Report | State Report]]

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USPP Home/Party Updates

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''July 31st''
*[[PNC 7/31/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
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''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
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''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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PNC 7/31/13

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Meeting Minutes

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==2012==
{| style="width:100%;"
|-
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===January===
===February===
===March===
| style="width:25%; vertical-align:top;"|
===April===
*[[PNC 4/25/12|4/25/12]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/2/12|5/2/12]]
*[[PNC 5/9/12|5/9/12]]
*[[PNC 5/16/12|5/16/12]]
*[[PNC 5/23/12|5/23/12]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/6/12|6/6/12]]
*[[PNC 6/13/12|6/13/12]]
*[[PNC 6/20/12|6/20/12]]
*[[PNC 6/27/12|6/27/12]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/11/12|7/11/12]]
*[[PNC 7/18/12|7/18/12]]
*[[PNC 7/25/12|7/25/12]]
===August===
*[[PNC 8/1/12|8/1/12]]
*[[PNC 8/8/12|8/8/12]]
*[[PNC 8/15/12|8/15/12]]
*[[PNC 8/22/12|8/22/12]]
*[[PNC 8/29/12|8/29/12]]
===September===
*[[PNC 9/5/12|9/5/12]]
*[[PNC 9/12/12|9/12/12]]
*[[PNC 9/19/12|9/19/12]]
*[[PNC 9/26/12|9/26/12]]
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===October===
*[[PNC 10/3/12|10/3/12]]
*[[PNC 10/10/12|10/10/12]]
*[[PNC 10/17/12|10/17/12]]
*[[PNC 10/24/12|10/24/12]]
===November===
*[[PNC 11/7/12|11/7/12]]
*[[PNC 11/14/12|11/14/12]]
*[[PNC 11/21/12|11/21/12]]
*[[PNC 11/28/12|11/28/12]]
===December===
*[[PNC 12/26/12|12/26/12]]
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==2013==
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===January===
*[[PNC 1/9/13|1/9/13]]
*[[PNC 1/23/13|1/23/13]]
===February===
*[[PNC 2/6/13|2/6/13]]
===March===
*[[PNC 3/6/13|3/6/13]]
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===April===
*[[PNC 4/3/13|4/3/13]]
*[[PNC 4/10/13|4/10/13]]
*[[PNC 4/24/13|4/24/13]]
===May===
*[[PNC 5/8/13|5/8/13]]
*[[PNC 5/22/13|5/22/13]]
===June===
*[[PNC 6/12/13|6/12/13]]
*[[PNC 6/19/13|6/19/13]]
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===July===
*[[PNC 7/3/13|7/3/13]]
*[[PNC 7/24/13|7/24/13]]
*[[PNC 7/31/13|7/31/13]]
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USPP Home/Party Updates

2013-08-01T02:01:38Z

OyajiVyse:

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''July 24th''
*[[PNC 7/24/13| PNC Meeting]]
''July 3rd''
*[[PNC 7/3/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 19th''
*[[PNC 6/19/13| PNC Meeting]]
''June 12th''
*[[PNC 6/12/13| PNC Meeting]]
''May 22nd''
*[[PNC 5/22/13| PNC Meeting]]
''March 6th''
*[[PNC 3/6/13| PNC Meeting]]
''February 6th''
*[[PNC 2/6/13 | PNC Meeting]]
''January 23th''
*[[PNC 1/23/13| No Meeting]]
''January 9th''
*[[PNC 1/9/13 | No Meeting]]
''December 26th''
*[[PNC 12/26/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 21th''
*[[PNC 11/21/12 | No Meeting]]
''November 17th''
*[http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13b4t9/my_name_is_lindsayanne_brunner_and_im_the_captain/ Reddit AMA]
''November 14th''
*[[PNC 11/14/12|PNC Elections]]
''November 7th''
*[[PNC 11/7/12|PNC officer debate]]
''October 24th''
*[[PNC 10/24/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 17th''
*[[PNC 10/17/12|PNC Meeting]]
''October 10th''
*[[PNC 10/10/12|PNC Meeting]]
**PNC [[Pirate National Committee (PNC)/Bylaws|Bylaws]] adopted
''October 3th
*[[PNC 10/3/12|PNC Meeting cancelled this week]]
''September 26th''
*[[PNC 9/26/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 19th''
*[[PNC 9/19/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 12th''
*[[PNC 9/12/12|PNC Meeting]]
''September 5th''
*[[PNC 9/5/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 29th''
*[[PNC 8/29/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 22nd''
*[[PNC 8/22/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 15th''
*[[PNC 8/15/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 8st''
*[[PNC 8/8/12|PNC Meeting]]
''August 1st''
*[[PNC 8/1/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 25th''
*[[PNC 7/25/12|PNC Meeting]]
**''PNC [[Constitution]] was adopted''
''July 18th''
*[[PNC 7/18/12|PNC Meeting]]
''July 11th''
*[[PNC 7/11/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 28th 2012''
*PNC Constitution Due - Help out [[Policy|here]].
**Due date extended to July 26th
''June 27th''
*[[PNC 6/27/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 20th''
*[[PNC 6/20/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 13th''
*[[PNC 6/13/12|PNC Meeting]]
''June 6th''
*[[PNC 6/6/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 23rd''
*[[PNC 5/23/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 16th''
*[[PNC 5/16/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 9th''
*[[PNC 5/9/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 2st''
*[[PNC 5/2/12|PNC Meeting]]
''May 1st''
*IRC Meeting
''April 25th''
*[[PNC 4/25/12|PNC meeting]]
 
'''''Minutes before this point were lost during a move to a new host. Sorry for the inconvenience.'''''
 
''January 22nd''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be released to the public
''January 17th''
*IRC Meeting
''January 1st''
*[[No Safe Harbor: Essays about Pirate Politics|USPP Book]] will be finalized and published
''December 20th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 13th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 6th''
*IRC Meeting
''December 1st''
*[[USPP Unnamed book foreword|Foreword]] edits for the USPP book due
''November 29th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 22nd''
*IRC Meeting
''November 15th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 8th''
*IRC Meeting
''November 5th''
*All essay entries due for the [[USPP Unnamed Book|Pirate Party Book]]

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